Did Jesus say he was God???

[Popeyesays]

Jehovah is best translated "I am the one who is". "I am" is just a shortened form of the name. That shortened form of the name is used throughout scripture not something that I invented.

The name indicates the pre-existence to creation that would identify God as being different from everyone else. We can never say "I am" in relation to time because there is a time when we were not. Jesus can say "I am" in relation to time because He is also pre-existing. Since pre-existence is a quality that only belongs to God, Jesus is God in the flesh.

i have often thought that if Jesus had been quoted as saying: "I am going to the bathroom", that some Bible study zealots would make that a claim to the Godhead. I have actually had sent to me a Bible study on the Gospel of John that makes no bones about making that claim everytime Jesus says, "I am . . . . " anything at all.

Before Abrahan was God IS. That's utterly true. It does not however make a claim to ultimate deity on the part of Christ when He reminds people of that truth, you have to read what the verse says without a pre-existing bias.

Regards,

Scott

 

[Aasimar]

Jesus was a middle eastern guy with some good ideas, who frequently lost his temper and had incredible conviction in his faith, who was murdered by the people who believe his ideas too revolutionary. If he ever existed at all (Which is hard to determine.)

 

[Muffled]

i have often thought that if Jesus had been quoted as saying: "I am going to the bathroom", that some Bible study zealots would make that a claim to the Godhead. I have actually had sent to me a Bible study on the Gospel of John that makes no bones about making that claim everytime Jesus says, "I am . . . . " anything at all.

Before Abrahan was God IS. That's utterly true. It does not however make a claim to ultimate deity on the part of Christ when He reminds people of that truth, you have to read what the verse says without a pre-existing bias.

Regards,

Scott

This is a nice effort to take things out of context but Jesus is answering a question that was asked of Him by the Pharisees:
John8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, who died? and the prophets died: whom makest thou thyself?

 

[Muffled]

"what do I have to say about this?.....

Uhhhh....you're taking it out of context!
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It would be interesting to see how you construe that. I think it stands on its own quite well but I find the context fits as well as you can see from the previous post. If you have something to say about context say it. As you can see from the previous post I did.

 

[doppelganger]

This is a nice effort to take things out of context but Jesus is answering a question that was asked of Him by the Pharisees:
John8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, who died? and the prophets died: whom makest thou thyself?

Everyone could answer that question the same way Jesus did. It's a sort of koan on "God" as the holistic absolute that precedes individual perception of being and time. Notice the shift from the past tense to the perfective aspect.

 

[Popeyesays]

This is a nice effort to take things out of context but Jesus is answering a question that was asked of Him by the Pharisees:
John8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, who died? and the prophets died: whom makest thou thyself?

Please note that Jesus also died.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Popeyesays]

Muffled,

People note over and over that your interpretation of this is misconstrued. It's our right to point it out. It's your right to deny it, but your explanation of it in your estimation is deficient in my estimation. It appears to be deficient in Dopple's estimation, in Dre's estimation and in many other estimations.

That is the nature of reglisious discussion, but you are beating a dead horse. Try to find a live horse to flog--another argument from a different direction.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It would be interesting to see how you construe that.

This has already been done. The sad fact is once again you couldn't see it. I posted the conversatation Yeshua had with them and all along he glorified the God who taught him and sent him.

pulling out one verse to suggest that he was God was proven to be taken out of context when ALL of the coversation was listed. Apple Pie tried his hardest to do this as well. He went so far as to creating his own WIKI on the subject. But I had to shut him down as well. He, like you, want to grab quotes at random that have nothing to do with Yeshua being God. When presented with evidence of this and asked to explain it you evade it with all of your might. As you can see he does not post here anymore.

Answer this question for me because you haven't yet. I've asked you this at least twice.

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Can you tell us, if he is God...who was he ascending to? Why does he state that he has a God if he is God.

I think it stands on its own quite well but I find the context fits as well as you can see from the previous post.

There is nothing in his conversation to suggest, at all, that he is God or considered himself to be equal to God.

If you have something to say about context say it. As you can see from the previous post I did.

I already did. You just choosed to ignore it. Most of the conversation leading up to 8:58 Yeshua shows us over and over and over that he is not God but they are one in purpose. This is laid out in 8:16, 18, 28, 29, 38, 42, 49, and 54.

Again, you have taken Yeshua saying "I am" completely out of its original context.

 

[Muffled]

This has already been done. The sad fact is once again you couldn't see it. I posted the conversatation Yeshua had with them and all along he glorified the God who taught him and sent him.

pulling out one verse to suggest that he was God was proven to be taken out of context when ALL of the coversation was listed. Apple Pie tried his hardest to do this as well. He went so far as to creating his own WIKI on the subject. But I had to shut him down as well. He, like you, want to grab quotes at random that have nothing to do with Yeshua being God. When presented with evidence of this and asked to explain it you evade it with all of your might. As you can see he does not post here anymore.
Answer this question for me because you haven't yet. I've asked you this at least twice.

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Can you tell us, if he is God...who was he ascending to? Why does he state that he has a God if he is God.
There is nothing in his conversation to suggest, at all, that he is God or considered himself to be equal to God.
I already did. You just choosed to ignore it. Most of the conversation leading up to 8:58 Yeshua shows us over and over and over that he is not God but they are one in purpose. This is laid out in 8:16, 18, 28, 29, 38, 42, 49, and 54.
Again, you have taken Yeshua saying "I am" completely out of its original context.

Jesus is God ascending to God. However God is everywhere. There ae those who believe that although God is everywhere, He has some special kind of special residency in Heaven. If that is the case then Jesus was ascending to Heaven. In fact there is a verse where Stephen says He sees Jesus sitting next to God in Heaven, literally beside Himself,

Why shouldn't God consider Himself God to Himself? You make a big deal of this but it is YOU who thinks that God can't do certain things never God saying so.

 

[Muffled]

Muffled,

People note over and over that your interpretation of this is misconstrued. It's our right to point it out. It's your right to deny it, but your explanation of it in your estimation is deficient in my estimation. It appears to be deficient in Dopple's estimation, in Dre's estimation and in many other estimations.

That is the nature of reglisious discussion, but you are beating a dead horse. Try to find a live horse to flog--another argument from a different direction.

Regards,
Scott

I would graant that you can't come up with a good argument and would prefer to dop it out of embarrassment but is that how you learn anything? You could at least give it an effort. You have a new verse to deal with. Either debate or concede but please don't pull the blankets over your head and plead with God to leave you alone.

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

Jesus was not God in the flesh because Jesus was just an ordinary guy.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Jesus is God ascending to God.

This is incorrect. There is no information in the bible that agrees with this assumption. If you can find a verse in the 4 gospels that supports this theory please list it.

This is going to be one of your greatest of challenges because I have been all through the 4 gospels...(mind you multiple translations) and no such verse exist.

It would appear to me that the world of chritianity is stuck on a couple of verses in the 4 gospels that they are interperting as Yeshua being God. I haven examined them and they are all taken out of their intended context.

However God is everywhere. There ae those who believe that although God is everywhere, He has some special kind of special residency in Heaven. If that is the case then Jesus was ascending to Heaven.

We know for a fact that Yeshua wasn't God because he informed us he wasn't. This is evident, although not apprent to some, from the mouth of Yeshua. Every opportunity for Yeshua to declare he was God, he did not. On the contrary, he expresses he is a servent of the "one" who taught him, sent him here and intructed him as to what he should say. These have NEVER been the attributes of God in the bible. Never will you find God in the OT expressing he was taught, he was instructed or he was sent.

In fact there is a verse where Stephen says He sees Jesus sitting next to God in Heaven, literally beside Himself,

So what's the point? That God sits beside himself? That in itself doesn't make any sense.

Again, Yeshua never taught his followers that he is God. He taught them that he was a servent. Not only was he seperate from God but we read that in heaven he is seperate with his own will and his own glory.

Why shouldn't God consider Himself God to Himself?

No one has ever said that God does not consider himself as God. The problem you face is that Yeshua never considered himself God. He told us that God was greater than he. He admitts the father is greater than the son and the son nor the angels have the knowledge that God has so he could never be God.

You make a big deal of this but it is YOU who thinks thatGod can't do certain things never God saying so.

I don't think that but I do believe that Yeshua gave overwhelming proof that he was not God. You have failed to find one verse where he said I am God...Worship me....
You will never be able to find a verse from Yeshua saying this. Your whole logic was flwed from the very beginning of this post.... "Jesus is God ascending to God".....This is not the language of the 4 gospels. So back to the drawing board for you.

You have failed to accurately answer why Yeshua would tell her ....."I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God and your God".

This is just one of dozens of verses like this. How you can come to the conclusion after reading that, that he is God in the flesh is nonsense.

 

[Muffled]

It would appear to me that the world of chritianity is stuck on a couple of verses in the 4 gospels that they are interperting as Yeshua being God. I haven examined them and they are all taken out of their intended context.

So what's the point? That God sits beside himself? That in itself doesn't make any sense.

You have failed to accurately answer why Yeshua would tell her ....."I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God and your God".

This is just one of dozens of verses like this. How you can come to the conclusion after reading that, that he is God in the flesh is nonsense.

This is what you claim but you have never indicated what the context is or how the verses do not appertain to the context. How can I debate this if you don't give me something to debate?

You are correct. In itself it makes no sense but with an uderstanding of the attributes of God it makes perfect sense.

Perhaps I misuderstood your question. If you are asking why Jesus is making this statement, I can answer that it is impossible to know what motivates Jesus to make any statement.

You are in error. This is not one of my premises leading to the conclusion that Jesus is God in the flesh. I suspect it is one of your premises that Jesus is not God in the flesh but I have not seen you reason this out because such a conclusion is not a tautolgy from the verse listed.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

This is what you claim but you have never indicated what the context is or how the verses do not appertain to the context. How can I debate this if you don't give me something to debate?

People like to snatch a verse that they believe proves their position. Most of the time they're incorrect. You listed an "I am" statement Yeshua said to mean that he was God. I posted the whole conversation and told you that he said that because it is true that Yeshua was in existance before Abraham. This is confirmed with John 17:5 among other verses.

Yeshua mentions, in that conversation, that God taught him, sent him and instructed him what he should say. Does this sound like the attributes of God that he taught himself, sent himself and instructed himself as to what he should say? This is why all of your references to Yeshua being God are out of their original context. I've read the statements you listed and addressed them and as you go back to the beginning of those conversations you quickly discover how those statements fit in but at no point are they an admission on the part of Yeshua claiming he was God.

You are correct. In itself it makes no sense but with an uderstanding of the attributes of God it makes perfect sense.

I read what Yeshua says and it is perfectcly clear to me. List the attributes and you will find a verse from Yeshua to explain them all. If you can find them I can put them into context for you.

Perhaps I misuderstood your question. If you are asking why Jesus is making this statement, I can answer that it is impossible to know what motivates Jesus to make any statement.

Come on now, that was really weak. If he is God then NOTHING CAN MOTIVATE HIM. If he needs motivation then he is not God and there is something "greater" than him. He was motivated by God (John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.) John 20:17 is crystal clear. If you can't answer it then just simply I don't know. All of the talk of him being God is totally refuted in that statement. The conclusion in that statement is that he was to return to the father (God) who he testified and glorified sent him, taught him and instructed him. He testified God "gave" him a job to do and when he was done he prayed to God informing God he had completed the task (mind you this was not the first time he prayed).

You are in error. This is not one of my premises leading to the conclusion that Jesus is God in the flesh.

Well it can't be the verses you've listed and would have us to believe that he is God. Those verses simply do not lend credibility to what you assert. You listed a quote and I read the whole conversation he had and none of it suggest what you assert.

I suspect it is one of your premises that Jesus is not God in the flesh but I have not seen you reason this out because such a conclusion is not a tautolgy from the verse listed.

Why point the finger at me? I didn't say it. Yeshua said to her to tell the deciples he ascended to his father, God which is our father....This is what he said. Is there supposed to be something much deeper here? NO....there isn't. This is probably the clearest verse we get from Yeshua that he was not God. As I have shown there are plenty more where he indicates he isn't God. There is no confirmation from the 4 gospels that Yeshua said... I'm God and worship me...... All that exist is conjecture......

 

[Muffled]

People like to snatch a verse that they believe proves their position. Most of the time they're incorrect. You listed an "I am" statement Yeshua said to mean that he was God. I posted the whole conversation and told you that he said that because it is true that Yeshua was in existance before Abraham. This is confirmed with John 17:5 among other verses.

Yeshua mentions, in that conversation, that God taught him, sent him and instructed him what he should say. Does this sound like the attributes of God that he taught himself, sent himself and instructed himself as to what he should say? This is why all of your references to Yeshua being God are out of their original context. I've read the statements you listed and addressed them and as you go back to the beginning of those conversations you quickly discover how those statements fit in but at no point are they an admission on the part of Yeshua claiming he was God.

I read what Yeshua says and it is perfectcly clear to me. List the attributes and you will find a verse from Yeshua to explain them all. If you can find them I can put them into context for you.

Come on now, that was really weak. If he is God then NOTHING CAN MOTIVATE HIM. If he needs motivation then he is not God and there is something "greater" than him. He was motivated by God (John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.) John 20:17 is crystal clear. If you can't answer it then just simply I don't know. All of the talk of him being God is totally refuted in that statement. The conclusion in that statement is that he was to return to the father (God) who he testified and glorified sent him, taught him and instructed him. He testified God "gave" him a job to do and when he was done he prayed to God informing God he had completed the task (mind you this was not the first time he prayed).


Well it can't be the verses you've listed and would have us to believe that he is God. Those verses simply do not lend credibility to what you assert. You listed a quote and I read the whole conversation he had and none of it suggest what you assert.



Why point the finger at me? I didn't say it. Yeshua said to her to tell the deciples he ascended to his father, God which is our father....This is what he said. Is there supposed to be something much deeper here? NO....there isn't. This is probably the clearest verse we get from Yeshua that he was not God. As I have shown there are plenty more where he indicates he isn't God. There is no confirmation from the 4 gospels that Yeshua said... I'm God and worship me...... All that exist is conjecture......

Jesus (In the context of this chapter) says that if you know Him you know the Father. He says that the Father sent Him. Therefore you can conclude that the Father intended for Himself to be known through Jesus by the sending becasue before that the Father was not known in this way. Instructed is not how the text reads: John 8:26c ... the things which I heard from Him, these speak I unto the world. In the context He is bringing their understanding that His authority in speaking the word of God comes from the fact that the Father is known through Jesus.

Although there is a local context of "before Abraham" there is also a more general context of "Jah" meaning the eternal nature of God and in the context of this chapter He is answering the question posed to Him in 8:25 Who are you?

People always tell me things are "clear" or obvious when they aren't able to prove their conclusions. It is not clear to me so you will have to explain it. Sometimes I am so dense I need a word picture to help me see. LOL.

It is neat that you answered your own question. However you have not posed a new question for me to answer and the verse itself poses no question.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Jesus (In the context of this chapter) says that if you know Him you know the Father

Because they are one in purpose.

He says that the Father sent Him. Therefore you can conclude that the Father intended for Himself to be known through Jesus by the sending becasue before that the Father was not known in this way.

No problem here. God being known through a person (bringing the word of God) does not make the person God. The holy spirit, as you assert, is God but the holy spirit dwelt within many people but they weren't God.

Instructed is not how the text reads: John 8:26c ... the things which I heard from Him, these speak I unto the world. In the context He is bringing their understanding that His authority in speaking the word of God comes from the fact that the Father is known through Jesus.

In reallity that's not how he meant it. Later in John he says this. Now this is the exact opposite from how you interpert it.

John 12:49
"For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who
sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.

Although there is a local context of "before Abraham" there is also a more general context of "Jah" meaning the eternal nature of God and in the context of this chapter He is answering the question posed to Him in 8:25 Who are you?

This is incorrect. 8:25 was answered back in 8:12. Here's their question and here is his answer.

8:25 ......... Who art thou? And Yeshua saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

8:12 ..........I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

People always tell me things are "clear" or obvious when they aren't able to prove their conclusions. It is not clear to me so you will have to explain it.

Just because it isn't "clear" to you doesn't mean it hasn't been proven....:sarcastic

Sometimes I am so dense I need a word picture to help me see. LOL.

On this we do agree...

 

[Muffled]

Because they are one in purpose.
No problem here. God being known through a person (bringing the word of God) does not make the person God. The holy spirit, as you assert, is God but the holy spirit dwelt within many people but they weren't God.

In reallity that's not how he meant it. Later in John he says this. Now this is the exact opposite from how you interpert it.

John 12:49
"For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who
sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.

This is incorrect. 8:25 was answered back in 8:12. Here's their question and here is his answer.

8:25 ......... Who art thou? And Yeshua saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
8:12 ..........I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Just because it isn't "clear" to you doesn't mean it hasn't been proven....:sarcastic
On this we do agree...

This is an impossibility with men. Men are sinful and that will always be at cross purposes with God. For God to be known through Jesus, Jesus must be God otherwise you are only getting to know a sinful man. As Paul puts it Jesus is the exact representation of God not a diminished representation that you would get through a prophet. Jesus never says anything about purpose when He states He is one with the Father. He does not qualify His oneness in any way. Then there is the verse where Jesus says if you have seen me you have seen the Father. Jesus says He is without sin. This could not be the case if Jesus had the spirit of man present. Incidentally your statement is out of context. It should be a tautology however that Jesus being one with the Father would also be one in purpose with the Father.

This isn't the case. Prophets tell us about God, so the we know something about God but the only way to know God is to have a personal relationship with HIm and through Jesus that is possible.

I know of no cases in the old testament or Qua'ran where God dwelt with believers. The Paraclete is the only instance that I know of.

On the contrary, the whole chapter is about the Pharisees not recognizing the authority of Jesus because they only recognize the authority of the Father through the scripture. So Jesus has to establish His authority as coming from the Father. In addition He also states His oneness with the Father.

You are half right. Jesus did answer by referring back to His previous statement. However the Pharisees did not accept that answer so He had to provide more information to support His answer.

John 8:27 They perceived not that he spake to them of the Father.

congratulations! Now I need to know the message where you think you proved something about this verse.

I doubt that you have fully realized this. I need you to spell things out for me. By now you should realize that making statements without proving their validity doesn't do much for me.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

This is an impossibility with men. Men are sinful and that will always be at cross purposes with God. For God to be known through Jesus, Jesus must be God otherwise you are only getting to know a sinful man.

I see nothing wrong with God sending Yeshua to earth and bestowing his power (holy spirit) on Yeshua in order to aid Yeshua in the task that God gave him to do. This is confirmed by the scriptures.

You reason that in order for God to be known through Yeshua " Yeshua must be God"....This is not confirmed by Yeshua. That's not how Yeshua saw it at all. He does not qualify this assertion at all. On the contrary...every opportunity for him to say he is God and worship me he says the opposite.

As Paul puts it Jesus is the exact representation of God not a diminished representation that you would get through a prophet.

And I should believe Paul because what???, because he's mentioned alongside all of the other scriptures assembled together? Yeshua makes no mention of a 13th apostle. Paul reasons that Yeshua is God, he is a servant, he is the son of God...... he is this, he is that....All of what he says his of his opinion.

Jesus never says anything about purpose when He states He is one with the Father. He does not qualify His oneness in any way.

John 10:25-30
[25] Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness to me;
[26] but you do not believe, because you do not belong to my sheep.
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me;
[28] and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.
[29]My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
[30] I and the Father are one."

Nothing but one in purpose. He certainly doesn't show us he is God here. Here's more one in purpose for you.

John 17:22-23

[22] The glory (which thou hast given me) I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
[23] I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.

One in purpose but not one in the same. Not only does the above verses tell us they are one in purpose but we are to become one in purpose with God and Yeshua as well. Then the rest of it shows they are separate because God gave Yeshua glory and love. If he is God then there would be no need for that statement. Additionally Yeshua tells us God loves him. If he is God then that statement would not have been made.

I know of no cases in the old testament........ where God dwelt with believers.

Trinitarians believe that the holy spirit is God as well so let's see....


Isaiah 63:11
Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?

I believe the above is talking about the Holy Spirit in Moses. (i could be wrong on this one).

Daniel 4:18
This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy elohim is in thee.

Luke 1:41
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit:

Luke 1:67
And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying,

Luke 2:25
And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Spirit was upon him.

John 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Spirit:

Can we assume that in John 20:22 when Yeshua gives the holy spirit that those who received it were God? Certainly God would be making himself known through them as well....right????

I doubt that you have fully realized this. I need you to spell things out for me. By now you should realize that making statements without proving their validity doesn't do much for me.

Hey man you said it...I just agreed with you...........I'm trying to figure out what statements I made that aren't back by scripture....Yeshua is not God because he himself said he had a God....Well that statement can be backed up by scripture....Jesus..in heaven had his own will...Well that can be confirmed by scripture...Yeshua was taught, sent and commanded as to what he should say.....Well, that also can be conformed by scripture........Yeshua said..I'm God..worship me...Well, that's nowhere in the scriptures (4 gospels).......

 

[Popeyesays]

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Originally Posted by Muffled
I doubt that you have fully realized this. I need you to spell things out for me. By now you should realize that making statements without proving their validity doesn't do much for me.

Hey man you said it...I just agreed with you...........I'm trying to figure out what statements I made that aren't back by scripture....Yeshua is not God because he himself said he had a God....Well that sataement can be backedup by scripture....Jesus..in heaven had his own will...Well that can be confirmed by scripture...Yeshua was taught, sent and commanded as to what he should say.....Well, that also can be conformed by scripture........Yeshua said..I'm God..worship me...Well, that's nowhere in the scriptures (4 gospels)......."""

It certainly is a case of calling a kettle black when one is a pot.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Dirty Penguin]

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Originally Posted by Muffled
I doubt that you have fully realized this. I need you to spell things out for me. By now you should realize that making statements without proving their validity doesn't do much for me.

Hey man you said it...I just agreed with you...........I'm trying to figure out what statements I made that aren't back by scripture....Yeshua is not God because he himself said he had a God....Well that sataement can be backedup by scripture....Jesus..in heaven had his own will...Well that can be confirmed by scripture...Yeshua was taught, sent and commanded as to what he should say.....Well, that also can be conformed by scripture........Yeshua said..I'm God..worship me...Well, that's nowhere in the scriptures (4 gospels)......."""

It certainly is a case of calling a kettle black when one is a pot.

Regards,
Scott

I agree.....:biglaugh: