Did Paul Corrupt Christianity?

[Phantasman]

Austin Healey 3000. Yes, they needed constant love and care, but an amazing beast. Today they are hugely collectable.

Yes, I had forgotten about Police Pandas! We have shared a Fiat Panda for over many years now, trying to keep up with model changes.

I didn't choose Deism, it wasn't a decision either. It just flowed into me somehow. I am at peace with it. But I don't need to sell it to anyone because it isn't that kind of condition.

A Christian who lives Christianity may make a bigger difference to the World than a Christian who evangelises, maybe? There are so many Churches, Creeds and Denominations that variation of Faith can be huge, yes?

First, wish it would have been a 3000, but settled for a Sprite. Also, later had a late 50s Hudson (Nash Metropolitan) that had a AH engine in it. Loved the old European cars. Had an early 60s Volvo PV544 as well. Though my favorite would have been (looks) of an MGTD, if I could have had one.

Second, yes. Evangelism has created theocracy's in the world (rather than understanding a theology). Christ never taught theocracy, which is what churches and nations adopted. When a religion becomes a government, the power of a few corrupt the ideology, IMO.

Paul addressed this in Ephesians 6:
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against the worldly governors, the princes of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness, which are in the high places.- 1599 Geneva Bible version.

King James removed what is bold type above, removing the words for his 1612 KJV of the Bible. Since he was a worldly governor, he merely proved why we cannot trust them. Same with Constantine. And Christianity became even more ignorant.

Just my view though.

 

[oldbadger]

First, wish it would have been a 3000, but settled for a Sprite. Also, later had a late 50s Hudson (Nash Metropolitan) that had a AH engine in it. Loved the old European cars. Had an early 60s Volvo PV544 as well. Though my favorite would have been (looks) of an MGTD, if I could have had one.

A friend of mine bought a TD chassis with everything else in bits. He rebuilt it over five years.
The Austin Healey Frog-Eye Sprite is one massively valuable little motor now, and was much better than the MG Midget.

But as you mentioned before modern motors are zillions of times more practical and reliable than back then. Even our Little Fiat Panda has ABS

Second, yes. Evangelism has created theocracy's in the world (rather than understanding a theology). Christ never taught theocracy, which is what churches and nations adopted. When a religion becomes a government, the power of a few corrupt the ideology, IMO.

Paul wrote about 80% of the guidances, rules and Laws there's a list available on the www......... 1050 in total.

Paul addressed this in Ephesians 6:
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against the worldly governors, the princes of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness, which are in the high places.- 1599 Geneva Bible version.

King James removed what is bold type above, removing the words for his 1612 KJV of the Bible. Since he was a worldly governor, he merely proved why we cannot trust them. Same with Constantine. And Christianity became even more ignorant.

Just my view though.

I need reminding about what a Gnostic Christian is.
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[Phantasman]

Did Paul corrupt Christianity ?

To answer your Thread.

That all depends who you are ?

As for coming from a Christian point of view, No.

Actually, if anyone corrupted Christianity, it was the Jews who didn't convert.
Galatians:
13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

The Jews (religion) killed Jesus, and through "orthodox thought" has brought falseness to Jesus truth. Galatians is Paul speaking of the Jews influence on the Gospel, calling it a "false Gospel" (Galatians 1). He speaks of the emerging catholic ideology, that Peter succumbed to. Galatians 2:11-14 .

While the message is clear, orthodox followers will not see it. Paul ends with these words:

Galatians 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Yet orthodoxy believers still see the law, and follow the way of flesh.

 

[Phantasman]

A friend of mine bought a TD chassis with everything else in bits. He rebuilt it over five years.
The Austin Healey Frog-Eye Sprite is one massively valuable little motor now, and was much better than the MG Midget.
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But as you mentioned before modern motors are zillions of times more practical and reliable than back then. Even our Little Fiat Panda has ABS


Paul wrote about 80% of the guidances, rules and Laws there's a list available on the www......... 1050 in total.


I need reminding about what a Gnostic Christian is.
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Gnostic is a made up word. Gnosis in Greek means knowledge. The first Christians sought "spiritual knowledge" (gnosis) from heaven, which is what Jesus spent 3 years teaching. As the catholic ideology gained followers, they condemned such knowledge. By the end of the first century, there were close to 100 gospel messages. Jesus taught many, and many wrote his teachings. Once the catholics became the church of Rome (325AD), all books they didn't agree with were confiscated and destroyed, and many believers were killed as heretics to the catholic church of Rome.

Many early books survived, and the find at Nag Hammdi in 1945, added even more books of followers before the reformation of the church in 325. The books of gnosis were written after Christ left, and many are revelations by the Spirit that Jesus left us with. Spirit speak, so to speak.

Spiritual gnosis contradicts a lot of the OT. And that Jesus was the first time man was introduced to the true spiritual God.

Church goers follow the 300 men in 325 AD that set up the Bible as the word of God. "Gnostics" believed that the God (through the Spirit) influenced many men to write, and through the Holy Spirit we are led into all truth, and understanding such truth comes from the Holy Spirit and not from man.

That's the short version anyways. Thanks for asking.

 

[socharlie]

Actually, if anyone corrupted Christianity, it was the Jews who didn't convert.
Galatians:
13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

The Jews (religion) killed Jesus, and through "orthodox thought" has brought falseness to Jesus truth. Galatians is Paul speaking of the Jews influence on the Gospel, calling it a "false Gospel" (Galatians 1). He speaks of the emerging catholic ideology, that Peter succumbed to. Galatians 2:11-14 .

While the message is clear, orthodox followers will not see it. Paul ends with these words:

Galatians 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Yet orthodoxy believers still see the law, and follow the way of flesh.

the key is here:

14But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15But he who is spiritual
appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 16For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.
The Jews were psychic - soul - natural natures they were not able to accept Christ, their destiny was different and they fulfilled their destiny, otherwise their acceptance of Christ 2000 years ago would not prevent Constantine's corruption of Christianity.

 

[Phantasman]

the key is here:

14But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15But he who is spiritual
appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 16For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.
The Jews were psychic - soul - natural natures they were not able to accept Christ, their destiny was different and they fulfilled their destiny, otherwise their acceptance of Christ 2000 years ago would not prevent Constantine's corruption of Christianity.

"God is a man-eater. For this reason, men are sacrificed to him. Before men were sacrificed, animals were being sacrificed, since those to whom they were sacrificed were not gods."- Gospel of Philip

Spiritual vs flesh.

The trinity of man:
9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.

10) I said to Him, Lord, how does he who sees the vision see it, through the soul or through the spirit?

11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision- Gospel of Mary

 

[socharlie]

"God is a man-eater. For this reason, men are sacrificed to him. Before men were sacrificed, animals were being sacrificed, since those to whom they were sacrificed were not gods."- Gospel of Philip

Spiritual vs flesh.

The trinity of man:
9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.

10) I said to Him, Lord, how does he who sees the vision see it, through the soul or through the spirit?

11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision- Gospel of Mary

they were Archons...

 

[Phantasman]

they were Archons...

You see it.

 

[socharlie]

You see it.

I do and my heart is bleeding...

 

[Faithofchristian]

Actually, if anyone corrupted Christianity, it was the Jews who didn't convert.
Galatians:
13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

The Jews (religion) killed Jesus, and through "orthodox thought" has brought falseness to Jesus truth. Galatians is Paul speaking of the Jews influence on the Gospel, calling it a "false Gospel" (Galatians 1). He speaks of the emerging catholic ideology, that Peter succumbed to. Galatians 2:11-14 .

While the message is clear, orthodox followers will not see it. Paul ends with these words:

Galatians 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Yet orthodoxy believers still see the law, and follow the way of flesh.

Not all Jews killed Jesus.
You have Mary and Joseph and the disciples and those who were true followers of Jesus, Who were Jews.

Therefore not all Jews killed Jesus,
You do have some Jews who were converted.

 

[Phantasman]

Not all Jews killed Jesus.
You have Mary and Joseph and the disciples and those who were true followers of Jesus, Who were Jews.

Therefore not all Jews killed Jesus,
You do have some Jews who were converted.

I explained that in the first line. The ignorance, that the Jews based their religion, is the spirit that caused Jesus to be crucified. Ignorance thought it could eliminate truth, but only made it even greater.

Ignorance is the mother of all evil. Ignorance will result in death, because those who come from ignorance neither were nor are nor shall be. [...] will be perfect when all the truth is revealed. For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom.- Gospel of Philip

Christ had to die to be free and offer the same to us.

 

[socharlie]

I explained that in the first line. The ignorance, that the Jews based their religion, is the spirit that caused Jesus to be crucified. Ignorance thought it could eliminate truth, but only made it even greater.

Ignorance is the mother of all evil. Ignorance will result in death, because those who come from ignorance neither were nor are nor shall be. [...] will be perfect when all the truth is revealed. For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom.- Gospel of Philip

Christ had to die to be free and offer the same to us.

My Gnostic friend, i want to share some revelation i received through number of synchronicity points i connected. But firstly can I ask you a question? Are you familiar with 42 Principles of Maat?

 

[Muffled]

Cover Story: Jesus vs. Paul

Jesus vs. Paul
Many biblical scholars have noted that Jesus preached almost exclusively about the kingdom of heaven, while Paul highlighted justification by faith—and not vice versa. What gives?


Jesus vs. Paul – doctrine.org

I believe both taught both and the difference may simply be a matter of emphasis. One is the goal and one is the means. So maybe Paul is right because you don't get to the goal without the means.

 

[Muffled]

Paul is a trojan horse. He couldn't get anywhere hurling rocks at people's heads, so he infiltrated the group and declared himself a leader in said group and helped himself.

I believe you would do well as a writer. Your fiction is highly imaginative.

 

[Muffled]

Yes, he turned Christianity into a Hellenist Roman Religion.

I believe there is no evidence that he did that.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Not all Jews killed Jesus.

No Jews killed Jesus. Romans did.

The ignorance, that the Jews based their religion, is the spirit that caused Jesus to be crucified.

Even if they had all supported him, Jesus was essentially executed by the Romans as a religious terrorist. More followers wouldn't change the charges.

Ignorance is the mother of all evil.

Like millennia of blaming Jews for what Romans did.

 

[shunyadragon]

I believe there is no evidence that he did that.

I do not think it is a question if Paul, and the Greek and Roman Church Fathers influenced Christianity and Christian theology with Hellenist and Roman philosophy, but to what degree. The following reference is the first that discusses this influence. This reference pis actually mild concerning the influence. More to follow . . .

From: What is Hellenism, and how did it influence the early church?
Question: "What is Hellenism, and how did it influence the early church?"

Answer: Hellenism is the term used to describe the influence of Greek culture on the peoples the Greek and Roman Empires conquered or interacted with. Upon the Jews' return from exile in Babylon, they endeavored to protect their national identity by following the law closely. This led to the rise of the hyper-conservative Pharisees and their added, unnecessary laws. About one hundred years after the Jews returned, Alexander the Great swept across western Asia, extending his territory from his native Greece, down into Egypt, and east to the border of India. The influence of the Greek culture continued past the first century B.C., when the Roman Empire took control of Israel. The Pharisees' rival sect, the Sadducees, welcomed the Greek influence. The Sadducees were wealthy, powerful Jewish aristocrats who openly worked with their Gentile rulers to maintain peace and ensure a measure of political clout. All Jews were influenced by Greek culture, however. The Greek language was as well known as the native Aramaic, the Jewish leadership changed from the God-ordained priesthood to the Sadducee-controlled Sanhedrin, and the law of the land more closely reflected Grecian laws than those given through Moses. Hellenism also expressed itself in minor ways, such as Saul taking the name Paul. Hellenism had a great influence during the early years of Christianity. Sometimes the influence was felt indirectly (safe roads for the missionaries) and sometimes directly (theological synergism). Here are a few ways Hellenism affected Christianity:

 

[shunyadragon]

Not all Jews killed Jesus.
You have Mary and Joseph and the disciples and those who were true followers of Jesus, Who were Jews.

Therefore not all Jews killed Jesus,
You do have some Jews who were converted.

As previously referenced the Jews did not kill Jesus. He was executed as a traitor and rebel against Rome under Roman Law.

 

[Phantasman]

No Jews killed Jesus. Romans did.


Even if they had all supported him, Jesus was essentially executed by the Romans as a religious terrorist. More followers wouldn't change the charges.


Like millennia of blaming Jews for what Romans did.

Pilate found no fault with Jesus. Luke 23:4 , John 19:4

The Romans may have killed Jesus, but at the request of the Jewish Priests who pulled the trigger. John 19:6-7 , Mark 15:11-15

 

[Phantasman]

Not all Jews killed Jesus.
You have Mary and Joseph and the disciples and those who were true followers of Jesus, Who were Jews.

Therefore not all Jews killed Jesus,
You do have some Jews who were converted.

The ignorance of Judaism attempted to kill Christ (gospel). They only succeeded in killing Jesus. Christ was martyred (glorified), as the Father said he would be.