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Did Jesus say he was God???

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Everybody sure has wasted a lot of time barking up a dead tree. Did you even read Patriot's simple one-line post???? How can you understand the Bible when you can't grasp a simple statement???

AmericanPatriot said:
"None of these say the elders are sitting on the throne of glory!"

Pay attention. I'm not boasting the elders had thrones of "glory".....I'm contesting the statement that there is only "one" throne in heaven and obviously if one took the time to understand the simple language the NT was actually written in (e.g. Greek) you'd know that the statement made is not true. There are more than one throne mentioned in the book of Revelation as I have shown.
 
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Pay attention. I'm not boasting the elders had thrones of "glory".....I'm contesting the statement that there is only "one" throne in heaven and obviously if one took the time to understand the simple language the NT was actually written in (e.g. Greek) you'd know that the statement made is not true. There are more than one throne mentioned in the book of Revelation as I have shown.

I never said there was one throne!!?
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
I never said there was one throne!!?

And I never said you did. You replied to me on behalf of someone else....My reply to you was to simply state that ("I'm contesting the statement that there is only "one" throne in heaven'). I didn't say you said it but it has been said and that's my point.
 
Just because you claim to have addressed it doesn't mean you reproved it.

Meanwhile you completely jumped the "Last Adam" question. Several times.

And again, Satan is in fact called "the god of this world", whether or not it says that the "gods of the nations are false", Satan is a "god", though an evil one, and his power is nothing compared to the Most High God's.

Another example, when the Witch of Endor summons Samuel's Soul, she claims to have seen a god. Clearly, the OT refers to actual spirit beings as "gods" while condemning idols as the "false gods" of (possessive, "of", a god is different than the "god of" gramatically) the nations.

I'd love to know your explanation of John 10:34.

I conclusively refute your challenges, and you say I don't answer. LOL. Great debate technique. LOL. And on my challenges you fall off the planet to avoid them. C'mon, aren't you going to defend the honor of your faith. I thoroughly embarrassed the twosies doctrine.

So for the last time, Jesus is quoting only PART of the passage in Psalms.


Psalms 82:6-7
(6) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
(7) But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

OBVIOUSLY God does not consider them gods. Otherwise they would die as gods or wouldn't die at all. This is so simple, Sunday school material.
Even God is mocking your 'gods'.

And all you're doing is continue to prove you are polytheistic and harbor pagan doctrines.

Now for the umteenth time about Adam. In Revelation, Jesus does not declare himself to be the firstborn and the last Adam, simply *** THE *** FIRST AND LAST. You are really reaching for straws. The exact same phrase in the exact same book is used by the Alpha and Omega. I know you can't stand to see those used together, but too bad. That is Bible. Jesus is the first and the last, the beginning and the end, the Alpha and Omega, the One seated on the throne and the One claiming to be God.
 

Shermana

Heretic
God does not consider the "gods of the nations" to be gods. That doesn't mean that the true "gods" aren't called "Heavenly beings" in many translations.

You can call it Pagan, ,but that's just how it is.

You didn't answer at all why Jesus responds the way he does in John 10:34.

Why did Paul call Satan "the god of this world" if he's not truly a "god"?

You don't understand what the word "god" means. God is the "Elohei Ha-Elohim" which means "God of the gods". The "gods of the nations" are false gods, they are not in the Holy Chain of command, they don't exist.

Nonetheless, "Heavenly beings" are called "Elohim". Psalms refers to them as if they are real beings and exist. You are confusing two different concepts. The "gods of the nations" is a whole another concept, it's in the posessive form, it means the nations have taken these gods to be "their god".

Grammar issues can be tricky when they prove certain Theological biases wrong.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I conclusively refute your challenges, and you say I don't answer. LOL. Great debate technique. LOL. And on my challenges you fall off the planet to avoid them. C'mon, aren't you going to defend the honor of your faith. I thoroughly embarrassed the twosies doctrine.
So for the last time, Jesus is quoting only PART of the passage in Psalms.

Psalms 82:6-7
(6) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
(7) But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
OBVIOUSLY God does not consider them gods. Otherwise they would die as gods or wouldn't die at all. This is so simple, Sunday school material.
Even God is mocking your 'gods'.
And all you're doing is continue to prove you are polytheistic and harbor pagan doctrines.
Now for the umteenth time about Adam. In Revelation, Jesus does not declare himself to be the firstborn and the last Adam, simply *** THE *** FIRST AND LAST. You are really reaching for straws. The exact same phrase in the exact same book is used by the Alpha and Omega. I know you can't stand to see those used together, but too bad. That is Bible. Jesus is the first and the last, the beginning and the end, the Alpha and Omega, the One seated on the throne and the One claiming to be God.

Psalm 82 is referring to human judges as gods.
Please notice: Exodus 4v16 and 7v1.
Human judges served in the capacity of being representatives or spokesmen for God.

Who says 'gods' can not die?
The true God [our Creator] is immortal [death proof] having life in himself.
-John 5v26
But, false gods like Satan, who is the god of this world of badness [2Cor 4v4]
is Not immortal because Jesus, according to Hebrews 2v14 B, destroys Satan.

Isn't Satan a sinner ?_____ All sinners must die -Rom 6v23
So Satan must pay the 'death price' for his sins.
Satan dies in the destruction of second death. -Rev 21v8
 

Shermana

Heretic
Yes, but look at Psalm 82:1. It is comparing the Human leaders to the "Heavenly Beings". (Elohim)

And Psalm 136:2. Clearly it is translated as "heavenly beings" for a reason. The Father is the "God of the gods", he is the "Most High".

There's also the issue that in Samuel, the Witch of Endor claims she has "Seen a god" when she sees Samuel's spirit.

The main problem is a general misunderstanding of the word "god" especially in its possessive form of "one's god".

The word Ayel means "Superior one" or "Mighty one" that might help. When it is used in the possessive it is a different sense, going form a being per se to a position.
 
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Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Everybody sure has wasted a lot of time barking up a dead tree. Did you even read Patriot's simple one-line post???? How can you understand the Bible when you can't grasp a simple statement???

AmericanPatriot said:
"None of these say the elders are sitting on the throne of glory!"

but he also said there is only one throne in heaven....and Jesus sits on it.
 
God does not consider the "gods of the nations" to be gods. That doesn't mean that the true "gods" aren't called "Heavenly beings" in many translations.

You can call it Pagan, ,but that's just how it is.

You didn't answer at all why Jesus responds the way he does in John 10:34.

Why did Paul call Satan "the god of this world" if he's not truly a "god"?

You don't understand what the word "god" means. God is the "Elohei Ha-Elohim" which means "God of the gods". The "gods of the nations" are false gods, they are not in the Holy Chain of command, they don't exist.

Nonetheless, "Heavenly beings" are called "Elohim". Psalms refers to them as if they are real beings and exist. You are confusing two different concepts. The "gods of the nations" is a whole another concept, it's in the posessive form, it means the nations have taken these gods to be "their god".

Grammar issues can be tricky when they prove certain Theological biases wrong.

GOD accepts *** NO other gods ***. Why do you?

Exo 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: *** and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth ***.

Exodus 20:2-3
(2) I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
(3) *** Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ***

If you want to have other gods before God, you're free to do so.
 
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Originally Posted by ApostolicPeter
House of Yahweh and JW's have TWO of everything:

TWO KINGS
TWO FATHERS
TWO SPIRITS (actually three counting the Holy Ghost)
TWO SAVIORS
TWO CREATORS
TWO COMING
TWO JUDGES
TWO REWARDERS
TWO FIRST AND LASTS
TWO BEGINNING AND ENDS
TWO G/gods
TWO Lords
TWO MAKERS
TWO LIFE-GIVERS
TWO HOLY ONES, yes, TWO HOLY *** ONES ***
TWO THRONES
TWO SEATED ON THE THRONES
TWO MIGHTY GODS (Ps 50:1, Is 9:6)
TWO ALMIGHTIES (Col 2:10) FYI, I am COMPLETE IN JESUS, why do I need another?
TWO THAT RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD

This is polytheism, paganism, and anti-scriptural.

I am a true monotheist, I believe in ONE of all the above. I worship Jesus!

Quote: Originally Posted by ApostolicPeter
The Bible teaches there is ONLY ONE Creator: Is 44:24, 45:18
The Bible teaches there is only ONE Savior: Hos 13:4
The Bible teaches there is only ONE King: Ez 37:23, Is 43:15, Zech 9:9
The Bible teaches there is only ONE HOLY ONE: Is 43:15

It did not take two or three to raise Jesus from the dead. It does not take two to create the world. It does not take two to have God in heaven and on the earth in human flesh as the Saviour at the same time. It does not take two to come, to judge, to reward, to rule, etc. It does not take TWO to make ONE HOLY ONE. It only takes ONE. God did it all by himself:

Isaiah 44:24
(24) Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself

Isaiah 43:15
(15) I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Hosea 13:4
(4) Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

Either Jesus was an impostor, a counterfeit, and a deceiver, because He (and the NT writers) attributed all these titles to JESUS, or He was the God of Isaiah and Hosea. Worship HIM!

How come nobody wants to touch this??? I guess it's too embarrassing.
 

Shermana

Heretic

GOD accepts *** NO other gods ***. Why do you?

Exo 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: *** and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth ***.

Exodus 20:2-3
(2) I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
(3) *** Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ***

If you want to have other gods before God, you're free to do so.


Do you know what the word "Before" means?
 

Shermana

Heretic
Original Word: עַל
Transliteration: al
Phonetic Spelling: (al)
Short Definition: over
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Word Origin
from alah
Definition
upon, above, over
 
Originally Posted by ApostolicPeter
House of Yahweh and JW's have TWO of everything:

TWO KINGS
TWO FATHERS
TWO SPIRITS (actually three counting the Holy Ghost)
TWO SAVIORS
TWO CREATORS
TWO COMING
TWO JUDGES
TWO REWARDERS
TWO FIRST AND LASTS
TWO BEGINNING AND ENDS
TWO G/gods
TWO Lords
TWO MAKERS
TWO LIFE-GIVERS
TWO HOLY ONES, yes, TWO HOLY *** ONES ***
TWO THRONES
TWO SEATED ON THE THRONES
TWO MIGHTY GODS (Ps 50:1, Is 9:6)
TWO ALMIGHTIES (Col 2:10) FYI, I am COMPLETE IN JESUS, why do I need another?
TWO THAT RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD

This is polytheism, paganism, and anti-scriptural.

I am a true monotheist, I believe in ONE of all the above. I worship Jesus!

Quote: Originally Posted by ApostolicPeter
The Bible teaches there is ONLY ONE Creator: Is 44:24, 45:18
The Bible teaches there is only ONE Savior: Hos 13:4
The Bible teaches there is only ONE King: Ez 37:23, Is 43:15, Zech 9:9
The Bible teaches there is only ONE HOLY ONE: Is 43:15

It did not take two or three to raise Jesus from the dead. It does not take two to create the world. It does not take two to have God in heaven and on the earth in human flesh as the Saviour at the same time. It does not take two to come, to judge, to reward, to rule, etc. It does not take TWO to make ONE HOLY ONE. It only takes ONE. God did it all by himself:

Isaiah 44:24
(24) Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself

Isaiah 43:15
(15) I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Hosea 13:4
(4) Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

Either Jesus was an impostor, a counterfeit, and a deceiver, because He (and the NT writers) attributed all these titles to JESUS, or He was the God of Isaiah and Hosea. Worship HIM!

How come nobody wants to touch this??? I guess it's too embarrassing.


They are afraid to get destroyed! They all ran away from the truth!:run:
 
Do you know what the word "Before" means?

Actually, its a little more broad than that...

Word Origin
from alah
Definition
upon, above, over
NASB Word Usage
about (27), about* (1), above (43), above* (16), accordance (2), accordance* (1), according (40), according* (2), account (11), account* (2), across* (1), addition (4), addition* (1), afflicted (1), after (14), after* (1), against (536), against* (1), along (11), alongside* (1), although (1), among (7), around (11), attention* (1), because (82), because* (49), before (10), before* (19), behalf (18), behind* (2), beside (47), beside* (6), besides (5), besiege* (1), besieged* (13), besieging (1), besieging* (5), better than (1), between (1), beyond (3), beyond* (1), bordered* (1), care (1), carried (1), charge (31), charge* (1), command (1), committed (1), concerning (97), concerning* (5), confront (1), confront* (1), connection (1), conquer* (1), consider* (3), considered* (2), contrary (1), corresponding (2), corresponding* (1), crowns (1), defiance* (1), despite (1), due (1), duty (1), east* (7), encouragingly* (2), engaged (1), even (1), everywhere* (1), faces* (1), facing* (1), far (2), forsaking* (1), full* (1), fully* (1), have charge (1), inasmuch* (5), instead* (1), leave* (1), length* (1), more than (2), much (1), named* (1), near (4), next (9), next* (13), now* (1), obliging* (1), off (6), off* (5), opposed (1), opposite (1), opposite* (4), ornamented* (1), over (538), over* (6), overflowing* (1), overflows* (1), overlooks* (3), part (1), planned* (1), pleased* (1), pleases* (2), presence (2), pressed* (1), prompts* (1), reason (2), reason* (6), received (1), regard (3), regarding (1), respect (1), responsibility (1), ruthlessly* (1), sake (4), sake* (1), sakes (2), settled* (1), since* (1), so (1), so* (2), sorrow (1), spite (2), steward* (4), surround* (1), sworn* (1), task (1), than (1), than were over (1), theirs* (1), therefore* (139), thereon (1), through (3), throughout (3), together (3), too (3), top (1), top* (2), toward (20), toward* (5), under (12), until (1), upright* (2), upside* (1), urged* (1), view (1), way (1), when (1), where (1), where* (5), wherever* (2), while (1), why* (10), within (13), within* (1), wore (1).

AND

H5921
על
‛al
al
Properly the same as H5920 used as a preposition (in the singular or plural, often with prefix, or as conjugation with a particle following); above, over, upon, or against (yet always in this last relation with a downward aspect) in a great variety of applications: - above, according to (-ly), after, (as) against, among, and, X as, at, because of, beside (the rest of), between, beyond the time, X both and, by (reason of), X had the charge of, concerning for, in (that), (forth, out) of, (from) (off), (up-) on, over, than, through (-out), to, touching, X with.

A bit selective aren't we?

Do you know what "and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth" means?
 

Shermana

Heretic
The "other gods" it refers to is the "gods of the nations" which it basically is admitting exists. Once again, when its in the posessive form, it becomes an issue of position rather than existence.

As for being "Selective", the initial meaning of it is "above or over". It CAN mean those things.

For instance, "Besieged" = "An army OVER an enemy city".
The word "Concerning", is like "Our discussion was over the history of the USA"

Likewise ,the word "overflowing" has its roots in "over". Even "Within" comes form a meaning of "over and in".

Perhaps you can get into detail on the use of "Al" in those cases.
 
The "other gods" it refers to is the "gods of the nations" which it basically is admitting exists. Once again, when its in the posessive form, it becomes an issue of position rather than existence.

As for being "Selective", the initial meaning of it is "above or over". It CAN mean those things.

For instance, "Besieged" = "An army OVER an enemy city".
The word "Concerning", is like "Our discussion was over the history of the USA"

Likewise ,the word "overflowing" has its roots in "over". Even "Within" comes form a meaning of "over and in".

Perhaps you can get into detail on the use of "Al" in those cases.

Exactly, you cant prove it means what you say it does so I would rather take the bible for what it says!


Do you know what "and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth" means?

Answer this one please?
 
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Isaiah 44:24
(24) Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, *** I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; ***

John 1:10
(10) *** He was in the world, and the world was made by him ***, and the world knew him not.

Col 1:16 ***For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: ***
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


From the above, we can factually state the Word of God tells us:

1. God made ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF ALONE!
2. JESUS MADE ALL THINGS!
3. The solitary Maker was in the World, and in context, John tells us this is JESUS CHRIST!
4. Either the BIBLE IS IN ERROR OR JESUS IS YAHWEH GOD! We believe the latter.
5. John 1:1 is correctly interpreted as “God”!
6. House of Yahweh and JW's have a real problem here. :yes:


Hey Shermana, were' still waiting for you to answer ONE single point of ours.
Since you refuse, we will accept your defeat. :ko:
 
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