Did Jesus and St. Paul taught contradictory things?

[nothead]

"Who is my mother? Who are my brothers? ... Whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven is my brother, sister, and mother" (Matthew 12:48-50).
Rabbi Neusner says that on many occasions Jesus seems to invite transgression of the fourth commandment, which says that we must honor our father and mother.
Jesus asks one to forget about burying his own father and elsewhere he says that whoever loves father and mother more than him is not worthy of him.
. "Who is my mother? Who are my brothers? ... Whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven is my brother, sister, and mother" (Matthew 12:48-50).
Rabbi Neusner asks whether he has a right to do this. This spiritual family already existed: It was the people of Israel, united by observance of the Torah, that is, the Mosaic law.
A son was only permitted to leave his father's house to study the Torah. But Jesus does not say, "Whoever loves father or mother more than the Torah is not worthy of the Torah." He says, "Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me." He puts himself in the place of the Torah.

You are only stating the Core of Shema. God comes first. Know Shema and then know the proper channels of authority. Amen.

But also know that to bind to Shema may mean breaking a lower law in order to do it.
Thus Jesus own mother said he sinned by not saying he was in the Temple as they were preparing to leave Jerusalem. He said he sinned not. Who was right? Yes he did "dishonor" his mother and father by neglecting them IN LIEU of Shema.

 

[nothead]

made an apostle by his own testimony, Yeshua and his apostles never made him one

The Council of Jerusalem affirmed him. ALLLLL the disciples there, genius.

 

[nothead]

For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: Mark 7:10

"For God said, 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,' and, 'HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.' Matt 15:4

16And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” Matt 19: 16-19

Its abundantly clear that Yeshua supported the concept of "honoring our parents". This does not mean that man does not have spiritual obligations to walk in the manner which YHVH chooses. The term "dead" was in relation to someone being spiritually dead.

Elijah did the same thing:

19So he departed from there and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, while he was plowing with twelve pairs of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth. And Elijah passed over to him and threw his mantle on him. 20He left the oxen and ran after Elijah and said, “Please let me kiss my father and my mother, then I will follow you.” And he said to him, “Go back again, for what have I done to you?” 21So he returned from following him, and took the pair of oxen and sacrificed them and boiled their flesh with the implements of the oxen, and gave it to the people and they ate. Then he arose and followed Elijah and ministered to him. 1 Kings 19: 19-21

All this man wanted to do was go back and say bye to his parents…yet this angered Elijah because he was dismissive of the priority and urgency of God's calling. Was Elijah telling Elisha not to honor his Father and Mother??? I think not.

Of course he was, in affirming the higher law.

 

[nothead]

Yes, revelatory and contrary to everything in the Torah and Yeshua's words. Hmmm.

Who among the saints DENOUNCED Paul? Either first gen or second, in Christianity?

 

[nothead]

"If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true. John 5: 31

Even Paul knew this. If he hadna his commands by Jesus in Spirit, he wouldna not went on with his notheaded ways.

 

[Robert.Evans]

When Jesus gave the sermon on the mount I think it was his wish that Christians should follow the Mosaic law word to word till heaven and earth exists but most Christians today cite St. Paul to escape from following the Jewish Law. Did Jesus and St. Paul taught different things?

After the crucifixion (which was the point when all things were fulfilled) the law could change as there was a new priesthood (Hebrews). So Paul expanded the law of the saviour after that point.

 

[Robert.Evans]

If it's between Jesus and Saul/Paul, I would just defer to Paul.

That is a brave thing to say! I can see what you mean however, I think. Paul expanded the law which was now able to do after the crucifixion. Thus the saviour worked through Paul. Paul became a mirror of the saviour, for he said, I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

That is a brave thing to say! I can see what you mean however, I think. Paul expanded the law which was now able to do after the crucifixion. Thus the saviour worked through Paul. Paul became a mirror of the saviour, for he said, I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.

It was not the apostle Paul who "expanded" the law. It was another of the apostles who did that.

 

[BummerBeavis]

The Council of Jerusalem affirmed him. ALLLLL the disciples there, genius.

so you can not refute me with the bible what so ever. next thing your going to say is Bill Clinton and Hillary affirmed Saul as an apostle.

 

[nothead]

That is a brave thing to say! I can see what you mean however, I think. Paul expanded the law which was now able to do after the crucifixion. Thus the saviour worked through Paul. Paul became a mirror of the saviour, for he said, I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.

Jesus also indicated the Law was laxed, in it's own SEVERITY. Not in it's own DOABILITY, as the hard sayings attest.

The Adulterous woman was not stoned in his presence, but he did tell her to sin no more. Peter receives a dream which should have indicated to him the Merciful Law is still hard to do, but the STING of not doing it has an out, or rather a way out.
Repentance and faith, a belief in Jesus which brings both another cleaning and POWER, or the Paraclete indwelling in which to conform. Peter should also have known the laxing of ceremonial law, eating law and Temple Law. In fact the destruction of the Temple made Temple Law moot. Also circumcision of the penis was moot, since the Circumcision of the Heart, Deut 30 did come.

 

[nothead]

so you can not refute me with the bible what so ever. next thing your going to say is Bill Clinton and Hillary affirmed Saul as an apostle.

Name one disagree-er of Paul and his rebuke to the Pillar, Peter. Was the Council of Jerusalem concluded in harmony or not? The first and last to do so, sir.

 

[nothead]

It was not the apostle Paul who "expanded" the law. It was another of the apostles who did that.

Jesus expanded the Law by defining it in righteous order. Mk 12 the first and second commands. The Golden Rule encapsulating the Ten. All else HANGING upon the Shema and the Golden Rule. And now to insist upon the lesser laws inSTEAD of these fundamental ones is sin.

 

[BummerBeavis]

Name one disagree-er of Paul and his rebuke to the Pillar, Peter. Was the Council of Jerusalem concluded in harmony or not? The first and last to do so, sir.

i care not what that council said! who were they that makes them above the scripture? you want to reject God's 10 so you advocate for the self proclaimed apostle over what Yeshua and the real ones taught about keeping the 10

 

[Robert.Evans]

i care not what that council said! who were they that makes them above the scripture? you want to reject God's 10 so you advocate for the self proclaimed apostle over what Yeshua and the real ones taught about keeping the 10

Who were they? The council of Acts 15 were some of it not all of, the twelve. You wish to ignore them as well. All these people are supposed to be your brothers, yet you say they are not it seems.
Paul was the one who expanded the understanding of the law once they had the freedom to do so after the crucifixion when there was a new priesthood and a change in the Law (Hebrews)

 

[BummerBeavis]

i care not what that council said! who were they that makes them above the scripture? you want to reject God's 10 so you advocate for the self proclaimed apostle over what Yeshua and the real ones taught about keeping the 10

 

[BummerBeavis]

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that council never was about making paul an apostle. it was about dietary laws and circumcision. at least you gave up trying to confirm that liar with the bible

 

[Robert.Evans]

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that council never was about making paul an apostle. it was about dietary laws and circumcision. at least you gave up trying to confirm that liar with the bible

That liar, as you call him, was accepted by the lord. That liar, as you call him, was greeted by the council which included the twelve. That liar, as you call him, was given the right hand of fellowship. Think again.

 

[BummerBeavis]

That liar, as you call him, was accepted by the lord. That liar, as you call him, was greeted by the council which included the twelve. That liar, as you call him, was given the right hand of fellowship. Think again.

then you should be able to prove that by the bible. then you send me to waste my time looking into that council that did not prove anything but Paul taught contrary to the real apostles to eating food sacrificed to idols. never once could you refute that Yeshua and his apostles never confirmed paul as an apostle. they chose Mathias. sounds like you just want to have pauls gospel instead of what Yeshua taught.

 

[Robert.Evans]

then you should be able to prove that by the bible. then you send me to waste my time looking into that council that did not prove anything but Paul taught contrary to the real apostles to eating food sacrificed to idols. never once could you refute that Yeshua and his apostles never confirmed paul as an apostle. they chose Mathias. sounds like you just want to have pauls gospel instead of what Yeshua taught.

There was a difference after the crucifixion which you don't seem to appreciate!

 

[nothead]

i care not what that council said! who were they that makes them above the scripture? you want to reject God's 10 so you advocate for the self proclaimed apostle over what Yeshua and the real ones taught about keeping the 10

They did not say NOT to keep the Ten, dude.

Acts 15

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Neither did they say NOT to keep Shema or the Encapsulation of the Ten by Jesus, the Golden Rule. His second command, Mk 12.