Did Any of the Authors of the Gospels Know Jesus?

[oldbadger]

I find I must disagree with your view as I believe that the historical and archeological evidence indicates that Greek was the common language of the time, being used throughout the Roman empire, just as English is used at present throughout the world.

Wrong, and then wrong again.
Do you believe that the working people of Galilee could speak more than one language? Really?
And do you really believe that English is used throughout the World at present? Next door to us here, the French working people speak French, the Dutch working people speak Dutch and the Belgiam working people speak Flemish (and some French).
Please don't believe for one moment that Galilean peasants spoke anything but Aramaic.

"Today, however, new archaeological discoveries have undermined the speculations of scholars and brought into clear light the fact that Greek was well known among the Jews, especially the priesthood, leadership class, and the merchant class.

Good....... fine. Now you just have to figure out what the common people, the peasants.... were speaking.

In particular, Greek was well understood in "Galilee of the Gentiles," the region where Jesus Christ of Nazareth was raised, and grew up as a young lad. There is no doubt, therefore, that Jesus and the original apostles all spoke Greek -- commonly, as a "second language."

.....no doubt?
Greek was well understood by the quisling semi-Jewish leader class, the priesthood and the Hellenist upper class, but the working people did not speak Greek..... not all of them would have spoken Hebrew, is my guess.

Why do you think that so many Aramaic words had to be translated for the Greek Gospel readers if they were not being used in everyday speech?

 

[Alceste]

Joke. Loosen up.

(But of course it really is irrefutable until someone refutes it.)

Sounds to me like it has been refuted, by a large majority of academics who specialize in establishing whether there is any overlap between myth and history.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Really, Alceste, have you never thought carefully about what it means to discern the truth in matters of ancient history?

So you - and not the cowardly/opportunist scholars - are the one who will show humanity how to "discern the truth [sic!] in matters of ancient history". What a pathetic joke!

 

[outhouse]

I find I must disagree with your view as I believe that the historical and archeological evidence indicates that Greek was the common language of the time, being used throughout the Roman empire, just as English is used at present throughout the world.
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You don't have to like it.

But your link is not from a credible source and amounts to personal opinion.

No where is the reality of the situation


Language, race and appearance[edit]

See also: Aramaic of Jesus and Race and appearance of Jesus




Historical Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The perception of the race of Jesus has been influenced by cultural settings.[135][136] A Chinese illustration, Beijing, 1879
Jesus grew up in Galilee and much of his ministry took place there.[137] The language spoken in Galilee and Judea during the 1st century amongst the common people was most frequently the Semitic Aramaic tongue. The Hebrew language was spoken by those educated in the scriptures and Greek was spoken by the upper class. Aramaic was the predominant language.[87][88] Most scholars agree that during the early part of 1st century Aramaic was the mother tongue of virtually all women in Galilee and Judea.[91] Most scholars support the theory that Jesus spoke Aramaic and that he may have also spoken Hebrew and perhaps had some fluency in Greek


So we do not know.

What we do know is he was probably lower class, and we have no clue if he went to or ever worked in Sepphoris. He very well may have, and if so, he woul dhave been exposed to Koine Greek. If he did not, he probably would have only known Aramaic.

We cant even guess on how much Greek he might have known.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

So you - and not the cowardly/opportunist scholars - are the one who will show humanity how to "discern the truth [sic!] in matters of ancient history". What a pathetic joke!

You're a hoot, man. I love you special.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Sounds to me like it has been refuted, by a large majority of academics who specialize in establishing whether there is any overlap between myth and history.

Nope. Never happened. In fact, they all fall aside when I walk into a forum swinging my, um... big gun.

I've double-dogged dared 'em. No takers so far.

 

[Quagmire]

I wish lying were a rule violation.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

… or juvenile bravado.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

… or juvenile bravado.

Or smug third-partying by those without the courage to engage the debate.

 

[Quagmire]

Or smug third-partying by those without the courage to engage the debate.

Wow! A confession!

Props man. :yes:

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

A confession!

Alas, I doubt it. Most are oblivious to sin when it lives within. They rarely confess.

But I'll keep my ears open.

 

[Quagmire]

Alas, I doubt it. Most are oblivious to sin when it lives within. They rarely confess.

But I'll keep my ears open.

That would be a nice change. :yes:

 

[steeltoes]

Sounds to me like it has been refuted, by a large majority of academics who specialize in establishing whether there is any overlap between myth and history.

This isn't science, this is a debate over the interpretation of religious texts, big difference.

 

[steeltoes]

I've been considering why I like the HJ debate so much and have concluded that this is the reason. It's hard to find so much hysteria, irrationality and vicious attack from otherwise rational debaters on any other subject. It intrigues me.

It's a mystery to me, I don't get it.

 

[Alceste]

This isn't science, this is a debate over the interpretation of religious texts, big difference.

Scripture is not the only evidence that Jesus existed.

 

[steeltoes]

Scripture is not the only evidence that Jesus existed.

Scritpure is evidence that Jesus existed? How so? And what else is there, Josephus, Tacitus?

If Jesus existed that's fine, but what makes believers so sure that Jesus existed? He may have, he may not have, I don't know, but what I would like to know is what makes people so sure that he did.

 

[Quagmire]

Hey guys? As anybody who participates in these threads knows by now we have a cpl of slow-motion trolls in the forums who have teamed up to do a third rate comedy act aimed at derailing every thread even vaguely related to this topic.

Until I can figure out some way to take care of this situation once and for all, could you guys do your part and not feed them?

 

[Lyndale]

Then will 1 side only debate themselves?

~what will they gain doing that?

 

[Quagmire]

Then will 1 side only debate themselves?

~what will they gain doing that?

You have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[Lyndale]

~pardon