Did Jesus say he was God???

[Yanni]

Sabbath is for YOUR location, YOUR time zone, not Jerusalem's or England's or Fiji's. Why would the artificial "international date line" have any bearing?

Willful sin and unintentional sin are of two different weights, the former far more severe.

If Sabbath was not known before Moses, was the Distinction between clean and unclean animals known before Noah? If God rested on the 7th day of Creation, does that mean he followed his own Sabbath and thus the Sabbath was in place?

Why do you suppose even the gentiles are supposed to obey when in the LAND of Israel? Even the stranger among us in the Holy Land must obey, so its not just purely a Tribal thing. We are the "Light of the nations", meant to teach gentiles the Torah, though Judaism lost its Prosletyzing spirit after the destruction of the Temple.

My friend, the "stanger among us" is referring to a convert to Judaism; it doesn't refer to any "random" stranger spending some time in Israel. Non-Jews are not required to keep the Sabbath; actually, non-Jews are forbidden to keep the Sabbath in all its laws and details. The Sabbath is a special covenant between the Jews and God in which the Jews bear testimony (through their safeguard of the Sabbath) that God created the universe.
NOTEWORTHY POINT TO ALL READERS: when the Jews would "proselytize," their intention was not to convert non-Jews to Judaism. Our mission from the inception of our nationhood was to spread the knowledge of One God throughout the world of idolatry and to teach the truths of the Torah to all humanity (that is, to teach the world of the 7 Noahide Laws that God expects every human being to obey, which comes from the Torah). God doesn't want the non-Jews to keep all 613 commandments of the Torah (that is, unless a non-Jew wants to convert by his own free will). The unique thing about Judaism is that, unlike many (if not most) religions, Judaism does not say that if your not a Jew, then you're doomed. God has a place for all people in His world and in the World to Come. Non-Jews can earn a place in the World to Come by doing good deeds and by keeping the 7 Noahide Laws. I think God is pretty fair for only requiring the non-Jews to keep 7 laws, while we Jews have to keep 613.

 

[Shermana]

Nonetheless, to be a member of the "Malchezdiek Priesthood" which is what the "Church" is meant to be, gentiles do have to convert to the Torah in its fullness.

 

[Yanni]

Nonetheless, to be a member of the "Malchezdiek Priesthood" which is what the "Church" is meant to be, gentiles do have to convert to the Torah in its fullness.

Now where would you get such an idea as that? From the Torah? I don't think so. Since when did the Church replace the synagogue? Did the great Torah luminaries of the past sanction that? I think naught. When did the bulk of Judaism combine with Christianity? The Torah is eternal, and the Torah even warned of people like Jesus. According to Torah Judaism (which is still alive and thriving to this very day), Jesus was a false prophet, and the Torah forbade us from listening to him, EVEN if he performed miracles and wonders such as healing the sick or walking on water. The fact is that he neglected certain laws of the Torah, and for that he lost his credibility. The "Preisthood" is solely made up of Aharon's descendants, and their service is to be in the Holy Temple (Beis HaMikdash) alone, and not in a Church.

 

[Shermana]

Now where would you get such an idea as that? From the Torah? I don't think so. Since when did the Church replace the synagogue? Did the great Torah luminaries of the past sanction that? I think naught. When did the bulk of Judaism combine with Christianity? The Torah is eternal, and the Torah even warned of people like Jesus. According to Torah Judaism (which is still alive and thriving to this very day), Jesus was a false prophet, and the Torah forbade us from listening to him, EVEN if he performed miracles and wonders such as healing the sick or walking on water. The fact is that he neglected certain laws of the Torah, and for that he lost his credibility. The "Preisthood" is solely made up of Aharon's descendants, and their service is to be in the Holy Temple (Beis HaMikdash) alone, and not in a Church.

What laws did he neglect? The Sabbath? Modern Rabbis allow Surgery on the Sabbath for even non-life threatening illnesses. There is no doubt that anyone who says to disobey a single iota of the Torah is a false prophet, what particularly did Yashua go against?

The bulk of "Christiandom" is not fit for Priesthood in the Malchezdiek order and are little different than Marcion, residue of the Roman orthodox. Have you ever wondered who Malchezdiek was and why he was authorized to perform sacrifices?

 

[Yanni]

What laws did he neglect? The Sabbath? Modern Rabbis allow Surgery on the Sabbath for even non-life threatening illnesses. There is no doubt that anyone who says to disobey a single iota of the Torah is a false prophet, what particularly did Yashua go against?

The bulk of "Christiandom" is not fit for Priesthood in the Malchezdiek order and are little different than Marcion, residue of the Roman orthodox. Have you ever wondered who Malchezdiek was and why he was authorized to perform sacrifices?

How about when he said, "Let the dead bury the dead?" There is a concrete law that one must bury a dead person as soon as possible, no matter what he has to do or where he has to go (even to preach of the "Kingdom of God." Actually, scripture isn't really sure what he actually said, right? I mean, there are least 6 different versions. And about surgery being allowed for non-life threatening illnesses, I'm actually not so sure about that; I will look into it. But are you talking about "modern rabbis" who try to bend the laws for their own comfort, or the Torah rabbis who involve themselves in vigorous Torah study practically 24/7 and only allow modern adaptations that still are bound by the laws? And Jesus was not the Messiah, because he failed to fulfill the criteria for what the Messiah (Mashiach) is supposed to accomplish, and NOWHERE in the Torah (Tanach, or the Mishnah and Gemarah) is there a single reference to the Messiah coming a second time. So this whole concept of a second coming is false and misleading.

 

[Pegg]

How about when he said, "Let the dead bury the dead?" There is a concrete law that one must bury a dead person as soon as possible, no matter what he has to do or where he has to go

Do you really think Jesus was speaking literally? How could a 'dead' person bury anyone?
He was not speaking about the timing of burial at all. He was using hyperbole to make a strong point to a man who wasnt really enthusiastic about devoting time to the service of God.
Jesus was really telling the man that if he wasnt zelous for God, he was spiritually 'dead'

(even to preach of the "Kingdom of God." Actually, scripture isn't really sure what he actually said, right? I mean, there are least 6 different versions.

It is very clear on what Jesus preached.
Matthew 4:17 From that time on Jesus commenced preaching and saying: “Repent, YOU people, for the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.”

Mark 1:14-15 "...Jesus went into Gal′i‧lee, preaching the good news of God 15 and saying: “The appointed time has been fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has drawn near. Be repentant, YOU people, and have faith in the good news.”

Luke 8:1 Shortly afterwards he went journeying from city to city and from village to village, preaching and declaring the good news of the kingdom of God. And the twelve were with him,

and NOWHERE in the Torah (Tanach, or the Mishnah and Gemarah) is there a single reference to the Messiah coming a second time. So this whole concept of a second coming is false and misleading.

In the first instance, the messiah was to be 'born' as a man through the tribe of Judah Gen 49:10..in the town of Bethleham Mic 5:2,4...and Davids family line. So he was to come as a man as Zec 9:9 says "look your King comes to you, righteous, humble, riding on an ***"

But the prophet Daniel spoke of a very different Messiah. One who would 'come on the clouds of heaven' Daniel 7:13 "...with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access"
To gain access to God himself, he would have to have been situated in heaven.

 

[Shermana]

How about when he said, "Let the dead bury the dead?" There is a concrete law that one must bury a dead person as soon as possible, no matter what he has to do or where he has to go (even to preach of the "Kingdom of God." Actually, scripture isn't really sure what he actually said, right? I mean, there are least 6 different versions. And about surgery being allowed for non-life threatening illnesses, I'm actually not so sure about that; I will look into it. But are you talking about "modern rabbis" who try to bend the laws for their own comfort, or the Torah rabbis who involve themselves in vigorous Torah study practically 24/7 and only allow modern adaptations that still are bound by the laws? And Jesus was not the Messiah, because he failed to fulfill the criteria for what the Messiah (Mashiach) is supposed to accomplish, and NOWHERE in the Torah (Tanach, or the Mishnah and Gemarah) is there a single reference to the Messiah coming a second time. So this whole concept of a second coming is false and misleading.

Again, as the Church is an order of Priests in the Order of Melchezdiek, they cannot touch corpses. It is an emphasis of purity law.

Just because Rabbis study Torah 24/7 doesn't mean they are right or don't have bias.

 

[Yanni]

In the first instance, the messiah was to be 'born' as a man through the tribe of Judah Gen 49:10..in the town of Bethleham Mic 5:2,4...and Davids family line. So he was to come as a man as Zec 9:9 says "look your King comes to you, righteous, humble, riding on an ***"

First of all, a Jew's tribal lineage is based on the father, not on the mother, and if Jesus was born from God's union with Mary (so to speak), then Jesus did not come from the tribe of Judah, and therefore was not a descendant of David through his father.

 

[Yanni]

Nonetheless, to be a member of the "Malchezdiek Priesthood" which is what the "Church" is meant to be, gentiles do have to convert to the Torah in its fullness.

"In its fullness?" Really? The why do so many Christians and Messianic Jews neglect many laws of the Torah, which the Torah itself says are eternal? Do YOU put on Tefillin every day, say Shema twice daily, pray 3 times a day, keep the Sabbath in its entirety, and say the Blessing after Meals after eating bread, make a blessing after relieving yourself in the bathroom, fast on the Jewish fast days, keep all the holidays, etc. etc. etc.? (I'm not trying to put you on the spot). Do Messianic Jews keep to all of these laws? If you say that Jesus supposedly kept the Torah, then why do so many of his followers not keep it?

 

[Yanni]

What laws did he neglect? The Sabbath? Modern Rabbis allow Surgery on the Sabbath for even non-life threatening illnesses. There is no doubt that anyone who says to disobey a single iota of the Torah is a false prophet, what particularly did Yashua go against?

I'll name you one specific one. According to the Torah, Jewish divorce can be achieved only through a bill of divorce (called a "get" in Hebrew), written by the husband or his agent. "If a man marries a woman and lives with her, and it will be that she will not find favor in his eyes, for he found in her a matter of immorality, and he wrote her a bill of divorce, and presented it into her hand, and sent her from his house..." (Deuteronomy, 24:1). The Torah does not prohibit remarraige after a divorce (except that a divorced woman may not marry her original husband after an intervening marriage). Jesus limited or opposed divorce and remarraige. Matthew and Mark's Jesus stated that re-marraige after a divorce constitutes adultery. This attempts to make the Torah stricter, which violates the Torah command in Deuteronomy 4:2 and 13:1 (that one cannot add to or subtract from the laws of the Torah). Matthew says, "Jesus said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and whoever marries another commits adultery against her.'(Matthew 19:9). Mark said, "Jesus said, 'Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.' (Mark 10:3-4, 11). Now, regarding Mark's version, Jesus seemed to permit a woman to divorce her husband, which is not permitted by the Torah (only the man has the power to hand the divorce contract over to the woman; of course, the woman can request a divorce, but she has no power to divorce, according to the Torah.) Accordingly, Jesus was a false prophet for speaking words not commanded by God by adding to and subtracting from the laws.
In conclusion, the Torah explicitly states that God's laws are perfect and therefore man may not add to or subtract from them. The Torah also says that God will not change His mind about His laws. The Torah explicitly permits divorce and remarriage. According to Mark, Jesus opposed divorce and prohibited remarriage after a divorce. Even if Jesus were the Messiah ben David, he would not have had the authority to change or contradict any law in the Torah. Therefore, Jesus was a false prophet for speaking words not commanded by God. Jesus contradicted God's Torah by subtracting from the laws.

 

[Yanni]

And what was the "New Covenant" established with Jeremiah about? What is this new way to relate to God exactly?

The "New Covenant" in Jeremiah's days was more of a "Restored" covenant, since Israel had lost its way, just like how the Pharisees had corrupted the Law and abused their power. The difference of back then is that the Prophets were able to restore Israel away from its idolatrous and false customs whereas Jews have been meshed in Qabala and spurious Midrash for 2,000 years. The "New Covenant" is about restoring the original form like the New Covenant spoken of in Jeremiah. If you read the very prophecies which Jesus came to "fulfill" in the first place, they are about someone who leads the true chosen remnant of Israel back to righteousness.

The Torah itself states that its laws are eternal and that they cannot be added to or subtracted from. One of the Thirteen Principles of Faith of Judaism is that God will never exchange the Torah for another one, and that there won't even be another one alongside the Torah. The "New Testament" is in direct violation of this fundamental Jewish belief dating back to Mount Sinai. And there are many prophesies that Jesus did not fulfill, and Jesus did not fulfill any one of the 6 criteria for the Jewish Messiah ben David. And how dare you call the Midrash spurious!

 

[Shermana]

The Torah itself states that its laws are eternal and that they cannot be added to or subtracted from. One of the Thirteen Principles of Faith of Judaism is that God will never exchange the Torah for another one, and that there won't even be another one alongside the Torah. The "New Testament" is in direct violation of this fundamental Jewish belief dating back to Mount Sinai. And there are many prophesies that Jesus did not fulfill, and Jesus did not fulfill any one of the 6 criteria for the Jewish Messiah ben David. And how dare you call the Midrash spurious!

What does that have to do with Jeremiahs' "New Covenant"?

 

[InChrist]

In conclusion, the Torah explicitly states that God's laws are perfect and therefore man may not add to or subtract from them. The Torah also says that God will not change His mind about His laws. The Torah explicitly permits divorce and remarriage. According to Mark, Jesus opposed divorce and prohibited remarriage after a divorce. Even if Jesus were the Messiah ben David, he would not have had the authority to change or contradict any law in the Torah. Therefore, Jesus was a false prophet for speaking words not commanded by God. Jesus contradicted God's Torah by subtracting from the laws.

The Most Important Mitzvah The Centrality of the Gospel Message


by John J. Parsons


“Trusting in the LORD is foundational to all that may rightly be called Torah. The Talmud (Makkot 23b-24a) says, "Moses gave Israel 613 commandments, David reduced them to eleven (Psalm 15), Isaiah to six (Isaiah 33:15-16), Micah to three (Micah 6:8), Isaiah reduced them again to two (Isaiah 56:1); but it was Habakkuk who gave the one essential commandment: tzaddik be'emunato yich'yeh, literally, "the righteous, by his trust, shall live." In the New Testament (long before the compilation of the Talmud), the apostle Paul had first distilled the various commandments of the Torah to this same principle of faith (see Rom. 1:17, Gal. 3:11, and Heb. 10:38).”

[FONT=&quot]“When the Lord Yeshua came there was a change in the law, because there was a change in the priesthood (see Heb. 7:11-12). This priesthood of Yeshua is said to be after the "order of Malki-Tzedek" (מַלְכִּי־צֶדֶק), based on a direct oath from God, that predates the operation of the Levitical priesthood (for more information about the role of Yeshua as our High Priest, see the article "Yom Kippur and the Gospel"). This is not unlike the office of King/Priest that Moses held when he commanded the sacrifice of the Passover lambs during the Exodus. The korban pesach (sacrifice of Passover) was not originally instituted through the Levitical priesthood (i.e., the Mishkan), but rather predated the giving of the law to the priests. It is no coincidence that Yeshua explicitly referred to this (pre-Levitical priesthood) event to speak of His role as Seh Elohim, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (John 3:1-12).

Indeed, the Levitical priesthood "made nothing perfect" and therefore a "new priesthood" was required to finally reconcile us back to God (Heb. 7:19; Psalm 110:4). "For when there is a change (μετατιθεμένη&#962 in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change (i.e., metathesis, μετάθεσι&#962 in the law as well" (Heb. 7:12). The word translated "change" here comes from the verb μετατίθημι (from meta, "after" + tithemi, to "set") which would be better translated as "transposed." The idea is the priesthood reverted back to the original priesthood of Zion and therefore required a corresponding "transfer" of authority (μετάθεσι&#962 to the original kingship as well (Heb. 7:12). Yeshua is our great Kohen Gadol (High Priest) after the order of Malki-Tzedek (Heb. 5:10, 6:20; 7:1-28), just as He is our King and the final authority of the Torah. Those who follow Him are called to be mamlekhet kohanim v'goy kadosh, "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation" forever (Exod. 19:6, 1 Pet. 2:9, Rev. 1:6, 5:10). Followers of Yeshua have an altar "from which those who serve in the Tabernacle are not permitted to eat" (Heb. 13:10).”[/FONT]

“Let me repeat the main point I am trying to make here. The single most important mitzvah of ALL of Scripture is to trust in Yeshua as your LORD and Savior, since He alone is the one who gives us true spiritual life. "Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses (Acts 13:38-39). Yeshua is the way (הַדֶּרֶךְ), the truth (הָאֱמֶת), and the life (הַחַיִּים); no one comes to Father apart from Him (John 14:6, Acts 4:12). As Jesus said, "The Father judges has given all judgment to the Son, so that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father" (John 5:23-24). "Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life" (1 John 5:12):

מִי אֲשֶׁר־לוֹ הַבֵּן יֶשׁ־לוֹ חַיִּים
וּמִי אֲשֶׁר אֵין־לוֹ בֶּן־הָאֱלהִים אֵין־לוֹ חַיִּים

mi a·sher lo ha-ben yesh lo chay·yim
u'mi a·sher ein lo ben ha-E·lo·him ein lo chay·yim


ὁ ἔχων τὸν υἱὸν ἔχει τὴν ζωήν·
ὁ μὴ ἔχων τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ θεοῦ τὴν ζωὴν οὐκ ἔχει

Whoever has the Son has life; and whoever does not have
the Son of God does not have life. (1 John 5:12)​

Finally, let me restate something important whenever we consider these things. We do not impugn the Torah when we say that God has made a better covenant based on better promises (Heb. 8:6). The LORD is the same yesterday, today, and forever: He is one.... The revelation and grace of God is manifest at Sinai as it is at Zion. What's changed is the covenant -- and our response to that new covenant in light of the full counsel of the Scriptures. An honest reading of the New Testament shows that Paul was not simply rejecting legalism, but any form of work-based salvationism. Israel should have known this, since the Torah (and prophets) prophesied that a new era of "circumcised hearts" would come. Therefore Paul puts forward the idea that salvation by the grace of God is in perfect harmony with the overall teaching of Torah.”

Excerpts from; The Most Important Mitzvah

 

[InChrist]

[FONT=&quot]The Heart of the Law[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and the Law of the Gospel[/FONT]

“During His earthly ministry, was Yeshua (Jesus) instructing us to become followers of Moses? Did He come and die on the Cross so that we could be forgiven and therefore "start over" by keeping the Law (and its 613 commandments)? Is the gospel message really a sort of "reformation" of Temple Judaism? Did Yeshua come to renew the covenant made with Israel at Sinai or did he come to give us a new and better covenant that would somehow supersede it (Heb. 8:6)? In the light of his teaching, it appears that the answer to each of these questions is both a "yes" and "no."
Excerpt from; The Heart of the Law - the Law of the Gospel

 

[Shermana]

[FONT=&quot]The Heart of the Law[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and the Law of the Gospel[/FONT]

“During His earthly ministry, was Yeshua (Jesus) instructing us to become followers of Moses? Did He come and die on the Cross so that we could be forgiven and therefore "start over" by keeping the Law (and its 613 commandments)? Is the gospel message really a sort of "reformation" of Temple Judaism? Did Yeshua come to renew the covenant made with Israel at Sinai or did he come to give us a new and better covenant that would somehow supersede it (Heb. 8:6)? In the light of his teaching, it appears that the answer to each of these questions is both a "yes" and "no."
Excerpt from; The Heart of the Law - the Law of the Gospel

If it's a "Yes", then the "No" is still part of the "Yes". If It's "no", then the "Yes" is just an excuse for the "No". Where does the NT forbid you from marrying your sister or slapping your dad in the face?

 

[Yanni]

In the New Testament (long before the compilation of the Talmud),

I'm sorry to break it to you, but eveything that was ever said in the Talmud (which is based on the Mishnah/the Oral Law) was said to the Jewish People at Mount Sinai at the Giving of the Torah. I know it doesn't make much sense how something someone only first said thousands of years later could have been mentioned at that time, but it is (and always was) a fundamental Jewish belief that God taught Moses the ENTIRE Torah, both the Written and the Oral Law, and the Oral Law includes the Mishnah, the Talmud, and all the commentators' writings on both the Written and Oral Laws, and all the other holy writings of the great Torah scholars of every generation, to the present day. Folklore? You may want to say so. But this is what we have always HAD to believe, thousands of years before Jesus ever came on the scene.

 

[Yanni]

What does that have to do with Jeremiahs' "New Covenant"?

Jeremiah 31 Teaches that Christianity is NOT the New Covenant
It seems that Christians (or Messianic Jews like yourself) always point to the passage in Jeremiah as the foundation for their faith. Jeremiah speaks of a New Covenant, and Christianity insists that it is a fulfillment of Jeremiah’s prophecy.
A thoughtful reading of the relevant passage in Jeremiah will reveal, my friend, that Christianity is the very antithesis of the New Covenant predicted by Jeremiah.
The prophet describes the New Covenant as something that is unique to the Jewish people. It will set them apart from other nations (Jeremiah 31:32, 35, Ezekiel 37:28). In sharp contra-distinction, Christianity claims to have broken down the barrier of separation between Jew and gentile (Ephesians 2:14).
The prophet describes the New Covenant as a positive development in the history of Israel (Jeremiah 31:25, 27). The advent of Christianity ushered in a period of darkness for Israel.
The prophet describes the New Covenant as something that is impossible to disobey (Jeremiah 31:32, Ezekiel 36:27). The Church’s version of the new covenant is easily disobeyed.
Finally, the prophet describes the New Covenant as a time when it will no longer be necessary to teach the knowledge of God amongst the people of Israel (Jeremiah 31:33). The advent of Christianity launched the most intense missionary campaign that the world has ever seen.
Moses (Deuteronomy 30:1-10), Ezekiel (11:17-20, 34:20-31, 36:22-38, 37:15-28) and Jeremiah (31:26-39, 32:36-44, 33:4-26) clearly described the New Covenant. It is not Christianity.

 

[Shermana]

Jeremiah 31 Teaches that Christianity is NOT the New Covenant
It seems that Christians (or Messianic Jews like yourself) always point to the passage in Jeremiah as the foundation for their faith. Jeremiah speaks of a New Covenant, and Christianity insists that it is a fulfillment of Jeremiah’s prophecy.
A thoughtful reading of the relevant passage in Jeremiah will reveal, my friend, that Christianity is the very antithesis of the New Covenant predicted by Jeremiah.
The prophet describes the New Covenant as something that is unique to the Jewish people. It will set them apart from other nations (Jeremiah 31:32, 35, Ezekiel 37:28). In sharp contra-distinction, Christianity claims to have broken down the barrier of separation between Jew and gentile (Ephesians 2:14).
The prophet describes the New Covenant as a positive development in the history of Israel (Jeremiah 31:25, 27). The advent of Christianity ushered in a period of darkness for Israel.
The prophet describes the New Covenant as something that is impossible to disobey (Jeremiah 31:32, Ezekiel 36:27). The Church’s version of the new covenant is easily disobeyed.
Finally, the prophet describes the New Covenant as a time when it will no longer be necessary to teach the knowledge of God amongst the people of Israel (Jeremiah 31:33). The advent of Christianity launched the most intense missionary campaign that the world has ever seen.
Moses (Deuteronomy 30:1-10), Ezekiel (11:17-20, 34:20-31, 36:22-38, 37:15-28) and Jeremiah (31:26-39, 32:36-44, 33:4-26) clearly described the New Covenant. It is not Christianity.

Christianity itself is not what ushered in an age of Darkness. The Romans had fought the Jews centuries before any true "Christian" oppression. Even then, the "orthodox" Christians who claimed to believe in Jesus were not exactly the true representatives of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, by that point the Ebionites and other groups had become the targets of heresy hunts. The Romans had to force Sabbath observance with threat of death even among Christians.

In Jeremiah 31, it merely says "I will put my law into their hearts", I believe that "True" Christians are Messianic Jews, thus those who truly believe will (upon their true "justification") naturally understand and feel what is the Law and what is not, as opposed to the Paulinians who have reprsented "Christianity" for thousands of years.

Indeed, the mainstream version of what CLAIMS to be "Christianity" is in fact the Antithesis, the "bizarro" of the True message of Yashua.

 

[Muffled]

in John 8:40, Jesus clearly says that he is MAN...

He is physically. However that does not preclude Him from being God.

 

[Yanni]

He is physically. However that does not preclude Him from being God.

The Torah explicitly states that God is not a man and that man is not God. Fundamental Jewish doctrine (which existed well before the rise of Christianity) states that God is not corporeal nor is subject to the physical universe. Simply put, God will not, nor ever, take human form. There is no need for Him to do so, and Jesus' death did not atone for humanity's sins; that is against Jewish doctrine which states that man cannot take away another's sins. Trust me, if there was such a concept in Judaism, we would've known it at Mount Sinai.