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Did God Create This ???

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Sententia

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Got a better explanation ???

Of course. Your asking an atheist if he has a better explanation then "God did it". I think Bouncing Ball gave you a very good explanation but there is something else I find odd about this line of reasoning...

Einstein said:
The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.

Have you lost your curiousity? Have you decided you know the answer and the answer is god did it? You don't seem to seek for yourself the answers or ideas of others but rather just assert that there could be no other explanation than god did. Clearly there are many other explanations for the things you are bringing up but I am not sure why you don't look for them. You do seem to be posting these for some reason. I am guessing you are doing so to get the opinions of others.

Bertrand Russell said:
I think we ought always to entertain our opinions with some measure of doubt. I shouldn't wish people dogmatically to believe any philosophy, not even mine.

What if I give you an answer? My expectation is not that you just accept my answer. I would hope that if this is very meaningful to you... that is currently the evolutionary advantage of some fish, that you would seek out the answers and not just take my explanations or anyones elses as absolute truth. You are claiming you don't have to though because you already know god did it and you are a servant of god and this planet is X years old and you know all this and do not need to verify anything.

Mohandas Karamchand (Mahatma) Gandhi said:
Man often becomes what he believes himself to be. If I keep on saying to myself that I cannot do a certain thing, it is possible that I may end by really becoming incapable of doing it. On the contrary, if I have the belief that I can do it, I shall surely acquire the capacity to do it even if I may not have it at the beginning.

I would hope you strive to believe that you can find the most likely answer to everything that is important to you.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
The lines on a zebra are there to confuse predators. It masks the amount of zebra's and it's harder for a lion to see the difference between one or 2 zebra's.
Stripes on this zebra didn't seem to confuse or detract these lions from killing this zebra.

A horrible camoufloge, and not very advantagous to evolutionary preservation. Horses had a better chance at surviving evolution (which I don't believe in), than these zebras. It seems by this reasoning that zebras would have died out long ago or never have evolved in the first place, since they have no survival advantages, simply because they don't blend in with their environment. Stripes would no more confuse me, more than these lions, if I were chasing a group of convicts dressed in stripes. Convicts were dressed in stripes so they could quickly and easily be spotted and captured if they escaped. A group of them dressed the same way would not confuse, only make them more visable and very easy to catch at least ONE of them if traveling in a group.

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Zebra Kill

These fish had about as much chance to survive evolution as that zebra.

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And now you got fish with stripes..
I posted the black and white striped fish, hoping someone would bring this up.

Besides, some of your fish there are pretty well hidden...
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Doesn't look that way to me, looks more like a beautiful backdrop that accentuates the beauty of the fish, like a fine work of art or painting.

God is the ultimate artist, using the world as his canvas.

Living art.
 
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rojse

RF Addict
As I have said before, FFH, if the stripes were detrimental to the survival of the fish as an individual or a popuilation, they would not have been able to survive for any length of time, whether it be several thousand years or several million years.
 

Sententia

Well-Known Member
Stripes on this zebra didn't seem to confuse or detract these lions from killing this zebra.

Wikipedia said:
The stripes are typically vertical on the head, neck, forequarters, and main body, with horizontal stripes at the rear and on the legs of the animal. The "zebra crossing" is named after the zebra's black and white stripes.
Some zoologists believe that the stripes act as a camouflage mechanism. This is accomplished in several ways. First, the vertical striping helps the zebra hide in grass. While seeming absurd at first glance considering that grass is neither white nor black, it is supposed to be effective against the zebra's main predator, the lion, which is color blind. Theoretically a zebra standing still in tall grass may not be noticed at all by a lion. Additionally, since zebras are herd animals, the stripes may help to confuse predators - a number of zebras standing or moving close together may appear as one large animal, making it more difficult for the lion to pick out any single zebra to attack.[4] A herd of zebras scattering to avoid a predator will also represent to that predator a confused mass of vertical stripes travelling in multiple directions making it difficult for the predator to track an individual visually as it separates from its herdmates, although biologists have never observed lions appearing confused by zebra stripes.
Stripes are also believed to play a role in sexual attractions, with slight variations of the pattern allowing the animals to distinguish between individuals.
A more recent theory, supported by experiment, posits that the disruptive colouration is also an effective means of confusing the visual system of the blood-sucking tsetse fly.[5] Alternative theories include that the stripes coincide with fat patterning beneath the skin, serving as a thermoregulatory mechanism for the zebra, and that wounds sustained disrupt the striping pattern to clearly indicate the fitness of the animal to potential mates.



It would seem there are a few theories. Yours is god did it. Thats your theory for quite a bit though.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Point one: The striped fish travel in large schools
Point two: a fish's eyesight isn't likely as developed as a humans and therefore don't probably see as well and with as much clarity.
Making this:
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very confusing to hunt from.

Stripes do serve a purpose. Not as much to camoflage with the background as to each other. Making the whole appear larger and as perhaps one entity. It makes it more difficult to pick one out and off.

Same goes for zebras as well since they run as a herd too.


It is how they survive. The weaker ones who cannot keep up with the herd are the ones that get picked off, thus also serving the purpose of eliminating them from the gene pool and not passing on the weaker traits. Thus...ta daaa...natural selection.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
That's all well and good Draka and BalanceFX, and I understand that stripes help keep herds of zebra and pools of fish strong when the weak ones get picked off, but the same thing happens in herds a buffalo, horses, etc.

Also snakes don't always hang around in groups, yet they have stripes.

I realize there is a certain survival aspect of thse varied patterns in all animals, but it's not completely necessary for the survial of the species altogether, otherwise all snakes would have stirpes and different patterns.

There is some element and evidence of this just being pure art, designed by the one who created all things.

We credit everything to millions of years of evolution, rather than looking at the beauty that this snake could not have created on it's sking by itself, just by thinking, hey, I need to camouflage myself.

Can we as humans change one aspect of our bodies ??? Then how could a snake change any aspect of his skin, given all the time in the world to do so. The thought is ridiculous.

Human skin color can change according to the climate and sunlight it's exposed to, but to change our skin into a work of art like these snakes just isn't gonna happen, and it won't happen by any snake thinking to him or herself, hey I think I'm gonna start creating a pattern on my skin, just a little bit at a time. I'll pass doen a little bit here, then instruct my posterity to do the same until we have a definite patter in a million years. This is just how I see evolutionists in their thinking and reasoning withing themselves.

There is no explanation other than GOD DID IT.

I do recognize there are certain adaptations to environment that go on WITHIN SPECIES, but no more no less. One species cannot evolve into another one. A horse will always be a horse, and has been throughout this earth's short life span.

Matt. 6: 27
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

Luke 12: 25
And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?

3 Ne. 13: 27
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
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FFH

Veteran Member
Did God create this pattern to help this snake survive, or is this a product of millions of years of evolution.

Can any living thing create art on itself, given any given amount of time ??? The thought is simply mind boggling that anyone could believe such a theory.

This pattern is too precise, complex and varied for it to have "evolved" over any given amount of time. There is a divine designer behind it, it didn't just happen, just because the snake decided I need to camoufloge myself, so I'll start by adding one small change now, then my posterity will add one more little change and so on and so on. Besides if it took millions of years to evolve into this pattern, in order to survuve, he would have long since died out if it was that necessary for his survival.

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