Did God say that?! I Rape in the bible

[YmirGF]

Sure,keep it up
So no one to disagree that bible isn't God's word that is the point.

There are very, very few Christians who will tell you that the Bible is literally the Word O' God. The ones who cling to this silly notion are usually not terribly bright to begin with. Likewise, others who claim that their amusing little books are the word of god are also, generally speaking, not terribly bright and so their fanatical enthusiasm is to be taken at face value.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No,i'm talking to christians and jews who admit that god didn't teach people such things.

I wonder why so many non-Christians and non-Jews hold so fast to the idea of Biblical inerrancy.

I also wonder why a Muslim would be using material from a web site whose stated purpose is to promote atheism and seems to be either a creation of or a joint venture with "The Church of Theists Suck" to support his arguments.

 

[YmirGF]

I also wonder why a Muslim would be using material from a web site whose stated purpose is to promote atheism and seems to be either a creation of or a joint venture with "The Church of Theists Suck" to support his arguments.

Admittedly, that is a bit of a head-scratcher.

 

[porkchop]

Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape. Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife". Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives.

Rape in the Bible

Why would god say that?!....
Quran 2:79
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woeto them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

Iv'e just read quiet a bit of the site link you posted and it's blatantly obvious that the author hates Jesus and everything about the Bible. What i want to know is, as a muslim, don't you believ Jesus to be a prophet atleast and have alot of respect for Him?
By the way, that site is a loon's paradise!!!

 

[Green Gaia]

I wonder why so many non-Christians and non-Jews hold so fast to the idea of Biblical inerrancy.

I also wonder why a Muslim would be using material from a web site whose stated purpose is to promote atheism and seems to be either a creation of or a joint venture with "The Church of Theists Suck" to support his arguments.

That is rather odd, unless he views atheists as less of a threat than other theists.

 

[linwood]

That is rather odd, unless he views atheists as less of a threat than other theists.

I think it`s a case of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

 

[Zhakir]

I wonder why so many non-Christians and non-Jews hold so fast to the idea of Biblical inerrancy.

I also wonder why a Muslim would be using material from a web site whose stated purpose is to promote atheism and seems to be either a creation of or a joint venture with "The Church of Theists Suck" to support his arguments.

Because what they say about christianity is right.

 

[Zhakir]

There are very, very few Christians who will tell you that the Bible is literally the Word O' God.

..Sure

 

[Zhakir]

Iv'e just read quiet a bit of the site link you posted and it's blatantly obvious that the author hates Jesus and everything about the Bible. What i want to know is, as a muslim, don't you believ Jesus to be a prophet atleast and have alot of respect for Him?
By the way, that site is a loon's paradise!!!

I do respect Jesus (pbuh), that's i know he wasn't sent to say that.
why don't you show some recpect to him and believe in that
or answer did God say that.

 

[Zhakir]

That is rather odd, unless he views atheists as less of a threat than other theists.

I think it`s a case of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Because what they say about christianity is right. that's the point.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape. Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife". Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives.

Rape in the Bible

Why would god say that?!....
Quran 2:79
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woeto them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

Muslims of all people should not point out wrongdoings in other religions... Especially 2000 year old teachings that are no longer practised, whereas only recently a brother and his freind beat up his sister for going out of the house on her own...

 

[Zhakir]

Especially 2000 year old teachings that are no longer practised,

This saying doesn't count,because they today claim to believe in it,and it's practiced as well by some.
(If christian says "NO" then he will have to admit that he doesn't believe it's right ,or god said it)
if you know what i mean

 

[linwood]

This saying doesn't count,because they today claim to believe in it,and it's practiced as well by some.

You seem to be having a hard time finding any of these Christians.
I too know they exist, I also know they are a minority.

(If christian says "NO" then he will have to admit that he doesn't believe it's right ,or god said it)
if you know what i mean

Being a religious extremist yourself you know they will have to do no such thing.

They can harmonize even better than you.

They had a 600 year head start in mastering the art.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

This saying doesn't count,because they today claim to believe in it,and it's practiced as well by some.
(If christian says "NO" then he will have to admit that he doesn't believe it's right ,or god said it)
if you know what i mean

Who practices? It does count... It is an old teaching for a sexist society. Im sure there are no Christians who believe in that and practice it.

I think you have no clue what you are on about and lying

 

[Zhakir]

Who practices? It does count... It is an old teaching for a sexist society. Im sure there are no Christians who believe in that and practice it.

I think you have no clue what you are on about and lying

Are you sure you defending bible or christians by saying:

Im sure there are no Christians who believe in that and practice it.

You prove they don't believe in the bible,or believe it's god's.
Think again

 

[Sahar]

"What I hear in the media"? Can you please tell me whether you believe Islamic women are not stoned / drowned / beaten / burned to death for losing (or appearing to lose) their virtue? Are you saying all those links to examples of this happening were lies?

What I said was clear. If you want to use Muslims actions then contrast them to Christians actions. If you want to use the bible then contrast it with the Qur'an. This is the fair comparison that I am talking about. But to compare a religious scripture to actions of followers of another religion is not fair. Why should I repeat what I said before?

Fairness says Christian scripture compared to Islamic scripture, not to what you hear in the media that may or may not be true. The Bible vs the Qur'an.

A little clarity on your opinion regarding violence toward women in primarily Islamic countries would help move this discussion forward.

I presented the Islamic stance that I believe in, did you read it or should I repeat it too? Anything that is not in accordance with Islam is unIslamic.

I'm not particularly interested in comparing a book to another book.

Then this thread is not for you. You can start your own thread to discuss whatever you want, ok?
And I don't have anything to offer except what the Qur'an says, if you're not interested, I can't help.

Faith, belief, ethics, morality, goodness, etc. is expressed through the behavior of the believer, not by their holy book. I mean, a person's favorite book will tell you something about them, but a person's behavior will tell you everything.

Not necessarily. Muslims who don't perform the five prayers, who don't give Zakah, or fast Ramadan don't express their religion, do they? :sarcastic

I suppose what I'm really trying to say is, "pot, meet kettle". Whatever your holy books say, Abrahamic religions do not appear to have any beneficial effect on human behavior.

okay, as for Islam, it at least has beneficial effects on me which is enough to me.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Whatever your holy books say, Abrahamic religions do not appear to have any beneficial effect on human behavior.

okay, as for Islam, it at least has beneficial effects on me which is enough to me.

As it should be. The claim, for example, that the untold acts of religion-inspired tzedakah/zakah reflects no beneficial effect on human behavior is little more than cynicism in the service of secular dogma.

 

[challupa]

Somalia is a dreadful place and this sounds absolutely awful.


How did the woman in Iran fare, this story is a little old.


It is my beleif that Sharia does not exist anywhere on this planet, the laws (if you can call them that) in Somalia are made up by the monsters who perpetrated this killing of this poor girl, whether they claim its Islamic or not the fact is its more to do with Somalia than its to do with the Quran.


The same goes for Iran .



as an example have you heard of the Lords Resistance Army and how do you think they reflect on Christianity .

Lord's Resistance Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia









PS: An Update on the Iranian woman.

According to an Amnesty International report: "In November 2006, [Iran's] Supreme Court ruled that the trial verdict was based on insufficient or incomplete evidence, and overturned the sentence of execution by stoning. The case was returned to a lower court for a retrial. In late July or August 2008, the court ruled that Shamemeh Ghorbani should not be stoned to death, but instead she received a sentence of 100 lashes. She was released from prison in Oroumiye, western Iran, where she had been held since 2005, but her sentence may still be implemented.

Malak Ghorbany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would have to say it's not Islam, it's not Christianity and it's not Judaism, but there is something in those religions that seem to attract people that seem to have a pretty distorted mindset and they find a home in these religions. Why that is, I don't know. Maybe it's because the holy books are so open to interpretation and have some pretty gruesome chapters in them. This leaves it wide open to interpret the books in an abusive and sometimes horrific fashion.

 

[challupa]

"What I hear in the media"? Can you please tell me whether you believe Islamic women are not stoned / drowned / beaten / burned to death for losing (or appearing to lose) their virtue? Are you saying all those links to examples of this happening were lies?

A little clarity on your opinion regarding violence toward women in primarily Islamic countries would help move this discussion forward.

I'm not particularly interested in comparing a book to another book. Faith, belief, ethics, morality, goodness, etc. is expressed through the behavior of the believer, not by their holy book. I mean, a person's favorite book will tell you something about them, but a person's behavior will tell you everything.

I'm not defending Christians, here. IMO all the Abrahamic religions are as bad as each other in most ways. I mean, "Christians" might not lash or stone rape victims, but they are more than happy to bomb countries filled with non-Christians, killing women, infants, men, grandparents indiscriminately for their beliefs.

I suppose what I'm really trying to say is, "pot, meet kettle". Whatever your holy books say, Abrahamic religions do not appear to have any beneficial effect on human behavior.

In all fairness, it's not just Islam that treat their women that way. Hindu women can have it pretty bad too. Here is an example:
The Hindu : They still burn brides

 

[Sahar]

In all fairness, it's not just Islam that treat their women that way.

As a matter of fact, Islam treats me very well.