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Did God Create This ???

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FFH

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Bar Rafaeli (untouched photo)
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Bar Rafaeli (untouched photo)
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Bar Rafaeli (untouched photo)
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Bar Rafaeli (younger untoched raw photo)
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Bar Rafaeli (touched up photo)
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FFH

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YES, I want to know what scripture says that Christ created this good looking lady - I would say.
Ephesians 3: 9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
 
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Sententia

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So that wasn't the greatest example, I should've posted something like this untouched photo of Bar Rafaeli (Israeli model) for my opening post.

Bar Rafaeli (Rembember Christ created this, he's not some sort of prude) and he's also created ugliness for his divine purposes, which is to "bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man".

Did the book of mormons say anything about skin color? Did the bible say anything about shellfish?

Does this girl look good and is she pure of heart? Do her actions and what she does appeal more to you or her looks?

Does she look more like her dad or her mom? They created her. Not god. If her mom didn't take care of herself while this model was growing then what would this model look like? Does mom deserve any credit? Did she wear braces? Did she have stylist? What if a fat ugly girl were pictured would you still be commanding me to answer if god created this? What it that fat and ugly girl was a prophet of god?

How many times has the BoM undergone edits? What does leviticus say about slaves? How many innocent children does god kill in genesis and leviticus? Why did David's son have to be sick for 7 days before he finally died because of god's power?

How do pictures of women, critters and other easily explainable creatures that evolution has given us prove a god exists? Why do you think there must be a creator?

If you had been born in Pakistan or Iran what religion would you be?
 

Berachiah Ben Yisrael

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Ephesians 3: 9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

You have misunderstood what was written as many have. It states that Elohim created all things and it uses the word "by" Yahshua the annointed which means that by the knowledge of the future that there will be a messiah which is Yahshua Ha Mashiach then they made all things. What all will be given over to Yahshua when his enemies are made his footstool? This is why they were made so that the word of Yah would be fulfilled. If we look at it with the Strongs numbers we will see that.........

Eph 3:9 AndG2532 to make all men seeG5461 G3956 whatG5101 is theG3588 fellowshipG2842 of theG3588 mystery,G3466 which fromG575 theG3588 beginning of the worldG165 hath been hidG613 inG1722 God,G2316 who createdG2936 all thingsG3956 byG1223 JesusG2424 Christ:G5547

And the word "by" id noted as "G1223 which is...............

διά

dia

dee-ah'

A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal or occasional). In composition it retains the same general import: - after, always, among, at, to avoid, because of (that), briefly, by, for (cause) . . . fore, from, in, by occasion of, of, by reason of, for sake, that, thereby, therefore, X though, through (-out), to, wherefore, with (-in). In composition it retains the same general import.

-and as Thayer has it-

διά

dia

Thayer Definition:

1) through
1a) of place
1a1) with
1a2) in
1b) of time
1b1) throughout
1b2) during
1c) of means
1c1) by
1c2) by the means of
2) through
2a) the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
2a1) by reason of
2a2) on account of
2a3) because of for this reason
2a4) therefore
2a5) on this account
Part of Speech: preposition
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act
Citing in TDNT: 2:65, 149

I think it is safe to say that this word is not meant to mean that Yahshua made anything but rather it was made because of him. ;)
 

FFH

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You tell me if this is a touched up photo or not.

I've seen a male demon (fallen spirit) and a female angel (exalted human spirit) and they both had perfect faces like this. We will all have perfect bodies and faces in the next life, which is a free gift to all, both wicked and righteous, because Christ overcame death on the cross. Overcoming sin and the affects of sin is only a free gift if we repent.

Bar Rafaeli (untouched younger photo) To me this is a perfectly designed face and evidence of God's infinite creative powers.
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FFH

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Bar Rafaeli (more recent photo taken December 9, 2008)
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Sententia

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You tell me if this is a touched up photo or not.

Bar Rafaeli (untouched photo) To me this is a perfectly designed face and evidence of God's infinite creative powers.

I've seen a male demon and a female angel human spirit and they both had perfect faces like this. We will all have perfect faces and bodies in the next life, which is a free gift to all, both wicked and righteous, because Christ overcame death on the cross. Overcoming sin and the affects of sin is only a free gift if we repent.

So all it takes is a beutiful face? Beutiful based on whose perspective and why?

In the next life we will all be beutiful? Is beuty not in the eye of the beholder then? We are all supermodels in the afterlife?

*sigh*

One interpretation I heard today is that the bible says do not judge men or women to be evil or good.

Book in Hotel Room Drawer said:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

But Man can not help themselves. They go on to eat that fruit and proceed to judge and declare people evil or good. The interpretation goes on to include many things I have wondered about. God kills a baby by making it sick for 7 days. Isn't god evil now? Shouldn't we judge him? God On trial, a movie I posted recently puts god on trial. Why? Is the ultimate moral point of the bible not to judge people or things you don't understand? Interesting.

Anyways... keep posting pictures of barely dressed young girls and declaring god made them.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
:shrug: All I know is I keep seeing pictures of this one girl now and the only thought that comes to my mind is that she looks rather average to me. There's not anything remarkably striking about her really. I see plenty of girls that look pretty much like her at the grocery store for goodness sake.
 

FFH

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Yisrael,

The scriptures need no interpretation, Ephesians 3:9 clearly states that all things were created by Jesus Christ. He's no one to mess with.

LDS scripture...

3 Nephi 9: 15
Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. bI am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.
 

FFH

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:shrug: All I know is I keep seeing pictures of this one girl now and the only thought that comes to my mind is that she looks rather average to me. There's not anything remarkably striking about her really. I see plenty of girls that look pretty much like her at the grocery store for goodness sake.
We are all "fearfully and wonderfully made".

Psalms 139: 14
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
 

FFH

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In the next life we will all be beutiful? .
Maybe perfect is a better word.

I also need to add that those who spend time in hell will experience something much different, unspeakable horrors in body and in spirit, but will eventually come forth in the "second resurrection" to obtain perfect bodies, a free gift to all men and women, regardless of their beliefs, a free gift from Christ, because of his sacrifice on our behalf.
 

Sententia

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Maybe perfect is a better word.

I also need to add that those who spend time in hell will experience something much different, unspeakable horrors in body and in spirit.

Lol. Did you just imply that an atheist should be scared of hell? ;)

Your a funny man today. :clap
 

FFH

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Did the book of mormons say anything about skin color?
Was used to readily identify a certain group of people, in the Book of Mormon, because of their differing beliefs.

Did the bible say anything about shellfish?
Christ fulfilled the law of Moses, all things have "become clean unto us". In other words we are free to eat shellfish, but not free from the bad health affects of eating crab or too much crab. Better not to eat shellfish, if you want optimum health, I don't touch it and have perfect health and haven't been to a doctor since I lived at home over 20 years ago and I don't have health insurance, don't need it.


Does this girl look good and is she pure of heart? Do her actions and what she does appeal more to you or her looks?
Christ created her, we are all of infinite worth to Christ, who created us, for his divine purposes, both the righteous and the evil, the beautiful and ugly, etc.

Does she look more like her dad or her mom? They created her. Not god.
Having sex takes no intelligence. It's obsurd to say that we have created ourselves, just because our parents had sex or that our parents created us, when all they did was have an orgasm.

If her mom didn't take care of herself while this model was growing then what would this model look like? Does mom deserve any credit? Did she wear braces? Did she have stylist? What if a fat ugly girl were pictured would you still be commanding me to answer if god created this? What it that fat and ugly girl was a prophet of god?
There are many ugly saints and prophetess'. Whether they are ugly or beautiful means nothing to God, only to men.

"Men look on the outward appearance, God looks upon the heart". ~I Samuel 16:7~

How many times has the BoM undergone edits?
Many times...

I have a copy of the original, and it's not any different than the current version, the chapters and verses were broken down, and that's about it. I can write down a few verses and show you the comparison, the changes were very insignificant.

What does leviticus say about slaves?
Look it up yourself
How many innocent children does god kill in genesis and leviticus?
All children under the age of 8 go directly to the highest kingdom of God. "..to die is gain" for those who are in Christ. "Little children are alive in Christ." God is not a cruel God, but rather a JUST God, showing mercy to those who will repent of their sins. Little children need no mercy, for they are innocent until the age of 8, not knowing good from evil.

Why did David's son have to be sick for 7 days before he finally died because of god's power?
Does anyone know the mind of God. There is a definite reason for all things that happen on this earth, we will find out all the mysteries of God in the next life, if we are faithful and repent of our sins.

How do pictures of women, critters and other easily explainable creatures that evolution has given us prove a god exists?
All things have been designed by an infinite loving Creator. So the trillions of cells in our body just happened multiplied by themselves in such an orderly fashion as to create our complex bodies ???? Which answer makes more sense when you really look at our complex digestive, nervous and vasculatory systems ????

Why do you think there must be a creator?
Because of the varied plant, animal and human life we see and the fact that our earth, moon, stars, sun and all the planets in our universe and in the many infinite universes "hang upon nothing".

'All things denote there is a God" I'm tired of pulling up scripture references so that will have to suffice.

If you had been born in Pakistan or Iran what religion would you be?
Yes, I would have searched out the truth found in the LDS faith, even among ourselves there is truth not easily found by all in our faith.
 
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FFH

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Do you think Jesus looked liked her? Is she what perfect looks like?

:p

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Isaiah tells us that "there was no beauty that we should desire him". In other words he was not what we would expect the creator of the universe to look like, our Messiah, our Redeemer.

See Isaiah 53 and Mosiah 14

He has a perfect resurrected body now.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Lol. Did you just imply that an atheist should be scared of hell? ;)

Your a funny man today. :clap
The refining fires can serve to cleanse us of all unrighteousness and make us better people.

I've experience hell, to some degree, in my body, it's pretty intense. My body and mind felt like it was on fire from deep within, mostly it seemed to be centered in my mind though, and it lasted for quite a while, with little or no sleep, yet it sort of had a cleansing affect, and it seemed to clear my head of all negative thoughts, and caused a greater determination to "endure to the end" to avoid the "pains of hell" in the future. If I didn't change the path I was on at that time I knew I would experience much more of that. It gave me a greater resolve and strength to endure all the junk this world has to offer.

Many Christians will spend time in hell, no one is immune to the laws of God, if broken.

"Man looks upon the outward appearances, God looks upon the heart".
 
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darkendless

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So then why don't humans have different colors of skin, like green or orange, or have stripes and spots on our skin, to better camouflage ourselves from predators, like lions and bears. :D

Because we didnt need to, snakes on the other hand did. We can use our hands to forage and hunt, we do not require stealth like a snake which has no hands
 

FFH

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Will you spend time in hell?
It's definitely a possibility that I think about. We all deserve hell, according to the scriptures found in the Bible. I pray that God will be merciful to me a sinner. I've racked up many sins in my life which would be enough to send me to hell.

Do we really know the mind of God, do we really know ourselves and how we stand before God. I pray I will escape hell, but I still have some things I need to work on before Christ comes. Sometimes I feel ready, sometimes I don't. I struggle with sin just as much as the next personn.
 
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FFH

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BalanceFX said:
What it that fat and ugly girl was a prophet of god?
One of my favorite Saints/Prophetess' of God is Bernadette of Lourdes. To me she is the most beautiful girl in the world. I hope to meet her some day.

She looks really cool here (I'm French, and so is my wife, so I'm parial to French Saints) Bernadette Soubirous - Wiki
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I watched a movie about Saint Theresa of Lisieux, France the other day that had me in tears at the end of the movie

The movie is called "Therese" and is available on Netflix Online Movie Rentals - Rent DVDs, Classic Films to DVD New Releases

This is a picture of Saint Therese of Lisieux, France (Mother Theresa named herself after her) Theresa of Lisieux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Three Saints of Fatima, Portugal Our Lady of Fátima - Wiki
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