Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

[Riders]

Why don't you simply try reading the Bible and ask Jesus to show you whether it is true or not. Jesus preformed all kinds of miracles, yet people still refused to believe. Miracles are not enough if some does not want to know the truth.

Jesus was around, there is some proof of a guy named Jesus but hes not God, the old testament says not to worship false God or a man, Jesus is an idol why would I pray to him? Hes a Pagan God myth.

 

[Riders]

Why don't you simply try reading the Bible and ask Jesus to show you whether it is true or not. Jesus preformed all kinds of miracles, yet people still refused to believe. Miracles are not enough if some does not want to know the truth.

THose same miracles have been reported in different religions.

 

[whirlingmerc]

There are many claims to miracles and some may be akin to the miracles of the magicians of Pharaoh It boils down to darkness or light. What is the fruit of them?

"You shall know them by their fruit" Jesus

 

[Riders]

HAre Krishna did all the same miracles Jesus did. Here are some of the similarities between Jesus and Krishna.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jckr1.htm

 

[Riders]

There are many claims to miracles and some may be akin to the miracles of the magicians of Pharaoh It boils down to darkness or light. What is the fruit of them?

"You shall know them by their fruit" Jesus

The fruit is by the love they have for one another.....thats the scripture and every other religion has these fruits too.

 

[Thief]

No, stories. Anyone can write stories.

so much for reading the bible
or quoting it

and so much for following the example the Carpenter made

a skillful application of metaphor is handy....now and then

 

[Thief]

Believers. They believe things.
Just not science.

I believe in God

because of science

 

[Trailblazer]

and so much for following the example the Carpenter made

a skillful application of metaphor is handy....now and then

Yes, metaphors are good, they are very handy.
The problems arise when we interpret them literally.

 

[whirlingmerc]

The fruit is by the love they have for one another.....thats the scripture and every other religion has these fruits too.

And loving your enemy?
Loving who the world sees as loveless
Most people love their own peep

Eight Reasons Why I Believe That Jesus Rose from the Dead

 

[Left Coast]

Listen to the testimonies of a variety of witnesses in a courtroom concerning any event and you will hear various details presented about the same event. This is not inconsistency, but rather gives credibility to the accounts as each person expresses or highlights things a little differently from their own perspective or what stood out to them, yet with a consistency concerning the main theme of the event.

First, it's important to note that the Gospels are not eyewitness accounts. They don't even claim to be. We don't know who wrote them.
Second, if you interview four people and they give completely different accounts of virtually every detail of a series of alleged events (particularly a completely extraordinary, implausible series of alleged events like a miracle), that is absolutely reason to be skeptical of what is being claimed. Who would forget whether they struck up a conversation with one or two angels? Who would forget whether they arrived at a tomb and the stone was already rolled away, or an angel flew down out of the sky and moved it in front of them? Who would forget whether they told anyone about these events?
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If every gospel account was precisely identical down to the detail, then I'd say you would have reason to wonder about the truthfulness of the accounts.

Ah okay. So then I assume you wonder about the truthfulness of the sections of the Gospels where they literally quote one another verbatim?

The scriptures state that Jesus appeared alive to more than 500 people, on twelve separate occasions, even talking, walking, and eating with some of these people.

Yes, I know the Scriptures claim these things. The question is whether those claims are true.

I conclude the Bible is reliable because it makes sense and is set in historical context, provides real names of people and places and other details which the writers including for the very purpose of giving validity to their testimonies.

Including the names of real people and places in a story does not mean the content of the story is actually true. Novelists do that all the time.

There were plenty of those around who were hostile to Jesus and the resurrection who could have very easily disproved the gospel accounts, were they not true and the early church would never have gotten started. But the resurrection of Christ was not disproved then because it did take place and even the enemies of Jesus knew it had, so they tried to hide it and then began the persecution of the first Jewish followers of Christ.

Wishful thinking. Christianity began as a tiny mystery cult that the broader culture didn't know/care about for quite some time. There were a number of mystery cults that had popped up around that time in Near East; Christianity was just another in the same line. The church was also around for decades or longer before what we know as the Gospels were written down. Pagans would not be expected to spend their time "disproving" the claims of some tiny Jewish sect who claimed their founder came back from the dead and levitated up to heaven decades ago. They wouldn't spend any more time on such claims than you would if you encountered the same claims from some start-up religion today.

I am a born again believer. That means that at one time I did not understand, nor trust in Christ or the Bible. But at the point I did see my need for a Savior and believe it was Jesus, my eyes were opened to the scriptures, their accuracy, truthfulness, and the theme of God's redemption throughout.

This is helpful information, thank you. Your belief in the accuracy of the Bible stemmed from an initial theological belief in your perceived need to be "saved." That helps me understand your perspective.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hardly

and the Brooklyn Papyris is evidence of a group of slaves with Jewish names at the time

How does that support the myth? And no link to a valid source. For the Exodus more than a handful of Jewish slaves are needed.

 

[whirlingmerc]

How does that support the myth? And no link to a valid source. For the Exodus more than a handful of Jewish slaves are needed.

I'm a bit surprised you're not familiar with the Brooklyn Papyrus
perhaps you've been mythinformed
Hebrews in Egypt before the Exodus? Evidence from Papyrus Brooklyn | APXAIOC

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm a bit surprised you're not familiar with the Brooklyn Papyrus
perhaps you've been mythinformed
Hebrews in Egypt before the Exodus? Evidence from Papyrus Brooklyn | APXAIOC

So not a valid source. A handful of possible Jewish names is extremely weak evidence for the Exodus.

 

[whirlingmerc]

So not a valid source. A handful of possible Jewish names is extremely weak evidence for the Exodus.

Hardly so but reasons to believe are far more than that, it's in the fruit of lives well lived in Christ

 

[ManSinha]

A kid fell through the ice on a lake, drowned, and was dead when he was pulled out almost half an hour later, yet he was resuscitated and is alive today. Did he come back to life from the dead ?

I can answer that - that kid was most likely not dead - in a situation best described as the survival story of Captain America - being hypothermic slows every process in the body down such that hypothermic protocols (intentional cooling) are used to preserve brain function in individuals with cardiac arrest or serious trauma until they can be healed or their bodies can support brain function. Gradual rewarming with monitoring of the heart function is the key but the facts that this was a kid (=small body surface area) who fell into an icy lake (hypothermia = likely preserved brain function) does the trick. No return from the dead here. I helped write some of the earliest protocols at the hospital ICU I used to work at.

Which is the definition of "brain death" includes "at normal temperature"

 

[InChrist]

First, it's important to note that the Gospels are not eyewitness accounts. They don't even claim to be. We don't know who wrote them. ​

I disagree and believe the gospels are eyewitness accounts and they do make that claim.

The Case for the Eyewitness Status of the Gospel Authors - Break Point.

Second, if you interview four people and they give completely different accounts of virtually every detail of a series of alleged events (particularly a completely extraordinary, implausible series of alleged events like a miracle), that is absolutely reason to be skeptical of what is being claimed. Who would forget whether they struck up a conversation with one or two angels? Who would forget whether they arrived at a tomb and the stone was already rolled away, or an angel flew down out of the sky and moved it in front of them? Who would forget whether they told anyone about these events?

"By any reasonable evaluation, the resurrection accounts from the four Gospels are superbly consistent eyewitness testimonies. The central truths - that Jesus was resurrected from the dead and that the resurrected Jesus appeared to many people - are clearly taught in each of the four Gospels. The apparent inconsistencies are in "side issues." How many angels did they see in the tomb, one or two? (Perhaps one person only saw one angel, while the other person saw two angels.) To how many women did Jesus appear, and to whom did He appear first? (While each Gospel has a slightly different sequence to the appearances, none of them claims to be giving the precise chronological order.) So, while the resurrection accounts may seem to be inconsistent, it cannot be proven that the accounts are contradictory."
Can the various resurrection accounts from the four Gospels be harmonized?

Wishful thinking. Christianity began as a tiny mystery cult that the broader culture didn't know/care about for quite some time. There were a number of mystery cults that had popped up around that time in Near East; Christianity was just another in the same line. The church was also around for decades or longer before what we know as the Gospels were written down. Pagans would not be expected to spend their time "disproving" the claims of some tiny Jewish sect who claimed their founder came back from the dead and levitated up to heaven decades ago. They wouldn't spend any more time on such claims than you would if you encountered the same claims from some start-up religion today.

Not quite. The life of Jesus Christ had a huge impact upon the world the from the moment He arrived starting in Bethlehem and from the start His life, His ministry and then the spread of the gospel by the apostles was noticed and met with extreme resistance by many of those in religious or governmental authority.

Historical Influence of Jesus

 

[ManSinha]

Why would they suffer and die for something if they knew it was no more than a lie?

Humans across many cultures and throughout history have been willing to die for honestly misguided reasons

@Left Coast is absolutely right - I can prove it without a shadow of doubt - third person accounts - by British diplomats written of unspeakable tortures that some of my people underwent rather than convert to Islam in northern India in the eighteenth century. Including little children. So who knows what motivates such people - if you need evidence or proof of these happenings I can provide them from multiple separate sources including some by islamic authors.

 

[Riders]

And loving your enemy?
Loving who the world sees as loveless
Most people love their own peep

Eight Reasons Why I Believe That Jesus Rose from the Dead

Other religions teach that also. I have heard Leah remini talk about the fact that Scientology has taken in drug addicts before and given them housing and got them off drugs so yes........

 

[ManSinha]

but non-Christians believe in the resurrection. Look at all the people who celebrate Easter

That is a rather ...... remarkable linkage - more people celebrate Christmas than Easter - there is big money involved - and holidays in many areas - that is what motivates a fair bit of the celebration.

 

[ManSinha]

That is not my perspective. I believe the gospels were written before 70 AD before the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. Otherwise, an event this majorwould have been mentioned.

Do you remember what you had for breakfast a month ago? Do most people? - memory is not really as good as it is made out to be