Did SJWs help create Trump?

[Quetzal]

It applies to leftism. There is very little left wing and no right wing at all in American politics. It is two liberal parties screaming heresy at each other.

If you say so.

 

[Neo Deist]

You could also do this by allowing the popular vote to dictate the outcome.

But the USA was founded as a republic. The states have the power with a central government backbone. The states vote for the President. It worked as intended.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would like to think I would be understanding of the unrest and frustration that follows. Which is something opponents seem to want to silence. We can also ask that question to those who voted for Trump.

If you ask this voter, I just accept what happened.
It's less effort than not accepting it, & the consequences
are the same either way.

 

[Quetzal]

But the USA was founded as a republic. The states have the power with a central government backbone. The states vote for the President. It worked as intended.

I agree. I would just be in favor of a system that allows the individual vote to mean more than it does now.

 

[Quetzal]

If you ask this voter, I just accept what happened.

I accept what happened, as well. I just want it to be better, that's all.

 

[Revoltingest]

I accept what happened, as well. I just want it to be better, that's all.

As do we all....or at least most of us.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That seems unknowable.
But it is clear that Hillary failed to inspire many Democrats to bother voting for her.
So in a sense, a great majority voted against her.
The upshot of all this.
She still lost.

Which is the first point in that twice this election what America wanted America did not get. America wanted neither Hillary or Trump, but got stuck with them. Then America plugged its nose to vote for Hillary, but got stuck with Trump anyways. And demographs are shifting to such a point that we may see yet another popular vote winner loose the electoral college. And given how the distribution of Dems/big cities and Reps/rural, it will be the Republicans who come out on top, likely again in an election they are not predicted to win.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I accept what happened, as well. I just want it to be better, that's all.

Lately, I've had to tell many, many people in real life that accepting what happened doesn't mean you have to passively just let things happen. It's actually rather frustrating to hear "it happened, get over it," because that is just never the mentality someone should have towards their government.

 

[MD]

Why should California get to decide who the President is?

Also for those defending the growing Leftist radical movements, you can lose your job and be publicly shamed if you say anything that goes against their narrative. This is not an innocent movement, they want to shape the minds of people to fit their views. Given more power who knows what they can accomplish.

There is no concept of free speech at all with them, there is simply re-education.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

you can lose your job and be publicly shamed if you say anything that goes against their narrative

Wah wah. I'm not aware of any instance where the person in trouble in those instances wasn't violating some non-discrimination clause (whether in private or public service/employment) or just generally being a bigot in the workplace.

 

[SomeRandom]

Wah wah. I'm not aware of any instance where the person in trouble in those instances wasn't violating some non-discrimination clause (whether in private or public service/employment) or just generally being a bigot in the workplace.

Well there was the infamous "Dongle Joke" I suppose. That's not bigoted or violating any non discrimination clause as far as I'm aware. Just a silly off hand joke that turned into a colossal mess. Granted the backlash against the lady for "reporting" it was completely unwarranted, as was her tactic of reporting it. But social media being used to shame people for off color jokes and getting them fired is a legitimate thing (so much so that we're all having to undergo training this month for proper usage of internet at work and I work in a goddamned supermarket!!) Such instances often result in multiple firings for people and everyone involved looking like petulant children. Don't know if one could call it a Social Justice thing, but it's definitely a thing.

 

[Mister Emu]

If you say so.

How many people on the "left" are arguing for state/communal ownership of industry? How many on the "right" are arguing for autocracy? How many on either side argue against liberal democratic republicanism as the method of governance?

 

[buddhist]

I agree. I would just be in favor of a system that allows the individual vote to mean more than it does now.

You only vote in an organization if you're a member of that organization - which means the voting members are the States for the federal Republic. Individual state citizens and nationals (most of the population) are not members of the federal Republic.

State citizens vote to direct their State on how to vote as a member of the federal Republic.

 

[Laika]

Sorry, I know Laika is politically informed so I didn't think to include anything. Look up Weather Underground and its offshoots like M19CO, and the United Freedom Front.

I'll take that as a compliment.

@Quetzal (Communist terrorism in the US peaked around the 60s-80s but Anarchist terrorism dates back into the 19th century.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism#United_States

You asked why the left is distrusted. It is because in the American political landscape, the organized left has a history of terrorism and violence for the purpose of revolutionary incitement. Any sense of a return to that is going to have a response. So when leftists incite violence in response to election results, when they attempt to run roughshod over the ability of detractors to speak, or the myriad things the left does that echoes their historically violent opposition to our way of life, you're going to get a significant push back.

I'm interested as to how McCarthyism became acceptable again in the United States. I'm interested in understanding how a significant number of people on this forum began equating obnoxious and irritating liberals defending peoples rights with those trying to violently overthrow the government.

The far left has never been weaker internationally. even North korea's renounced Socialism because they think its a lost cause.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSSEO253213

The far left candidate with the highest number of votes in the 2016 election got 0.04% of the vote.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Socialism_and_Liberation

Expectation of violence is NOT reality. History of violence is NOT violence being committed now. Individual property damage or abuse in rioting does NOT make an organised conspiracy.

If people start finding "suspects" based on asserting they have committed thought crimes against the government and are to be treated as "enemies of the people" based on the accusation of being involved in a conspiracy to destroy our way of life without a presumption of innonce, a burden of proof or due process of law, it doesn't take a genius to wonder where this is going.

Where is the threat?

 

[Revoltingest]

Which is the first point in that twice this election what America wanted America did not get. America wanted neither Hillary or Trump, but got stuck with them. Then America plugged its nose to vote for Hillary, but got stuck with Trump anyways. And demographs are shifting to such a point that we may see yet another popular vote winner loose the electoral college. And given how the distribution of Dems/big cities and Reps/rural, it will be the Republicans who come out on top, likely again in an election they are not predicted to win.

Likely again?
It's happened 5 times before (so say historians), so there's a better than 10% probability it will happen.
But to say it will favor Pubs is would take some justification.
For many decades, it's favored Dems here in Michiganistan.

 

[esmith]

It happens about 11% of the time a presidential election is held.

If Trump had won the pop vote, & Hillary the EC, what would you think of the rules?

I would like to think I would be understanding of the unrest and frustration that follows. Which is something opponents seem to want to silence. We can also ask that question to those who voted for Trump.

Ok I'll answer.
I would not like it but since the EC is the current Constitutional method used to determine the winner of the Presidential election I would accept it. I seriously doubt that there would be children walking out of school, college and university students walking out of class. Teachers and professors supporting those actions. And there sure wouldn't be riots in the streets; peaceful protest yes.

 

[Quetzal]

Ok I'll answer.
I would not like it but since the EC is the current Constitutional method used to determine the winner of the Presidential election I would accept it. I seriously doubt that there would be children walking out of school, college and university students walking out of class. Teachers and professors supporting those actions. And there sure wouldn't be riots in the streets; peaceful protest yes.

You listed various peaceful protests in a negative connotation and then praise peaceful protests in the very next sentence. Give the kids a break.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well there was the infamous "Dongle Joke" I suppose. That's not bigoted or violating any non discrimination clause as far as I'm aware. Just a silly off hand joke that turned into a colossal mess. Granted the backlash against the lady for "reporting" it was completely unwarranted, as was her tactic of reporting it. But social media being used to shame people for off color jokes and getting them fired is a legitimate thing (so much so that we're all having to undergo training this month for proper usage of internet at work and I work in a goddamned supermarket!!) Such instances often result in multiple firings for people and everyone involved looking like petulant children. Don't know if one could call it a Social Justice thing, but it's definitely a thing.

That's not an issue of "SJW," it's an issue of allowing corporations to have that much control over us. We've never really had to worry about how we "represent the company" before, and I don't think many people realize your company expects you to be a good representative for them, on and off work. Add in the fact a ton of states are "at will" employment, and suddenly everyone from executive to cashier is subject to having their lives invaded like never before. Which is an issue of us having excepted money as our number one priority.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Likely again?
It's happened 5 times before (so say historians), so there's a better than 10% probability it will happen.
But to say it will favor Pubs is would take some justification.
For many decades, it's favored Dems here in Michiganistan.

Yes. Five times, and two of those happened within a very brief span, and during a time in history where we are seeing "rolling" civil rights gains, and each generation is becoming steadily and rapidly more accepting and tolerant of "otherness." During the 2020 elections, Millennials are expected to be a potential majority of voters, and a major voting demograph by 2024, and the iGen will themselves begin voting. However, there will still be droves of Conservatives in rural areas. Today it's still a trend that big cities go blue and rural areas go red, but more and more younger Democrat voters in Texas are going to be never have their votes counted despited it having some of the most populated cities in America, and Florida is so contested that it's another great potential problem spot for the EC and PV being congruent. And because of the rural/city distribution, I doubt we'll ever see the EC favoring the Democrat nominee when the popular does not (*specifically, not under current party alignments*).

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Just wanted to add a funny current event. Trump accuses Hamilton cast in Tweets of harassing Mike pence, and should apologize inmediately, because the theater should always be a safe space.

What was said by Hamilton cast:

I~rony.