Did I Just Hear Hillary Say She Was Going To Raise Taxes On The Middle Class

[Milton Platt]

Well the video says it all. Now some of you diehard Hillary fanatics will say she just misspoke. However, sometimes attributed to a mistake is actually a sub-concise truth that slips out.

Fail......

 

[Skwim]

Fail......

Gotta agree. Esmith and whoever created the stupid video are really getting desperate.

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[esmith]

Don't you live in a capitalistic place?
If you are not getting enough labor you need to raise what you pay.
Why do capitalistic people get so stupid when the market works in ways they don't like?
Tom

Ever wonder how liberals have problems in the real world? Guess it is because they really have a problem understanding the real world.
https://www.agc.org/news/2016/08/02...ut-358-metro-areas-between-june-2015-and-2016

Contractors are adding employees in most parts of the country, while construction job losses are primarily in areas that are most affected by the steep decline in oil and gas drilling,” said Ken Simonson, the association’s chief economist, adding that construction employment hit new peak levels in 32 metro areas. “However, increases in construction employment are becoming less widespread as more contractors run into difficulty finding qualified workers.”


“It makes no sense that there are thousands of young people who can’t find a job while we have hundreds of members who can’t find enough workers,” said Stephen E. Sandherr, the association’s chief executive officer. “Congress can help fix this mismatch by passing legislation that makes it easier for schools to prepare students with the skills they need to find high-paying jobs in careers like construction.”

Also could it be that the shortage of "qualified" workers is partially due to young people attending a college or university and obtaining a degree that does not have or having a very limited opportunity in today's world. Or is it the idea of "hard work" is foreign to the young people of today because they have been fed the line of the government owes them "cradle too grave" care and if they want it the government will give it to them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Don't you live in a capitalistic place?
If you are not getting enough labor you need to raise what you pay.
Why do capitalistic people get so stupid when the market works in ways they don't like?
Tom

If there's a nationwide increase in infrastructure work, simply raising pay won't get the additional workers immediately.
The market responds to demand with (what engineers would call) a "phase lag", ie, a delay.

 

[Skwim]

Ever wonder. . . . .

“It makes no sense that there are thousands of young people who can’t find a job while we have hundreds of members who can’t find enough workers,” said Stephen E. Sandherr, the association’s chief executive officer. “Congress can help fix this mismatch by passing legislation that makes it easier for schools to prepare students with the skills they need to find high-paying jobs in careers like construction.”

"High-paying jobs in careers like construction"? "High paying"? I suppose if you're living in a ghetto and on the dole a median hourly wage of $14* may look like high-paying. But outside that $14 an hour is not high-paying, nor is the top end of $ 24 an hour.*

My suggestion: find credible sources to quote. Neither the sorry video in your OP nor this obtuse silliness qualifies.


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[tytlyf]

Ever wonder how liberals have problems in the real world? Guess it is because they really have a problem understanding the real world..

Your media isn't the real world. That's how Trump became the nominee. And you tell us we're living in a fantasy world.

 

[Revoltingest]

"High-paying jobs in careers like construction"? "High paying"? I suppose if you're living in a ghetto and on the dole a median hourly wage of $14* may look like high-paying. But outside that $14 an hour is not high-paying, nor is the top end of $ 24 an hour.*

My suggestion: find credible sources to quote. Neither the sorry video in your OP nor this obtuse silliness qualifies.


*source

I don't know of any construction jobs here which pay so little.
I suppose that gofers & grunts might somewhere.
But skilled trades are well over $20/hour.
Some are over $30/hour.
Perhaps some people don't think that's "high".
But beats being unemployed.

 

[esmith]

I don't know of any construction jobs here which pay so little.
I suppose that gofers & grunts might somewhere.
But skilled trades are well over $20/hour.
Some are over $30/hour.
Perhaps some people don't think that's "high".
But beats being unemployed.

Yeah, but that would mean they would have to get off their *** and actual earn a living.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, but that would mean they would have to get off their *** and actual earn a living.

Well, I didn't say it was a perfect solution!
The good money in construction does require that the worker be reliable, capable, & willing to learn.
This isn't for everyone.

 

[metis]

Gee, over 200,000 new jobs created in the last quarter so, yep, Obama is doing a terrible job through sustained growth over the last how many years?

However, there's still work to be done to improve some areas where we're lagging, which could undoubtedly be helped by working more in infrastructure versus just fabricating excuses why it's so much easier collecting welfare. Oh, wait a minute, states have passed laws as to how long one can be on welfare plus other limitations. But maybe some people didn't get the memo.

 

[Twilight Hue]

LOL. Um, are you trying to have your cake and eat it too?

Your economy is limping along, regardless of who is to blame. To describe it as "Obama has improved the economy drastically" is simply stupid, quite uninformed and ignores reality. I will give the American government ( ) credit though for not running the economy right into the ground, like our friends in Europe seem to be so good at.

I think easing unessessary regulatory restrictions would ease financial strain on the goverments part.

Gotta agree. Esmith and whoever created the stupid video are really getting desperate.

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There's a lot of vids like that. You got to admit it does have a nefarious flavor that some seem to take as something being more than considence.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think easing unessessary regulatory restrictions would ease financial strain on the goverments part.

I don't think it's possible for a career government aparatchik (who never ran a business) to really understand the cost of regulation.
They're all about exercising this power over others, but never experiencing the receiving end.
So they're inclined to impose this cost where the benefits aren't worth it.
I'll now trot an old chestnut......
If you wanna make the rules, you ought first have played the game.

Now, before anyone gets all worked up to defend regulation, be advised that I think it's useful.
As N Man points out, unnecessary & unprofitable (ie, cost exceeds benefit) regulation must go.

 

[Skwim]

I think easing unessessary regulatory restrictions would ease financial strain on the goverments part.

There's a lot of vids like that. You got to admit it does have a nefarious flavor that some seem to take as something being more than considence.

Please rephrase.


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[Skwim]

I don't know of any construction jobs here which pay so little.
I suppose that gofers & grunts might somewhere.
But skilled trades are well over $20/hour.
Some are over $30/hour.

The US median wage? According to whom?

And, it's not "skilled trades" but "jobs in construction," construction workers, which author of the remark Stephen E. Sandherr was talking about. As described in the link I provide. . .

Job Description for Construction Worker
A construction worker typically works as part of a team on a construction site (such as for a building, home, or other structure).
This person may be responsible for a number of tasks, including carpentry, demolition, drywall, finishing, and roofing.
​

This would exclude electricians, plumbers, tradesmen who need to be licensed throughout the country. Carpenters, drywallers, and roofers may or may not need to be licensed, depending on locality.
According to the website I linked to:

The median wage of a journeyman plumber is $21 an hour. That of a master plumber, $25 (high end, $38)
The median wage of a journeyman electrician is $22 an hour. That of a master electrician, $25 (high end: $40)
​

As is obvious from the linked site, electricians and plumbers are not regarded as "construction workers."


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[esmith]

Gee, over 200,000 new jobs created in the last quarter so, yep, Obama is doing a terrible job through sustained growth over the last how many years?

However, there's still work to be done to improve some areas where we're lagging, which could undoubtedly be helped by working more in infrastructure versus just fabricating excuses why it's so much easier collecting welfare. Oh, wait a minute, states have passed laws as to how long one can be on welfare plus other limitations. But maybe some people didn't get the memo.

and a opposing view

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435093/barack-obama-economy-jobs-ugly-truth

 

[Revoltingest]

The US median wage? According to whom?

And, it's not "skilled trades" but "jobs in construction," construction workers, which author of the remark Stephen E. Sandherr was talking about. As described in the link I provide. . .

Job Description for Construction Worker
A construction worker typically works as part of a team on a construction site (such as for a building, home, or other structure).
This person may be responsible for a number of tasks, including carpentry, demolition, drywall, finishing, and roofing.
​

This would exclude electricians, plumbers, tradesmen who need to be licensed throughout the country. Carpenters, drywallers, and roofers may or may not need to be licensed, depending on locality.
According to the website I linked to:

The median wage of a journeyman plumber is $21 an hour. That of a master plumber, $25 (high end, $38)
The median wage of a journeyman electrician is $22 an hour. That of a master electrician, $25 (high end: $40)
​

As is obvious from the linked site, electricians and plumbers are not regarded as "construction workers."


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Hmmmm....try hiring any skilled worker for such a low wage where I live.
If you find one, he (occasionally she) won't last long.

 

[Skwim]

Hmmmm....try hiring any skilled worker for such a low wage where I live.
If you find one, he (occasionally she) won't last long.

Location! Location! Location!


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[esmith]

The US median wage? According to whom?

And, it's not "skilled trades" but "jobs in construction," construction workers, which author of the remark Stephen E. Sandherr was talking about. As described in the link I provide. . .

Job Description for Construction Worker
A construction worker typically works as part of a team on a construction site (such as for a building, home, or other structure).
This person may be responsible for a number of tasks, including carpentry, demolition, drywall, finishing, and roofing.
​

This would exclude electricians, plumbers, tradesmen who need to be licensed throughout the country. Carpenters, drywallers, and roofers may or may not need to be licensed, depending on locality.
According to the website I linked to:

The median wage of a journeyman plumber is $21 an hour. That of a master plumber, $25 (high end, $38)
The median wage of a journeyman electrician is $22 an hour. That of a master electrician, $25 (high end: $40)
​

As is obvious from the linked site, electricians and plumbers are not regarded as "construction workers."


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The US median wage? According to whom?

And, it's not "skilled trades" but "jobs in construction," construction workers, which author of the remark Stephen E. Sandherr was talking about. As described in the link I provide. . .

Job Description for Construction Worker
A construction worker typically works as part of a team on a construction site (such as for a building, home, or other structure).
This person may be responsible for a number of tasks, including carpentry, demolition, drywall, finishing, and roofing.
​

This would exclude electricians, plumbers, tradesmen who need to be licensed throughout the country. Carpenters, drywallers, and roofers may or may not need to be licensed, depending on locality.
According to the website I linked to:

The median wage of a journeyman plumber is $21 an hour. That of a master plumber, $25 (high end, $38)
The median wage of a journeyman electrician is $22 an hour. That of a master electrician, $25 (high end: $40)
​

As is obvious from the linked site, electricians and plumbers are not regarded as "construction workers."


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Sorry Charlie you are somewhat mistaken
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_construction_trades
http://work.chron.com/difference-between-construction-electrician-construction-wireman-21557.html

 

[Twilight Hue]

Please rephrase.


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Tee he...

Coincidence.

 

[metis]

and a opposing view

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435093/barack-obama-economy-jobs-ugly-truth

So, an opinion piece from the "National Review" last May counters real facts in your world? Hey, maybe you should have just posted an opinion from Donald's favorite source of "news": the "National Enquirer".

"Facts" versus "opinion", and I'll take real facts over a right-wing opinion any day of the week.