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Did Jesus say he was God???

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OverStandIng

Member
Katzpur said:
I don't look at God from a scientific point of view. I can't understand Him from that point of view. I look at Him from a spiritual point of view and receive confirmation from the Holy Ghost of my beliefs.
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How Many Holy Ghost Are They According To The Scriptures ?
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
OverStandIng said:
Can You Give Me The Chapter And Verse Showing Their Only One Holy Ghost ?
Thank You
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No, I can't, but can you give me chapter and verse where "the" Holy Ghost is referred to as "a" Holy Ghost. The consistent use of the definite article as opposed to the indefinite article makes it quite clear that "the" Holy Ghost is not merely one of many. Where are you going with this, by the way? Would you mind just cutting to the chase already?
 
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OverStandIng

Member
Katzpur said:
No, I can't, but can you give me chapter and verse where "the" Holy Ghost is referred to as "a" Holy Ghost. The consistent use of the definite article as opposed to the indefinite article makes it quite clear that "the" Holy Ghost is not merely one of many. Where are you going with this, by the way? Would you mind just cutting to the chase already?
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Are Saying You Can't Back Up What Your Saying Without Scriptures ?
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
OverStandIng said:
Are Saying You Can't Back Up What Your Saying Without Scriptures ?
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No, I'm saying you're not reading my response. I did back up what I said with scripture. Either make your point or drop it. I don't have time to play word games.
 
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OverStandIng

Member
Katzpur said:
No, I can't, but can you give me chapter and verse where "the" Holy Ghost is referred to as "a" Holy Ghost. The consistent use of the definite article as opposed to the indefinite article makes it quite clear that "the" Holy Ghost is not merely one of many. Where are you going with this, by the way? Would you mind just cutting to the chase already?
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The Holy Ghost Which Is Something Called The Holy Spirit .
For Years Christians Have Been Teaching That The Comforter Is The Holy Ghost Sometimes Called The Holy Spirit . They Make It Seem As If The Concept Of The Holy Ghost Originated With Jesus . However , This Is Incorrect Because According To Genesis 1 ; 2 , The Holy Spirit Has Been Here Since The Foundation Of The Planet Earth .
Genesis 1 ; 2
'' AND THE EARTH WAS WITHOUT FORM . AND VOID ; AND DARKNESS WAS
UPON THE DEEP . AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD MOVED UPON THE FACE OF THE WATER .

John The Baptist Had The '' Holy Ghost '' Before Jesus Was Even Born . It Was With Him In Elisabeth's ..
( John The Baptist's Mother ) Womb .
Luke 1 ; 15
FOR HE SHALL BE GREAT IN THE SIGHT OF THE LORD , AND SHALL DRINK
NEITHER WINE NOR STRONG DRINK ; AND HE SHALL BE FILLED WITH THE
HOLY GHOST ; EVEN FROM HIS MOTHER'S WOMB ''
LUKE 1; 41
AND IT CAME TO PASS , THAT , WHEN ELISABETH HEARD THE SALUTATION
OF MARY , THE BABE LEAPED IN HER WOMB ; AND ELISABETH WAS FILLED
WITH THE HOLY GHOST ''
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
OverStandIng said:
The Holy Ghost Which Is Something Called The Holy Spirit . For Years Christians Have Been Teaching That The Comforter Is The Holy Ghost Sometimes Called The Holy Spirit . They Make It Seem As If The Concept Of The Holy Ghost Originated With Jesus . However , This Is Incorrect Because According To Genesis 1 ; 2 , The Holy Spirit Has Been Here Since The Foundation Of The Planet Earth .
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Well, I'm a Christian and I don't believe the Holy Ghost originated with Jesus, but that He is eternal and has existed since the beginning. So apparently we agree.
 
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OverStandIng

Member
Katzpur said:
No, I'm saying you're not reading my response. I did back up what I said with scripture. Either make your point or drop it. I don't have time to play word games.
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In Serveral Quotes In The New Testament Jesus Made It Clear That You Are To Worship God And Not Him When He Made Reference To God He Used The Third Person Singular '' Him '' Not The First Person Singular Me In Luke 4; 8 Jesus Says And I Quote He Said Worship Him Not Me

In John 4 ; 23 - 24 Jesus States Againt In The Red Letter Writting Of Your Bible And I Quote He Said Worship Him And Not Me .
And In John 14 ; 10 Jesus Gives All Praise And Gratitude To His Heavenly Father And I Quote He Used The Word He Not Me
The ( Trinity ) Is Of ( Pagan ) Origion And Every ( Pholytheistic ) Culture Has Their Own Reprentation Of It ... Common Sense Should Tell You That Three Person Yet One God Theory Is Impossible ..

( 1 ) Plus ( 1) Plus 1
God The Father God The Son God The Holy Ghost
Three Cannot Go Into One , With Yashu'a Was God How Could He Forsaken Himself (Matthew 27 ; 46 ... Mark 15; 34 ) And If He Was God Who Was He Calling Out To Himself ? I Thought God So Loved The World , That He Sent His Son To Die For You .. If That's True As John 3; 16 Says , Then Jesus Had Nothing To Do With It It Was That Father That Sent Him . In Matthew 6 ; 9 As Jesus Say '' Our Father Who Art In Heaven '' Because Jesus Say In John 13 ; 16 '' I Am Not Greater Than He Who Sent Me '' And In John 5; 30 He Says Again That '' I On My Own Accord Can Do Nothing '' Call No Man Father , Because There Is One Father Who Art In Heaven And Jesus Says Clearly In Matthew 23; 9 '' And Call No Man Your Father Upon The Earth

Truth Is Truth And If It Was About His Father's Will Then Why Did Jesus SAy In Matthew 26; 38 >> If Be Possible Let This Cup Pass By Me ; Nevertheless Not As I Will , But As Thou Wilt ''
Let Me Point Out A Few Points From Your Bible Stating That Jesus Couldn't Possibly Be God ..
Mark 15 ; 34 >> Jesus cried out with a loud voice My God , My God Why have thou Forsaken Me . <<< If Jesus was God who could he be praying to if he is the only God , and to cry is a human Weakness .
Mathew 4; 1 >>Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil << If Jesus was God how could the devil Possibly be able to tempt him without him knowing >> And What Could The Devil Possibly Offer The Creator Of Everything .
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
OverStandIng said:
In Serveral Quotes In The New Testament Jesus Made It Clear That You Are To Worship God And Not Him When He Made Reference To God He Used The Third Person Singular '' Him '' Not
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You're wasting your breath, OverStanding. I'm not a Trinitarian. Save your sermon for someone who is.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
OverStandIng said:
You Said And I Quote < There is one Holy Ghost.>

So We Don't Agree Seen Like Your Playing A Little Tricknowledge Here , :yes:
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I'm not playing anything. Just trying to answer your questions. I merely said that we appeared to agree that the Holy Ghost did not come into existance with Christianity.

By the way, if you wouldn't capitalize every word, it would be much easier to read your posts. Why do you do that, anyway?
 
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athanasius

Well-Known Member
Francine said:
I believe it was Archbishop Sheen who said our understanding of the Trinity came about in the same way you gradually see more and more of the contents of a room as a light with a dimmer switch is slowly turned on. The truth was always there, but at a certain point in time the light was bright enough to allow recognition, which was then followed by formal definitions.
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Yes Archbishop Sheen was awesome! He was quite a good catechist, homilist, and Apologist! Ahh the development of doctrine. John Henry Cardinal Newmann wrote a book on it but I am sure your well aware! For a Taoist your also a great catholic Apologist too.!
 
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OverStandIng

Member
Katzpur said:
I'm not playing anything. Just trying to answer your questions. I merely said that we appeared to agree that the Holy Ghost did not come into existance with Christianity.

By the way, if you wouldn't capitalize every word, it would be much easier to read your posts. Why do you do that, anyway?
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Ka < Says > if you wouldn't capitalize every word

Answer ; It A Habit Sorry . But I Bet If I Were To Write What You Wanted To Read It Really Wouldn't Matter At All
 
Francine

Francine

Well-Known Member
athanasius said:
Yes Archbishop Sheen was awesome! He was quite a good catechist, homilist, and Apologist! Ahh the development of doctrine. John Henry Cardinal Newmann wrote a book on it but I am sure your well aware! For a Taoist your also a great catholic Apologist too.!
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Just not a good people person when it comes to our friends from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
OverStandIng said:
I Know Who You Are Mormon Right < Your Book Was Made Up By A Mason > So It Really Not A Scriptures At All True ?
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To each his own, OverStanding. You're a new member of RF, so I'm going to cut you some slack, but Joseph Smith's association with Freemasonry has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread. If you would like to discuss that topic, please feel free to start a new thread.
 
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