Did Jesus say he was God???

[S-word]

No flattery intended!

Denying the virgin birth is to deny the power of God.

S-words Response: Denying the Supposed virgin birth is acknowledging that Jesus came as a Human Being, which the enemies of Christ refuse to acknowledge.

quote=look3467; First Adam was a virgin vessel, meaning a clay vessel without life until God breath life into it of which became a living soul.

Second Adam type, of the same lump of clay, the human womb, God breath life again and Jesus became a living soul.

Now of the two Adam types, the first brought life in the flesh an death, the second brought life in the spirit.

Therefore, there remains two distinct births, the first which is natural, and the second which is life.

S-words Response: Absolute, unadulterated, meaningless, mush.

quote=look3467; Jesus who brought life via the virgin birth with full power of the God head bodily, was the first to resurrect to life, of which we can say, the beginning of life starts with the second Adam and not the first, for the first, which is natural dies. S-words Response:In other words, what you are saying, is that no human being has ever been raised from death into eternal life, but instead, you claim that the immortal god who crawled into the womb of some supposed Virgin, returned to his original abode after the death of the humanlike body that his god had created for him was destroyed, which body, was not a Human being descended from Adam, with the inherited sin of Adam.

The Hebrew word for "Virgin" is "Bethulah," which is used in every instance in the Old Testament where a woman who has never had sexual intercourse with a man is mentioned. If it was the Lord's intention to convey, through his prophet Isaiah, the message that a virgin would be with child, Isaiah would have used this term, but as that was never the intention of the Lord, the word "Almah" which means “an unmarried female” would be with child and bear a son, was used.

The great lie that our Lord God and saviour has never raised a man from death, was spread throughout the earth by the disciples of the Anti-Christ, who refuse to acknowledge that Jesus came as a Human Being descended from Adam and born of human parents as verified by scripture. No where in the Bible will you find that a virgin gave birth, except where the Hebrew word for "Unmarried woman," was erroneously translated to virgin.

Acts 17: 31; “For He (Who I Am) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone, by raising that man (Jesus) from death.”

quote=look3467; If this statement is true: Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

S-words Response: The one and only God, is He in whom all exist and evolve, and our evolution within the singularity that is God, is the evolution of God the Mind/Spirit, who is the beginning and end of all and the compilation of all that exists in the eternal evolution. And He is the same today as He was yesterday and will be into all eternity. He is the only "Constant" in that he is constantly evolving.

Show to me a mind which has ceased to evolve, and I will show to you a mind that has ceased to exist. For he is the First and the Last, the Beginning and End, the Alpha and Omega, the Father and Son. The Omega, who is the spirit that is currently developing within the body of mankind and is born into the invisible fourth dimension that co-exists within this the visible three dimensional world, (For the kingdom of God is within us) with the death of the sinful body in which he develops, is the one who comes down to be united with his origin before we were even created, and he knows everything that every man had ever done in his past. And all the sin of the body in which He developed, has been ascribed to him.

quote=look3467; The end of (Death and hell)the beginning was at the cross, and the beginning of life was born at the cross, and it was stated as "It is finished" and it stands as an ensign for all the world to see. (The cross)

S-words Response: Moses asked God for his name in order that he might be able to tell the Israelites in Egypt, who had sent him. And God said; Exodus 3: 14; "I Am Who I Am." You must tell them: 'The one who is called "I AM" has sent me to you.' Tell the Israelites that I, the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them.

Acts 3: 13; "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of your ancestors, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus." He who we once knew as a man, is now incontestably divine.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name etc.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, Just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "Blessed is he, who comes in the name of the Lord." Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had prophesied that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

Romans 8: 11; If the spirit of God, who raised Jesus from death, lives in you, then he who raised Christ from death will also give life to your mortal bodies by the presence of his spirit in you

Act 17: 31; For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death.

Jesus is not the God of our ancestors; he is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as is proved conclusively by the Holy Scriptures.
Jesus who was filled with the spirit of our Lord God and Saviour, (The Omega, who is the Son of Man) and Jesus was the obedient host body chosen by our Lord and saviour, who did nothing nor spoke one word on his own authority, but only that which our Lord and saviour commanded in order that our Lord might reveal himself through his earthly image, 'the man Jesus,' and in the same manner that Moses lifted up the image of the serpent in the wilderness, so too, the image of the Son of Man had to be lifted up, in order that those who were dying because of the venom of the old serpent that is coursing through their veins, only have to look to his image that was lifted up, in order to be saved.

 

[look3467]

but instead, you claim that the immortal god who crawled into the womb of some supposed Virgin

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Using such terminology buys you no credit, for it is disrespectful to the belief of others.

As I respect your views as your own and argue only my presentation.

the word "Almah" which means “an unmarried female” would be with child and bear a son, was used.

Using your words here is exactly what was meant. Ref:Zec 9:6 And a ******* shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines.

If Jesus was born of Joseph as the father, then Jesus would have been legitimate.
But because Joseph has no relations with Jesus, Jesus was considered illegitimate by the then point of view.

So, it is understandable why the virgin birth is not accepted.

OK, after reading the rest of your post, I will cease to continue argument with you in that in my view, God already paid for your soul, so that I am not worried about your salvation.

So, I leave you to your views and still remain your brother in brotherly love.

blessings, AJ

 

[S-word]

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Using such terminology buys you no credit, for it is disrespectful to the belief of others.

S-words Response:When those beliefs are based on a lie, it is not being disrespectful.

quote=look3467; As I respect your views as your own and argue only my presentation.

S-words Response:Well I’m sorry my dear friend, but I have no respect for lies and ignorance.

quote=look3467; Using your words here is exactly what was meant. Ref:Zec 9:6 And a ******* shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines.

S-words Response:Ashdod, a town of the Philistines, is now called Asdud and is about 30 miles from the southern frontier of Canaan, about midway between Gaza and Joppa. There is absolutely no record of Jesus ever visiting that town. Your feeble attempt to link Zechariah 9: 6; to Jesus, is just another example of your bad habit of taking scripture out of context. Zechariah 9: 6; according to the Good News Bible, Catholic Study Edition, Imprimatur by Archbishop John Whealon. “People of mixed race will live in Ashdod. The Lord says, “I will humble these proud Philistines.” You really do need a tutor my friend, as you have no understanding of God’s Holy Scriptures.

quote=look3467; If Jesus was born of Joseph as the father, then Jesus would have been legitimate.
But because Joseph has no relations with Jesus, Jesus was considered illegitimate by the then point of view.
So, it is understandable why the virgin birth is not accepted.

S-words Response:The virgin birth is accepted by absolutely millions and millions of poor gullible souls including yourself, that have been deceived by the disciples of the Anti-Christ, who refuse to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being.

When you speak of Joseph, which Joseph are you referring to? Joseph the son of Jacob from the tribe of Judah whose genealogy is recorded in Matthew 1; and who is about the 24th descendant of Solomon the son of David and Bathsheba, and who has no genetic association to Jesus as he never had any sexual contact with Mary until she had given birth to Jesus, the first of her three biological sons, which means that Jesus was illegitimate.

Or Joseph the Levite from Cyprus, who was the half brother to Mary and the biological father of Jesus as verified in Luke 3: 23; Jesus is about the 40th descendant of Nathan the chosen priest to God’s chosen King, who was not only the step son of King David, but also his son-in-law. And Jesus was the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, the descendant of Nathan the son of Bathsheba and Uriah the Hittite, who became a member of the tribe of Levi by his marriage to Bathsheba the daughter of Ammiel, the son of Obed-Edom, who is a descendant of Moses the Levite through his second wife who was the daughter of Hobab the Kennite, one of the two father-in-laws of Moses, Jethro the priest of Midian being the father of the first wife of Moses.

Jesus, was never actually crowned as King, but as he was genetically of the tribe of Levi, and by marriage, a son of the tribe of Judah, he was chosen as high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek, with these words, “You are my son, “Today I have become your father.” See Hebrew 5: 5. As Melchizedek was both king and the spiritual centre of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so too, now is Jesus, who was chosen as his son and heir.

quote=look3467; OK, after reading the rest of your post, I will cease to continue argument with you in that in my view, God already paid for your soul, so that I am not worried about your salvation.

So, I leave you to your views and still remain your brother in brotherly love.

S-words Response: This is the best idea that you have put forward so far, if you are content to live in the great lie, so be it, goodbye dear friend.

 

[look3467]

S-words Response: This is the best idea that you have put forward so far, if you are content to live in the great lie, so be it, goodbye dear friend.

See you in heaven one day!

Blessings, AJ

 

[S-word]

Whatever. Goodbye my friend.

 

[look3467]

Whatever. Goodbye my friend.

May the Lord richly bless you and keep you in His sight.

Blessings, AJ

 

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Jesus said whatever YOU interpret him as having said.

 

[look3467]

Jesus said whatever YOU interpret him as having said.

Only the heart knows!

Blessings, AJ

 

[S-word]

May the Lord richly bless you and keep you in His sight.

Blessings, AJ

He has and will continue to do so, as long as I remain true to "Who I Am."

I've left them in the desert, on the beach and in the snow
On the mountain tops, the river beds, in fact everywhere I go
Tiny footprints --- Indentations --- to mark the pathways that I've trod
Yet they vanish to the sight of all, except the piercing eye of God
And he's always been beside me, since the day I ceased to crawl
He watched me take my first small step, saw me stumble, saw me fall
Life lets me make my own mistakes, and god--- how many have I made?
But thank the Lord I've learned from them, that's how life's game is played.
The life I've lived, the guilt, the shame, but I wouldn't change a dot
For it's made me who I am today and to me that means a lot.
O, I'll never be an Einstein, a Rembrandt, or Khayyam
But I've gained a greater inner peace, and I'm content with who I am
Undoubtedly, I'll fall again, Mistakes will knock me off my feet
But they'll be new encounters mate, Past sins I'll not repeat
For I store the memory of my crimes, like others store their gold
And my treasure house keeps growing, as my future life unfolds. .....By S-word.

And now I will say goodbye to you for the last time inthis particular thread, Goodbye my friend.

 

[S-word]

Jesus said whatever YOU interpret him as having said.

Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word of God, and concerning the Bread/words that came down from heaven, Solomon has this to say in "The Wisdon of Solomon," 16: 20-21; "Instead wherefore thou gavest thy people angels food to eat, and bread ready for use didst thou provide from heaven without their toil, Bread having the virture of every pleasant savour, and agreeing to every taste; for thy substance manifested thy sweetness toward thy children, Ministering to the desire of the eater, and transforming itself according to every man's choice."

Although to the people it exhibited exotic flavours in order that they should eat of it without compaint, Moses describes it as having a very plain and down to earth taste, as that of bread cooked in olive oil.

 

[Muffled]

Based on the passages given then we can only see a contradiction in the bible. Some passages saying he is and others saying he isnt God. That or the passages must be combined to makes sense. Lets look at it this way. If I have a kid. Am I the son or the father. Depending on the situation. I could be the son or the father or both. If my father says I am the son and my son I am the father. They are both correct. Some passages speak of Jesus being the son and some of him being the father, but if you are saying that only the passages you have pointed out are correct. Then we need to look at the bible itself and see how correct it is.

The only passages in the Bible that I see that say Jesus isn't God come from men who didn't know God.

 

[S-word]

The only passages in the Bible that I see that say Jesus isn't God come from men who didn't know God.

Moses asked God for his name in order that he might be able to tell the Israelites in Egypt, who had sent him. And God said; Exodus 3: 14; "I Am Who I Am." You must tell them: 'The one who is called "I AM" has sent me to you.' Tell the Israelites that I, the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them.

Acts 3: 13; "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of your ancestors, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name etc.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, Just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "Blessed is he, who comes in the name of the Lord." Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had prophesied that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

Acts 3: 13; :For the God of our ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, (Who had promised that he would raise up a man from among the Israelites and send him to the people to speak in his Name) has given divine glory to his servant Jesus.

Act 17: 31; For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death.

Jesus is not the God of our ancestors, he is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as is proved conclusively by the Holy Scriptures.

Now, having proved through scripture that the man Jesus was not God our lord and saviour, who raised him from death as the first fruits to be harvested from the body of mankind, and knowing that Jesus said that the words that he spoke were not his words, but the words of our Lord God and saviour, who will raise us to life as he has risen our brother Jesus, show to me, where it is said that the man Jesus is God.

Jesus, who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only those words that he, Who was sent to speak in the name of the Lord our God and saviour, spoke only the words of the Lord our God and saviour that he was commanded to say.

When you quote the words spoken through the mouth of Jesus, you are quoting the words of my Lord and saviour, who lays down his life for us and who revealed himself to us through his earthly image, his faithful and obedient servant, to whom he has given divine glory, and He, who we once knew as a man, is now incontestably divine and sits in the throne of my Lord.

And in the same manner that Moses lifted up the image of the serpent in the wilderness, so too the image of the Son of Man had to be lifted up, in order that those who are dying because of the venom of the old serpent that is coursing through their veins, only have to look to the earthly Image which has been lifted up, of he who had once thought to place his throne above that of his Father, He, who, after being brought to perfection, cried out through the mouth of his obedient servant, "Father! Give me glory in your presence now, the same glory I had with you before the world began.".

 

[Muffled]

Did Jesus ever say that he was God? No he did not!

Moses asked God for his name in order that he might be able to tell the Israelites in Egypt, who had sent him. And God said; Exodus 3: 14; "I Am Who I Am." You must tell them: 'The one who is called "I AM" has sent me to you.' Tell the Israelites that I, the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them.

Acts 3: 13; "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of your ancestors, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus." He who we once knew as a man, is now incontestably divine.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name etc.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, Just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "Blessed is he, who comes in the name of the Lord." Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had prophesied that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

Romans 8: 11; If the spirit of God, who raised Jesus from death, lives in you, then he who raised Christ from death will also give life to your mortal bodies by the presence of his spirit in you

Act 17: 31; For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death.

Jesus is not the God of our ancestors; he is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as is proved conclusively by the Holy Scriptures.

That is just your opinion. I have proved otherwise.

I have proven that Jesus said that He is Jehovah.

This is a misquote. The word divine is not in the scripture that you were referencing. The idea that a man was made divine is an unproven speculation.

Jesus says "Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am."

There is no reference in the passage you quoted to Jesus as one of those prophets. However is not God speaking the word of God as prophets except for the fact that He does not need to say "God said."

People are idiots.

This does not prove that Jesus isn't God. It proves that God came in the flesh.

I have debunked all your so called proofs.

 

[Muffled]

Good question.....so many people over the ages, written and re written of the bible hid the real meaning of what Jesus really meant..is it possible Jesus meant that...everyone is their own God ?....I am God and therefore you are God too..

God is God wherever He is. In the Son of God, He is God. When we allow Him to be in control, He is God in us. However, I am never God. I know that I am a creation.

 

[S-word]

That is just your opinion. I have proved otherwise.


S-words Response; You have proven nothing, my muddled, I mean muffled friend.

Quote=Muffled; I have proven that Jesus said that He is Jehovah.

S-words response; It was our Lord God and saviour who said through the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus, that He was “I Am Who I Am/Jehovah” I prove nothing, but the lords word proves that Jehovah chose Jesus as the one who he would send in his name, “I Am Who I Am,” to speak only those words that “I Am Who I Am/Jehovah, commanded him to say.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name etc.

Quote=Muffled; This is a misquote. The word divine is not in the scripture that you were referencing. The idea that a man was made divine is an unproven speculation.

S-words Response; Depending on which translation you quote from. The KJV, translates the word as “Glorified,” whereas the Good News Bible, catholic Study Edition. Imprimatur by Archbishop John Whealon, translated the word as “Divine.” Although in other places it has been translated as “Glorified” one of many is John 7: 39; At that time the spirit had not been given, because (The Man) Jesus had not yet been glorified,(By our Lord and saviour) or in other words, ‘Had not yet been given divine glory.

Quote=Muffled; Jesus says "Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am."

S-words Response; John 8: 58; The Lord God our saviour, through the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus, who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and saviour, said unto them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, “I AM.”


Quote=Muffled; There is no reference in the passage you quoted to Jesus as one of those prophets.

S-words Response; Sorry old mate, but Peter confirms in acts 3: 22; that Jesus was the Man /prophet that Jehovah/Who I Am, was referring to.

Quote=Muffled; However is not God speaking the word of God as prophets except for the fact that He does not need to say "God said."

S-words Response; He is not God. He was the man chosen from among the Israelites, who was sent to speak in the name of the Lord, and had no need to say, “God said.”

The people of his day knew he was not Jehovah, the Lord our saviour, when they cried out, “Blessed is He, who comes in the name of the Lord.” His cousin John the Baptist, knew for a certainty that he was not Jehovah God, he even ended up by having doubts whether he was the one that the Lord our saviour had promised that he would send, when he sent his disciples to his cousin Jesus to ask whether he was in fact the promised one, or if they had to wait for another.

Quote=Muffled; People are idiots.

S-words Response; I hope that you include yourself among those people.

Quote=Muffled; This does not prove that Jesus isn't God. It proves that God came in the flesh.

S-words Response; Well you’ve certainly shown your true colours there haven’t you mate, I see that you believe that an immortal god who was not then named Jesus, came down and entered the womb of some woman, and I suppose you believe that she was a virgin, where his God created for him a human like body that was not of the seed of Adam, from whose loins has issued every human being who has ever walked this earth, which apparently you don’t believe that Jesus was. For if he were a human being, and he was, his death could only pay the blood price for the inherited sin of Adam which all human beings inherit, and all must die once then go off into judgement. It is the Lord our saviour Who revealed himself through his obedient servant Jesus, who lays down his life for us, and is able to raise it up again in the future, when all those who received their sare of his immortal body that was torn asunder and poured out as fire on the heads of all who believed his words as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, will be reborn on earth in the first resurerection and will take the thrones that have been prepsred for them, through who, the Lord our saviour, will judge the whole world with Justice.

1st letter of John 4:1-3; “My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, (My words are spirit) but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know if it is Gods spirit/word: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus came as a human being has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus, does not have the spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the enemy of the anointed one, the Anti-christ etc.”

2nd letter of John verses 7-10; “Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ.”

Quote=Muffled; I have debunked all your so called proofs.

S-words Response; They are not my proofs, but the proofs of the Lord and author of the Bible, how can you debunk his words?

 

[look3467]

"I AM"........................................Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Up an until then His apostles believed Jesus could defend Himself, but when He said "I am", they fell backwards, as in dismay, in disappointment.

So, would it be so hard to believe that even His own apostles abandoned Him at that point?

How much easier would it be to abandon Jesus if, you, were not an apostle?

Blessings, AJ

 

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"I AM"........................................Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Up an until then His apostles believed Jesus could defend Himself, but when He said "I am", they fell backwards, as in dismay, in disappointment.
So, would it be so hard to believe that even His own apostles abandoned Him at that point?
How much easier would it be to abandon Jesus if, you, were not an apostle?
Blessings, AJ

Isn't Jesus addressing the 'men' of John 18v3 at John 18v8 ?
Jesus was Not addressing his disciples.
Rather, Jesus answered the 'men'. In other words, Jesus stepped forward to answer the 'men' in order to protect his disciples.
The 'men' [not disciples] fell backwards to the ground.
Jesus said to the 'men' "I am he" in verses 5,6,8.
The disciples already knew who Jesus was.
At John 6v69 Peter speaking for all 12 said they [we] believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.


Also, 'I am' is not the Tetragrammaton.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Isn't Jesus addressing the 'men' of John 18v3 at John 18v8 ?
Jesus was Not addressing his disciples.
Rather, Jesus answered the 'men'. In other words, Jesus stepped forward to answer the 'men' in order to protect his disciples.
The 'men' [not disciples] fell backwards to the ground.
Jesus said to the 'men' "I am he" in verses 5,6,8.
The disciples already knew who Jesus was.
At John 6v69 Peter speaking for all 12 said they [we] believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.


Also, 'I am' is not the Tetragrammaton.

You will continue to go in circle with this. Thus is the nature of such a debate. Your scriptures plainly show as well as describe the biblical Yeshua as a servant to his god that taught him, commanded of him what he should say, and sent him into the world with a specific task to save the lost people of Israel. He wasn't "God" nor was it something he taught his followers. All who followed him, as we read the four gospels, were not under the impression he was "God" in the flesh.

 

[look3467]

Isn't Jesus addressing the 'men' of John 18v3 at John 18v8 ?
Jesus was Not addressing his disciples.
Rather, Jesus answered the 'men'. In other words, Jesus stepped forward to answer the 'men' in order to protect his disciples.
The 'men' [not disciples] fell backwards to the ground.
Jesus said to the 'men' "I am he" in verses 5,6,8.
The disciples already knew who Jesus was.
At John 6v69 Peter speaking for all 12 said they [we] believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.


Also, 'I am' is not the Tetragrammaton.

I am working on your response to this post. The wall is not directly stated as a wall, but is implied, since it is they which surround Jesus which are taken aback.

There is a reason for it because it has to do with one individual "alone" who is to be responsible for the sins of all humanity, those all others must "fall" away.

Jesus is now alone at which time has come to be offered, and of which was its design.

I will give some ref. a little later.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Muffled]

Jesus said whatever YOU interpret him as having said.

There is a commercial on TV where a daughter says "I was accepted into one of the best schools in the country." The father heard "I was accepted into one of the most expensive schools in the scountry.

The father obviously interpreted what his daughter said according to his own interests but what she actually said was recorded in her brain and she could have written it down. The interpretationis based on inductive reasoning ie the best schools are usually the most expensive schools.

What Jesus said is written down. An interpretation is not the same thing as what Jesus said but there may be some inductive reasoning leading to the interpretation. The question is whether that reasoning is legitimate.

The father in the commercial is jumping to a conclusion. He needs to know what the school is and how much the school charges. Then he can legitimately see that school as one of the most expensive.

Most of the people who have said that Jesus isn't God have jumped to their conclusions without any legitimiate reasoning when they bother to use reason at all.