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did Jesus ever say he was god?

Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
is there any verse in the bible that says something like:

i jesus, the father or something similar to this?

if jesus is god, there should be a verse like that in the bible right?

now i personally do not know nything about the bible, but am curious about this.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
eselam said:
is there any verse in the bible that says something like:

i jesus, the father or something similar to this?

if jesus is god, there should be a verse like that in the bible right?

now i personally do not know nything about the bible, but am curious about this.
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No, because Jesus is not the Father. Nor is the Father the Son. But both are God.

Not necessarily. The Bible does not contain everything.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
HipHopAvenger said:
And are they equal?
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The Father and the Son are coequal. God and Jesus are not.

The distinction lies in the fact that Jesus is both fully human and fully Divine. Therefore, the Son (Divine) is coequal with the Father (also Divine).
Jesus (human) is subordinate to God (Divine).
 
Mister Emu

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Indeed... they are equal...

As far as Jesus saying He is God... he says "I and the Father are one"...
 
te_lanus

te_lanus

Alien Hybrid
i say they are not equal. my reason is that if he was then why would he pray unto the father to send the comforter to us. clearly stating that he and the father is not equal.

this is but one example that the gospels are full of
 
Scott1

Scott1

Well-Known Member
HipHopAvenger said:
Which of them will be God during the End of the Days?Father or Son?
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To whom are you asking this question?

My belief is that "...the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son."(Council of Florence - 1442) so one God during the "End of the Days" or any other time in the future.
 
iloveislam

iloveislam

Muslim
Contrary to the Christians claims, Jesus (peace be upon him) according to the Bible says:

“And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” [Matthew 19:16-17]

Here Jesus is asking them a rhetorical question "why are you calling me good?"

"And he then says "There is none good but one, that is, God"

This is the same as the Islamic testimony "There is no god but One God (Allah)."
 
Scott1

Scott1

Well-Known Member
iloveislam said:
Contrary to the Christians claims, Jesus (peace be upon him) according to the Bible says:
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I respect your desire to shape the text to promote your religion, I don't think it's quite that easy to dismiss the Biblical examples of the divinity of Christ:

Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to Himself.
Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."
Matt. 7:21-22; Luke 6:46 - not everyone who says to Jesus, "Lord, Lord." Jesus calls Himself Lord, which is God.
Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.
Matt. 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 - Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath." He is the Lord of God's law which means He is God.
Matt. 18:20 - Jesus says where two or three are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst of them.
Matt. 21:3; Luke 19:31,34 - Jesus calls himself "Lord." "The Lord has need of them."
Matt. 26:64; Mark 14:62; Luke 22:70 - Jesus acknowledges that He is the Son of God.
Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.

So.... Jesus is either divine (read: GOD) or a heretical nut.... certainly not merely a prophet.

And FYI, long before the Bible, Christians believed in the divinity of Christ:
“We have also as a Physician the Lord our God, Jesus the Christ, the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin." Ignatius of Antioch, To the Ephesians, 7 (A.D. 110).

"For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God." Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 121 (A.D. 155).


Peace be with you,
Scott
 
Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
sojourner said:
The Father and the Son are coequal. God and Jesus are not.
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why are they not?

us humans are equal, equality is a big part in having a good bussines run smooth.

since they are not equal, who is the biggest share holder out of the 2? i'm guessing god, which means he calls the shots, is this correct?

The distinction lies in the fact that Jesus is both fully human and fully Divine. Therefore, the Son (Divine) is coequal with the Father (also Divine).
Jesus (human) is subordinate to God (Divine).
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isn't it a bit strange to say that a devine being can die?

how can god die? thats impossible.
 
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