Did I Just Hear Hillary Say She Was Going To Raise Taxes On The Middle Class

[YmirGF]

It would've cost her less time & money to get an associate's degree in heating & cooling.
Now there is a field always looking for new hires. Even here!

Heaven forbid anyone be inclined to pursue such a mundane field. How insensitive of you, Revoltingest.

 

[Revoltingest]

Heaven forbid anyone be inclined to pursue such a mundane field. How insensitive of you, Revoltingest.

Be tolerant!
I can't help being insensitive.....I'm empathy impaired.

 

[columbus]

I supposed moving from life support and returning to ER is an improvement, but I don't think I've read ANY economist talk about how dramatically better the economy has become.

Here's the difference between Bush and Obama.
Bush had solid support on Capitol Hill. From wars to huge deficits, he and they worked together. Obama has mostly had a Capitol Hill willing to do anything, no matter how damaging to the country, to prevent Obama from accomplishing anything.

So I look at the country when Bush took office and compare it to 2008. Then I look at the country when Obama took office and compare it to now.
Obama has been the vastly better president.
Vastly.
Most of the criticism Obama gets is for not repairing the damage done by the previous administration quickly enough, while congress was doing their best to keep him from doing so.
Tom

 

[YmirGF]

Here's the difference between Bush and Obama.
Bush had solid support on Capitol Hill. From wars to huge deficits, he and they worked together. Obama has mostly had a Capitol Hill willing to do anything, no matter how damaging to the country, to prevent Obama from accomplishing anything.

So I look at the country when Bush took office and compare it to 2008. Then I look at the country when Obama took office and compare it to now.
Obama has been the vastly better president.
Vastly.
Most of the criticism Obama gets is for not repairing the damage done by the previous administration quickly enough, while congress was doing their best to keep him from doing so.
Tom

LOL. Um, are you trying to have your cake and eat it too?

Your economy is limping along, regardless of who is to blame. To describe it as "Obama has improved the economy drastically" is simply stupid, quite uninformed and ignores reality. I will give the American government ( ) credit though for not running the economy right into the ground, like our friends in Europe seem to be so good at.

 

[columbus]

To describe it as "Obama has improved the economy drastically" is simply stupid, quite uninformed and ignores reality.

Which is why I didn't say that.
The modest improvement is in stark contrast to the huge destruction caused by the previous government.
And the circumstances are very different as well.
Tom

 

[YmirGF]

Which is why I didn't say that.
The modest improvement is in stark contrast to the huge destruction caused by the previous government.
And the circumstances are very different as well.
Tom

I know, Tom. My original comments were certainly not directed at you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

seems Snoops disagrees with you.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/04/hillary-clinton-raise-taxes/

I would hope you're not thinking she would be dumb enough to purposefully and intentionally say she is going to raise taxes on the Middle Class during the last few months of campaigning. And your link even says it's doubtful that was the case.

 

[esmith]

Not to get off the subject (but it's my post so)
Hillary's plan to fix the infrastructure has one major flaw in it, and that is the availability of workers. Now I don't know how it's going in the rest of the country but around here they are begging for workers.
http://www.kivitv.com/news/idaho-job-growth-1-construction-is-hot

 

[Revoltingest]

Not to get off the subject (but it's my post so)
Hillary's plan to fix the infrastructure has one major flaw in it, and that is the availability of workers. Now I don't know how it's going in the rest of the country but around here they are begging for workers.
http://www.kivitv.com/news/idaho-job-growth-1-construction-is-hot

It would require some time to plan jobs, hire contractors, & train new workers.
This would afflict Trump's even more ambitious infrastructure plans.
The difference is that I think he'd be more likely to get it done.
Hilda will be more focused upon social spending.

 

[Acim]

Slowed down speed to .25, never heard "aren't."

I believe she misspoke, but only sort of. I agree with @Revoltingest and would wager that she will for sure raise taxes on the middle class if/when she's elected. Here's hoping we never find out.

 

[fantome profane]

To be technical (which people seem to want to do) what you hear at the end of that word is a glottal stop. Which if you are not familiar with this it is a choking off of the airflow in such a way as to produce a consonate sound, It is often used by certain people in the place of a "t" or a "d", particularly at the end of words. I have not heard Hillary do this often, but it is what she did in this clip.

 

[Revoltingest]

To be technical (which people seem to want to do) what you hear at the end of that word is a glottal stop. Which if you are not familiar with this it is a choking off of the airflow in such a way as to produce a consonate sound, It is often used by certain people in the place of a "t" or a "d", particularly at the end of words. I have not heard Hillary do this often, but it is what she did in this clip.

For ref....

I've been around enuf Brits, & had fun imitating this quirk to firmly believe that Hilda did not do this in the OP's clip.

 

[metis]

Not to get off the subject (but it's my post so)
Hillary's plan to fix the infrastructure has one major flaw in it, and that is the availability of workers. Now I don't know how it's going in the rest of the country but around here they are begging for workers.
http://www.kivitv.com/news/idaho-job-growth-1-construction-is-hot

People will go to where the work is, such as my niece who now lives in North Dakota after she left South Carolina because there's better pay.

 

[Revoltingest]

People will go to where the work is, such as my niece who now lives in North Dakota after she left South Carolina because there's better pay.

This flexibility is one reason I oppose the heavy subsidies of home ownership.
In bad times, when housing values fall, it's often impossible for people to
sell their home without having to come up with cash to cover the transfer costs
& the shortfall between loan balance & net proceeds from the sale. This happened
during the crisis which started in 2001, & became noticed by economists & politicians
in late 2007. Government exacerbates the problem by prohibiting Fannie Mae &
Freddie Mac from negotiating principal reductions with underwater borrowers.

Oddly, it's the evil capitalist lenders who are far more pragmatic, & consequently
charitable because they will waive large portions of balances due. And then,
Uncle Sam charges the borrower income tax on the forgiven amount.
I've been there & done that.

 

[fantome profane]

For ref....

I've been around enuf Brits, & had fun imitating this quirk to firmly believe that Hilda did not do this in the OP's clip.

It also appears in the New York accent, which is probably how Hillary came by it. And she may have been tired and losing her voice. The glottal stop is easier to do than the propper "t" pronounciation.

But I hear it in the clip.

 

[Revoltingest]

It also appears in the New York accent, which is probably how Hillary came by it. And she may have been tired and losing her voice. The glottal stop is easier to do than the propper "t" pronounciation.

But I hear it in the clip.

She sounded forceful & deliberate....far from tired.
But we each hear what we want to hear, eh?

Actually, I'd prefer that she have said & intend what I heard.
But I don't believe it's what she intends.....or rather, pretends to intend.
(We all know that she'll raise middle class taxes if she wins. I guarantee it.)
I chalk it up to mis-speaking.....like Obama with his "Muslim faith".

 

[columbus]

Now I don't know how it's going in the rest of the country but around here they are begging for workers.

Don't you live in a capitalistic place?
If you are not getting enough labor you need to raise what you pay.
Why do capitalistic people get so stupid when the market works in ways they don't like?
Tom

 

[Skwim]

 

[tytlyf]

Minor correction: On further study she isn't saying "and" as much as she's saying "an" so the "nd" above would be better represented by "an."

Just RW media spinning anything they can to politicize it.

 

[fantome profane]

Here is something else to fight about for a while.

Paul Manafort supporting Paul Ryan for President.