Did God Create This ???

[Berachiah Ben Yisrael]

That's another thing I was wondering.

Ben....would you not be the least bit grateful for being alive after the fact? So, in your opinion, the doctor messed up BIG time...but how do you know that wasn't god's will for all of that to fall into place like it did? You'd be alive for a reason. Suing the doctor would seem to be slapping god in the face.

The Doctor would only mess up big time if he made the conscience choice to ignore my wishes as required by law through my living will and power of attorney. Otherwise, if he did things without the knowledge of such things then he would then not be considered liable. I don’t know that I would say I would be grateful but at least I wouldn’t at that point harbor any resentment. As far as slapping Yah is of no use being he is the one who has showed me that he considers blood transfusions abominations. Though slapping the doctor with a law suit for presumpteously performing a blood transfusion against my wishes is of great use to me.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I am not saying that I didn’t make a choice. I am saying that I didn’t have to choose between the two options you allowed. I decided to choose neither. Therefore there are more than the two choices. There are three and I chose 3.

What are the three? I count two:

- consider blood transfusions acceptable
- consider blood transfusions unacceptable

That is fine. I don’t live by your conscience. You go ahead and get all bent out of shape about what I do when it doesn’t effect you and yours, and I and mine will continue to live in peace with the knowledge that we are living to the best of our ability in pleasing Yah.

Are you actually criticizing me for having compassion? Because that's how you're coming across.

And that is all just your opinion and what you yourself think and feel. You have no more proof about what you have said than you will accept from me. I do believe that we can strive to be as perfect as we are allowed to be by Yah. It is possible to be perfect enough…………

Luk 1:6 They were both righteous before Elohim, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and ordinances of YAH.

This shows me that there are those who can be good enough in their walk to be considered blameless in the eyes of Yah. What I do is not to be viewed as blameless before you or any other man but to Yah. I truly believe that I am doing the very best that I can through my beliefs as to his true word. You may disagree but then again why should I care about what you accept or not? You are not the one that I will have to answer to. Yah is. I am very much at peace with this. You don’t have to be.

I assume that you don't venture outside in the summer while "walking blamelessly", do you? After all, you could not suffer the abomination of being bitten by a mosquito, deer tick, black fly or other blood-sucking insect that would pass the blood of some other person or animal into you, could you?

Well then there’s the difference. I don’t grapple with what I have accepted to be true. I am at peace knowing for myself that I am doing the best at pleasing my Father and Creator by obeying his true and living word. To me that is all that matters. Your thoughts and feelings on this subject, at least to me, don’t.

It's not about me; it's about asking yourself "what if I'm wrong?" And if your answer to that is "well, I can't be wrong", then I would say that you're trying to elevate yourself to the status of God. Can your worldview simply not handle the possibility that not accepting a blood transfusion might actually displease God rather than please Him? If you do consider life to be a precious gift from God, then it's not something to be squandered, is it?

Look... this isn't just a matter of the choice between Coke and Pepsi; you're playing with people's lives here.

O.k. I am o.k. with that. Whatever gave you the impression that what means something to you was something that would be of interest to me?

I know, right? Its such a blessing to know that I don’t follow after the crowd in their misconceptions and lies.

It might help if you don’t assume that I necessarily care about what others think.

Hmm. Let's try again:

- usually, when people communicate, it's to get the recipient to understand some sort of meaning or message.
- your meaning and/or message is getting obscured by the fact that you're using terms in a way that isn't known to me and likely not known to other people reading what you write.
- unless you're just writing to hear the sound of your own voice (metaphorically), it's a fair assumption that if your intended meaning is not being received by the people you're communicating to, you'd want to know.

You've repeated over and over again that you don't care about what other people think. We all understood that several pages ago. However, you keep writing. I assume it's for some purpose. Are you just doing finger exercises with your posts, or are you trying to make your thoughts and opinions known to others?

You understand it as a general statement that Yahshua made but I disagree. What else is new?

Not much, apparently. You seem to have made a habit out of ignoring the direct, literal meaning of Biblical statements and performing logical cartwheels to shoehorn them into what you want them to say.

Remember that for a testament to be effective the death of a testator must have already occurred so even if what you say as far as the dietary laws being done away with, which they where not, it wouldn’t have occurred until after he died.

I'm not familiar with this rule. If you want me to accept it, you'll have to back it up with something.

Of course, I can already anticipate your response: you just don't care what I think, right? It's very convenient.

 

[painted wolf]

Poly-Cotton blend is the work of the Devil!
How dare people grow two crops in the same field!

wa:do

 

[stacey bo bacey]

Suing for damages is the way things are done today in this society. Back in the day one that might have done such a thing might be stoned to death. Money would not reverse the abominable act but it is more of a punishment for damages rendered. Going against my legal wishes can be acted upon for damages.

Ha!! Suuuure, suuure. And what would you then use that money for?

And no, you don't HAVE to sue. You enjoy not going with the crowd so why are you now falling on "it's the way things are done today in this society." Hmmm? You could...!!!! forgive them. Wow, quite a notion, isn't it? You're alive and, as you said, not an abomination in god's eyes because it wasn't your choice so--no harm done. Yet you'd still wanna sue their pants off...like I said, you'd be suing for pure revenge.

No, I don't think I would feel like an abomination only because one that has had this occur, and didn't commit the act, is free from any wrongdoing and therefore still considered righteous. The act is the only thing that is looked at here. Now there are certain laws pertaining to those that are unclean not entering the Temple but at this point and time this is not an issue.

You know seeing these things the way most do is like saying its o.k. to smoke because there is no law that says you can't and there are those that say it really doesn't hurt you and although there isn't a a law in Torah against it there is something that states that we should not do things to ourselves that is bad or harmful. You later find that you have contracted lung cancer because of your smoking and want to blame everyone and the neighbors cat for what has befallen you showing the world that you refuse to take the responsibility of your own actions and decisions.

Hey I look forward to my lung cancer in 50 years, thank you very much. And I know I will have no one to blame but myself. I think smoking is a bad analogy...I haven't ever heard of anyone who blames it on anyone but themselves when they get cancer.

 

[Berachiah Ben Yisrael]

What are the three? I count two:
- consider blood transfusions acceptable
- consider blood transfusions unacceptable

Oh well on this issue my choice is that for me they are unacceptable as to my beliefs.

As far as the A, B and B = 8 thingy I choose third option of not choosing at all which you already was a choice in and of itself.

Are you actually criticizing me for having compassion? Because that's how you're coming across.

You having compassion isn’t the problem but your compassion is being driven by what you believe which differs with what I believe which leaves your compassion worthless to me.

I assume that you don't venture outside in the summer while "walking blamelessly", do you? After all, you could not suffer the abomination of being bitten by a mosquito, deer tick, black fly or other blood-sucking insect that would pass the blood of some other person or animal into you, could you?

This is not an abomination where I can find in Torah. Remember it is the conscience act of doing, or allowing, the act that is an abomination. You have no control over bug’s. Nor are the bugs under the same Torah as those who accept and live by it.

It's not about me; it's about asking yourself "what if I'm wrong?" And if your answer to that is "well, I can't be wrong", then I would say that you're trying to elevate yourself to the status of God. Can your worldview simply not handle the possibility that not accepting a blood transfusion might actually displease God rather than please Him? If you do consider life to be a precious gift from God, then it's not something to be squandered, is it?

It has to be about you. You are the one that has continued to post replies with question after question as to what I believe. How is it about me? I’m happy and are at peace with my beliefs.

As far as being wrong, I don’t believe what Yah has allowed me to understand is wrong and therefore cannot admit to even the possibility of being wrong. Blood of another belongs to that other and is not meant to be passed on to another. That is my belief and that’s it. You can sit back and try to legitimize all of what you said by whatever deductions you claim but it doesn’t change my belief in what I know to be true.

As far as squandering life, I don’t believe Yah cares anything about flesh but our obedience to his will. If we squander our lives by disobedience then we loose our right to the goal of eternal life. It’s not about this life.

Look... this isn't just a matter of the choice between Coke and Pepsi; you're playing with people's lives here.

I’m playing with no one’s lives. I am abiding to the true word of Yah. If he decides that its time to take a life because of whatever and it is directly related to the lack of getting a blood transfusion even the act of doing or allowing of such Yah considers an abomination then hey, its just my time to visit hell.

Hmm. Let's try again:
- usually, when people communicate, it's to get the recipient to understand some sort of meaning or message.

Yes. I don’t have a problem with this. You have asked questions and I have answered them as to the ability afforded me by Yah with the understanding that he has allowed. This doesn’t mean that I care as to what you think about my answers though.

- your meaning and/or message is getting obscured by the fact that you're using terms in a way that isn't known to me and likely not known to other people reading what you write.

Then maybe you, and others, should study these meanings and or what you’ve called my message to make yourselves more educated on such so that you can better carry on a conversation with me.

- unless you're just writing to hear the sound of your own voice (metaphorically), it's a fair assumption that if your intended meaning is not being received by the people you're communicating to, you'd want to know.

In most cases this might be correct but in this situation I find it better now to make you work for what your asking then rather give a free ride.

You've repeated over and over again that you don't care about what other people think. We all understood that several pages ago. However, you keep writing. I assume it's for some purpose. Are you just doing finger exercises with your posts, or are you trying to make your thoughts and opinions known to others?

If I am asked a question then I usually try to answer but this in no way means that I might actually care how the person I answered takes it. Just like with you. I do not care whether you accept what I tell you as being truth or false. You either accept it or you don’t. There is no debate here. Your feelings and understanding of what I say does not mean anything to me. You just asked questions pertaining to my belief and I have done my utmost best in trying to answer you as honestly and as respectfully as I can.

Not much, apparently. You seem to have made a habit out of ignoring the direct, literal meaning of Biblical statements and performing logical cartwheels to shoehorn them into what you want them to say.

Funny thing is I feel the same way about what you have posted here as well. I see you using the true word of Yah deceitfully. Whether you are actually believing the things you have posted or not

I'm not familiar with this rule. If you want me to accept it, you'll have to back it up with something.
Of course, I can already anticipate your response: you just don't care what I think, right? It's very convenient.

Now there’s something we can agree on. I don’t care if you accept it or not but you asked and I find myself at liberty to answer for now……………….

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

As far as being convenient. Yes it is for me. I don’t claim to be anything other than a man and a follower of Yah and his true word. It is convenient for me to choose life through the true word of Yah. Not this nasty and fleshly life which is full of vanity’s of the mind and weaknesses of the flesh but rather that life that we may obtain through the services and obedience to Yah and his true word.

 

[Berachiah Ben Yisrael]

Ha!! Suuuure, suuure. And what would you then use that money for?

Whatever I choose.

And no, you don't HAVE to sue. You enjoy not going with the crowd so why are you now falling on "it's the way things are done today in this society." Hmmm?

Because I chose to. I have the right to choose whatever I want. Its called freewill.

You could...!!!! forgive them. Wow, quite a notion, isn't it? You're alive and, as you said, not an abomination in god's eyes because it wasn't your choice so--no harm done. Yet you'd still wanna sue their pants off...like I said, you'd be suing for pure revenge.

The law states that I have the right to punitive damages for the Doctors failure to adhere to the law. revenge? LOL Whatever. Call it what you want. The law has been broken and has caused me damages that cannot be repaired. If this person made the choice to do so even after knowing what my wishes were then he better be prepared to hear from my attourney.

Hey I look forward to my lung cancer in 50 years, thank you very much. And I know I will have no one to blame but myself. I think smoking is a bad analogy...I haven't ever heard of anyone who blames it on anyone but themselves when they get cancer.

Oh well. Can't please everybody. Not that I ever try.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

This is not an abomination where I can find in Torah. Remember it is the conscience act of doing, or allowing, the act that is an abomination. You have no control over bug’s. Nor are the bugs under the same Torah as those who accept and live by it.

You may not have control over the bugs themselves, but you certainly have control over whether you get bitten: if you stay inside, you won't be; if you go outside during bug season, you probably will be.

As far as squandering life, I don’t believe Yah cares anything about flesh but our obedience to his will. If we squander our lives by disobedience then we loose our right to the goal of eternal life. It’s not about this life.

If you don't think that Yah cares about the flesh or this life, then why did He go to the trouble of creating this world of the flesh, and creating you in this form? It seems odd to think that it would be for no purpose.

If I am asked a question then I usually try to answer but this in no way means that I might actually care how the person I answered takes it. Just like with you.

Don't presume to speak for me.

When I communicate with someone, it's for the purpose of expressing a meaning to them. If not, I'm just flapping my gums.

Funny thing is I feel the same way about what you have posted here as well. I see you using the true word of Yah deceitfully.

Right. Because "eat" really does mean "surgery" and "everything" really does mean "everything but this stuff over there that I didn't bother to mention".

Now there’s something we can agree on. I don’t care if you accept it or not but you asked and I find myself at liberty to answer for now……………….

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hang on - I thought you said that Paul/Shaul wasn't a prophet. If these words carry weight, why doesn't the passage in Timothy that you rejected carry weight as well?

As far as being convenient. Yes it is for me. I don’t claim to be anything other than a man and a follower of Yah and his true word. It is convenient for me to choose life through the true word of Yah. Not this nasty and fleshly life which is full of vanity’s of the mind and weaknesses of the flesh but rather that life that we may obtain through the services and obedience to Yah and his true word.

That's the thing, though: full appreciation of the "true word" itself is beyond any flawed human being. Whatever appreciation you arrive at must, by its nature, must be imperfect itself - for now "we know in part and we prophecy in part", if you like.

Two questions:
- what do you consider to be idolatry? Would you agree that it's elevation of a human creation to the status of Yah?
- If "Yah's true word" must be interpreted imperfectly before it can be taken in by humans, wouldn't that interpretation itself be a human creation?

 

[Father Heathen]

This thread is a 151 page smorgasbord of silly.

 

[rojse]

So MONEY would make the situation better? That's a really weird line of thinking. How would money help? Seems like you'd just sue for revenge.

Suing people for wrongs committed against you is the western way. Think of the pain and suffering that Berachiah Ben Yisrael would suffer under a scenario - he has to suffer the humility and indignity of living when he should have died as his beliefs dictated.

 

[rojse]

This thread is a 151 page smorgasbord of silly.

Except for the cans of creamed corn.

 

[darkendless]

Suing people for wrongs committed against you is the western way. Think of the pain and suffering that Berachiah Ben Yisrael would suffer under a scenario - he has to suffer the humility and indignity of living when he should have died as his beliefs dictated.

Maybe consider the pain of a medical person having to watch you die helplessly because of rediculous religious beliefs. This poor person cannot even live with the notion that they tried their best to save you.
Suing is a social injustice. Like i've said in previous posts if i was sued for saving a life as a medical person id open their throat and tell them "where's your God now." It is wrong on every level to prevent someone to save your life when it is easily achievable.

Out of curiosity how does a paramedic know whether or not to save your life? Often its a matter of minutes. If you're unconscious what do you do? Do you let them save you and turn around and sue them later? Ruin their career for doing their job and giving you life? Nice.

 

[rojse]

Maybe consider the pain of a medical person having to watch you die helplessly because of rediculous religious beliefs. This poor person cannot even live with the notion that they tried their best to save you.
Suing is a social injustice. Like i've said in previous posts if i was sued for saving a life as a medical person id open their throat and tell them "where's your God now." It is wrong on every level to prevent someone to save your life when it is easily achievable.

Out of curiosity how does a paramedic know whether or not to save your life? Often its a matter of minutes. If you're unconscious what do you do? Do you let them save you and turn around and sue them later? Ruin their career for doing their job and giving you life? Nice.

It was sarcasm, Darkendless. If a medical worker comes across a person, i do believe they should make every effort to save them, while their next-of-kin are being contacted in order to ascertain if they have any religious beliefs or medical conditions that might impact on them being able to effectively perform their work.

 

[darkendless]

It was sarcasm, Darkendless. If a medical worker comes across a person, i do believe they should make every effort to save them, while their next-of-kin are being contacted in order to ascertain if they have any religious beliefs or medical conditions that might impact on them being able to effectively perform their work.

Oh my bad, sorry. What you said is true though. I wonder how many times your sentence has been argued in court?

I still wonder how that would work. Say they were sent to an emergency ward and they couldn't wait, i wonder what they would do. My uncle was kicked by a horse 15 years ago and they didn't wait, they just did it. Life and death could be a matter of minutes, it seems unlikely a doctor would wait for conformation of religious beliefs. I think the poor guy would just have to cop the consequences for the ingrate who wanted to die. I find it hard to believe.

 

[rojse]

Oh my bad, sorry. What you said is true though. I wonder how many times your sentence has been argued in court?

I still wonder how that would work. Say they were sent to an emergency ward and they couldn't wait, i wonder what they would do. My uncle was kicked by a horse 15 years ago and they didn't wait, they just did it. Life and death could be a matter of minutes, it seems unlikely a doctor would wait for conformation of religious beliefs. I think the poor guy would just have to cop the consequences for the ingrate who wanted to die. I find it hard to believe.

What I can't understand is why you would martyr yourself in such a pedestrian manner to comply with your religious beliefs, but many other things about religious beliefs are beyond me, too.

 

[darkendless]

What I can't understand is why you would martyr yourself in such a pedestrian manner to comply with your religious beliefs, but many other things about religious beliefs are beyond me, too.

I can't understand what kind of God would condone such a thing. Exactly what religious statement/sentence in a bible condemns blood transfusions? Is this another stupid open-ended sentence that could mean 1234534263434 other things?

 

[stacey bo bacey]

Whatever I choose.

No, I'm really anxious to know what you'd buy after you sue the crap out of someone for saving your life. I get the itching feeling it wouldn't go to charity.

Because I chose to. I have the right to choose whatever I want. Its called freewill.

Oh right, right. When it comes to money, it's whatever YOU want, not Yah.

The law states that I have the right to punitive damages for the Doctors failure to adhere to the law. revenge? LOL Whatever. Call it what you want. The law has been broken and has caused me damages that cannot be repaired. If this person made the choice to do so even after knowing what my wishes were then he better be prepared to hear from my attourney.

The law also states medical personnel must do everything they can to save a life. They break the law if they don't do that. Understand? In my scenario I was talking ONLY about an emergency where the decision couldn't wait, or you would die. They would, of course, still be trying to contact your wife...but they are DOCTORS. They don't waste precious seconds or minutes, they save you.

Oh well. Can't please everybody. Not that I ever try.

Yea, I see right through you.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I still wonder how that would work. Say they were sent to an emergency ward and they couldn't wait, i wonder what they would do.

Most people who have some sort of funky medical requirement (e.g. medication allergies, "do not resusictate" orders, things like this about blood transfusions) carry some sort of notice on them, usually on a bracelet or necklace.

 

[painted wolf]

What about a personal blood bank?
Some people store their own blood medically for an emergency.

Guess God just hates people with blood diseases.

wa:do

 

[Berachiah Ben Yisrael]

You may not have control over the bugs themselves, but you certainly have control over whether you get bitten: if you stay inside, you won't be; if you go outside during bug season, you probably will be.

LOL. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I have been bitten inside and outside. One has to go out to work and play. One is commanded to go to assembly once a week for observance of Shabbat. Again, one has no control over what something or someone else may do. In any case, you wouldn’t be held accountable for sin if you didn’t either do, or allow, the act.

If you don't think that Yah cares about the flesh or this life, then why did He go to the trouble of creating this world of the flesh, and creating you in this form? It seems odd to think that it would be for no purpose.

Well one might take the fact that Yah used a flood to kill all men and women except 8 on the ark. 8 out of countless thousands if not millions and we were given the reason why. They were evil. What is evil but one that disobeys and continues in this disobedience to their Creators Torah.

We have a purpose and guess what it is. Lets hear the conclusion of the whole matter………………….

Ecc 12:13 This is the end of the matter. All has been heard. Fear Elohim, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For Elohim will bring every work into judgment, with every hidden thing, whether it is good, or whether it is evil.

Don't presume to speak for me.

That’s a joke. I’ve never presumed a thing about you. You have been perfectly clear in defining yourself without my help.

I'm just flapping my gums.

That’s pretty much how I have been taking you.

Right. Because "eat" really does mean "surgery" and "everything" really does mean "everything but this stuff over there that I didn't bother to mention".

Now your just being a bore. If you can’t see the truth then who am I to try and show it to you? You remind me of Matt 7:6. My liberty is about complete with you. But for now see that he shows truth to whom he chooses………..

Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

Hang on - I thought you said that Paul/Shaul wasn't a prophet. If these words carry weight, why doesn't the passage in Timothy that you rejected carry weight as well?

What verse in Tim? Refresh my memory.

That's the thing, though: full appreciation of the "true word" itself is beyond any flawed human being. Whatever appreciation you arrive at must, by its nature, must be imperfect itself - for now "we know in part and we prophecy in part", if you like.

Again, your opinion. I disagree. You cannot prove to me anything that you have said and it is all just your own opinion. It is how you look at it and it isn’t the way I look at it. We disagree. I agree to disagree. Why can’t you?

Two questions:
- what do you consider to be idolatry?

Bowing down to worship a figure of a man on a cross for one. Want more?

Would you agree that it's elevation of a human creation to the status of Yah?

That is not possible. Though Yah may, as has, raised up many to do his bidding.

- If "Yah's true word" must be interpreted imperfectly

Huh???????

before it can be taken in by humans, wouldn't that interpretation itself be a human creation?

Well this time I have to admit that you have totally lost me. Why must it be understood imperfectly? Oh that’s right………………….

Psa 81:10 I am YAH, your Elohim, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt. Open your mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Psa 81:11 But my people didn't listen to my voice. Yisra'el desired none of me.
Psa 81:12 So I let them go after the stubbornness of their hearts, that they might walk in their own counsels.
Psa 81:13 Oh that my people would listen to me, that Yisra'el would walk in my ways!

Act 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

Rom 1:28 Even as they refused to have Elohim in their knowledge, Elohim gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
Rom 1:29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil habits, secret slanderers,
Rom 1:30 backbiters, hateful to Elohim, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, unforgiving, unmerciful;
Rom 1:32 who, knowing the ordinance of Elohim, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also approve of those who practice them.

So in essence we could take it that Yah has dumb founded most everybody and has only retained his true word in those that serve and obey him in righteousness. I like that.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

LOL. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. I have been bitten inside and outside. One has to go out to work and play. One is commanded to go to assembly once a week for observance of Shabbat. Again, one has no control over what something or someone else may do. In any case, you wouldn’t be held accountable for sin if you didn’t either do, or allow, the act.

If you allow yourself to be bitten by a mosquito, then you allow the blood of another to enter your body. And if you don't wear one of these when you go outside in bug season, you are allowing yourself to be bitten:

Do you?

And you're right - normally, this would be rather silly. However, you've made it clear that what you see as God's command cannot be compromised: no blood, period. No ifs, ands or buts. You've said that this is so important that you would sacrifice your own life to obey this command if need be; compared to that, the personal cost of wearing a slightly funny-looking bug suit every now and then is negligible.

And if you're being bitten by mosquitos inside, assuming you've already done the obvious things like put screens up, I guess wearing one of those suits all the time is just the burden you have to bear, isn't it? After all, there's no wiggle-room in God's law... right?

What verse in Tim? Refresh my memory.

"Everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be refused, if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer."

Again, your opinion. I disagree. You cannot prove to me anything that you have said and it is all just your own opinion. It is how you look at it and it isn’t the way I look at it. We disagree. I agree to disagree. Why can’t you?

Let's try again:

- let's assume for the moment that God's will and Law is perfect.
- the lens through which any of us might take in that will and Law is ourselves: our senses, our minds.
- an image is the product of both its object and the lens that created the image.
- a perfect image of a perfect object can only be created by a perfect lens.
- similarily, a perfect understanding of God's will and Law can only be gained by a perfect person.

Do you consider yourself to be a perfect person? If so, then I'd argue that you engage in self-idolatry. If not, then you must acknowledge that you're incapable of perfect certainty in your understanding of God's will and His Law... if you're worried about consistency, anyhow.

That is not possible. Though Yah may, as has, raised up many to do his bidding.

Let's try this one again, too:

- human attempts to confer god-like status on something that is not God is idolatry.
- nothing is perfect but God.
- if you claim that you, an aspect of you, or anything else that is not God is perfect, you are engaging in idolatry.

It seems to me that you are claiming that you have a perfect understanding of the will of God. Keeping in mind what I've just said, would you agree or disagree?

So in essence we could take it that Yah has dumb founded most everybody and has only retained his true word in those that serve and obey him in righteousness. I like that.

Not even that, if you believe the 1 Corinthians quote that I mentioned before, that you skipped over (verse 12):

Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.