Dinosaurs in Vedic Scriptures?

[Aupmanyav]

Who said 'invader'? I said 'migrant'. India was the golden land and Kamboja (somewhere around Kabul) was desolate. So my people migrated to Saraswati valley where there were already many Aryans. We were not invaders, so nobody stopped us. We mixed with the indigenous people and have lived happily ever-after. Had we been in our former place, we would have been converted to Islam by force and would be suffering Taliban now. I think my people made a wise move. And thanks to India, we never felt like aliens here (people do not feel like aliens in India; ask the Jews, Christians, Muslims and Zoroastrians). They even accepted RigVeda as their own.

 

[Stormcry]

What? Aup is an Aryan invader? I thought the Hindus here in general don't think the Aryan invasion theory is accurate? (I probably know ten times more than the average westerner about India, but help me out here)

There ia Aryan Migration now but the conclusions are same. It has been refuted by number of genetic studies both from western & Indian scientists.

Refer this: Dropbox - Genetics_and_the_Aryan_Debate.pdf

 

[George-ananda]

Who said 'invader'? I said 'migrant'. India was the golden land and Kamboja (somewhere around Kabul) was desolate. So my people migrated to Saraswati valley where there were already many Aryans. We were not invaders, so nobody stopped us. We mixed with the indigenous people and have lived happily ever-after. Had we been in our former place, we would have been converted to Islam by force and would be suffering Taliban now. I think my people made a wise move. And thanks to India, we never felt like aliens here (people do not feel like aliens in India; ask the Jews, Christians, Muslims and Zoroastrians). They even accepted RigVeda as their own.

Ah, very interesting. So, genetically are you mixed Aryan and aboriginal or are marriages kept within respective groups?

 

[Aupmanyav]

The aboriginals were a bit farther down the line. Perhaps Aryans inter-married with Dravidians who were included in the four-fold Aryan classification. Dravidians, in their time, may have inter-married with the aboriginals. The mtDNA is most Indians is the same (i.e., men came and raised families with local women).

"Most of the studies based on mtDNA variation have reported genetic unity of Indian populations across language, caste and tribal groups. It is likely that haplogroup M was brought to Asia from East Africa along the southern route by earliest migration wave 60,000 years ago." Genetics and archaeogenetics of South Asia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Indian subcontinent has been populated by a series of migrations propelled by significant technological innovations outside India since the first major expansion of non-African Homo sapiens, probably around 65,000 years before present. The likely major migrations include (i) Austric language speakers soon after 65,000 ybp, probably from northeast (ii) Dravidian speakers around 6,000 ybp from mideast with the knowledge of cultivation of crops like wheat and domestication of animals like cattle, sheep, goats (iii) Indo-European speakers in several waves after 4000 ybp with control over horses and iron technology (iv) Sino-Tibetan speakers in several waves after 6000 ybp with knowledge of rice cultivation." Peopling of India, Demographic History, Global Genetic History

But don't take anything as final. This is a matter of on-going research.

 

[shawn001]

There was a mud volcano in Winder, Ga a few hundred thousand years ago. But mud volcanoes don't produce stuff like this.


It's about as long as my hand. There are two pieces that obviously were once a single piece.

It is way cool, who do you have looking at it?

 

[shawn001]

Science does know this one for a fact. Human's and dinosaurs did not co-exist, by a long shot. There is also overwhelming, without any shadow of a doubt, empirical evidence they did did not.

First humans hadn't evolved yet for a fact.

The asteroid was the size of MT Everest and material even landed on the moon. The entire planet was effected. The KTT Boundary is a fact. Dinosaur fossils and then no dinosaur fossils. The only thing to make that mass extinction event were the relatives of dinosaurs, birds. Very small ancestoral mammals and some reptiles, basically some life that lived in burrows and was underground.

The kinetic energy of 100 billion atomic bombs the size of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki going off at once. It devastated the planet, shock blast, molten material came down all over the planet, tidal waves, sulfuric acid rain, fires, a deep freeze and an earthquake so powerful it would have instantly broken your legs and jammed them into your body. It changed the surface of the entire Earth.


How the Earth Works: Asteroid Armageddon

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram prabhu jis , ...

and what about , ....

Varuna riding the Makara ,.....

Jataayu from the Ramayana

and then there were giants, ....

the Rakshasa Kumbhakana from the Ramayana , ...

then of course there is Garuda

then there was the serpent Vasuki , ...

of course these were not Dinasours but who can say that there were not Dinasours, ....prehaps they prefered a cooler climate , after all india has its far share of other unusual creatures and Giants , .....who can say that this is just mythology ???

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. of course these were not Dinasours but who can say that there were not Dinasours, ..

Ratiben, if you notice you are contradicting your own statement.

 

[jonathan180iq]

It is way cool, who do you have looking at it?

Tellus Science Museum in Cartersville, Ga.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The asteroid was the size of MT Everest and material even landed on the moon. The entire planet was effected. The KTT Boundary is a fact. Dinosaur fossils and then no dinosaur fossils. The only thing to make that mass extinction event were the relatives of dinosaurs, birds. Very small ancestoral mammals and some reptiles, basically some life that lived in burrows and was underground.

The kinetic energy of 100 billion atomic bombs the size of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki going off at once. It devastated the planet, shock blast, molten material came down all over the planet, tidal waves, sulfuric acid rain, fires, a deep freeze and an earthquake so powerful it would have instantly broken your legs and jammed them into your body. It changed the surface of the entire Earth.

Humans are puny against the forces of nature.

 

[shivsomashekhar]

There ia Aryan Migration now but the conclusions are same. It has been refuted by number of genetic studies both from western & Indian scientists.

Refer this: Dropbox - Genetics_and_the_Aryan_Debate.pdf

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of course these were not Dinasours but who can say that there were not Dinasours, ....prehaps they prefered a cooler climate , after all india has its far share of other unusual creatures and Giants , .....who can say that this is just mythology ???

Some people can, some cannot.

These stories are fact to some, as they consider the source to be authoritative enough to not require corroboration. With this type of faith in the source, water to wine, Vasuki, talking monkeys, etc., are all real.

They are myths to others, because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and in all of the above cases, there is no evidence at all.

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram Aupmanyav ji , ....

Ratiben, if you notice you are contradicting your own statement.

Hee Heee , ...no no not quite , ....''of course these were not Dinasours'' .....it is true these are not dinasours , ...ie Makara is not a Dinasour , ....Garuda is not a Dinasour , ...etc etc , ...,'' but who can say that there were not Dinasours ''(as well as these creatures ) after all you dont see Makara's around these days do you , ....or do you ???

just because I canot spell Dinosauras , ....you are picking on me .............




Hmmmm and I have a realy serious complaint , ...mods please take note what are all these adds defacing the pictures of our highly revered immages , ....I realy realy dont like it !!!


these adds are defacing my beautifull Ganapati this is 'my photo' of my Deity on my shrine I am not ammused ,
post 23 ..... ''Do you dress your Home Murti ?''

No one should advertise over a sacred object ....I will now have to remove it

Dear Mods , ...if this website is collecting revenue in this way then I think I might have to contemplate leaving I dont care about adds down the side but adds on My personal photograps which I share with freinds is totaly unacceptable !!!

 

[shawn001]

Tellus Science Museum in Cartersville, Ga.

I am very interested in knowing what it is, when do you find out?

This is a rare Ammonite fossil I have. I think somehwere between 300 and 200 million years old.

Par of it is starting to opalize.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is a beautiful Ammonite.

Shaligram: Shila, (शिला in Devanagari, śila in IAST) or Shaligram refers to a fossilized stone used to invoke God, and as a representation of God. Shaligram is usually collected from sacred river beds or on the banks. Shiva worshipers use nearly round or oval shaped Shaligrams to worship as Shiva Linga. Vaishnavas (Hindu) use aniconic representation of Vishnu, in the form of a spherical, usually black-coloured Ammonoid fossil found in the sacred river Gandak. (Wikipedia)

 

[Aupmanyav]

Hee Heee , ...no no not quite , ....''of course these were not Dinasours'' .....it is true these are not dinasours , ...ie Makara is not a Dinasour , ....Garuda is not a Dinasour , ...etc etc , ...,'' but who can say that there were not Dinasours ''(as well as these creatures ) after all you dont see Makara's around these days do you , ....or do you ?

Yes, crocodiles are related to dinosaurs but not really dinosaurs. It is like a chimp/ape/orangutan/baboon/monkey/human relationship. And the creatures mentioned in our books were not dinosaurs. But science proves that dinos and humans did not exist at the same time.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Hmmmm and I have a realy serious complaint , ...mods please take note what are all these adds defacing the pictures of our highly revered immages , ....I realy realy dont like it !!!

these adds are defacing my beautifull Ganapati this is 'my photo' of my Deity on my shrine I am not ammused ,
post 23 ..... ''Do you dress your Home Murti ?'' No one should advertise over a sacred object ....I will now have to remove it

Dear Mods , ...if this website is collecting revenue in this way then I think I might have to contemplate leaving I dont care about adds down the side but adds on My personal photograps which I share with freinds is totaly unacceptable !!!

Ratiben, I do not see any advertisement on Ganesha photograph in your post #23.

 

[SomeRandom]

namaskaram prabhu jis , ...

and what about , ....

Varuna riding the Makara ,.....

Jataayu from the Ramayana

and then there were giants, ....

the Rakshasa Kumbhakana from the Ramayana , ...

then of course there is Garuda

then there was the serpent Vasuki , ...

of course these were not Dinasours but who can say that there were not Dinasours, ....prehaps they prefered a cooler climate , after all india has its far share of other unusual creatures and Giants , .....who can say that this is just mythology ???

First one looks like a crocodile with a dog's head. It's like a cute croc. Crocodiles actually share a common ancestor with Dinos.

Second one (bird looking thing) looks kind of like a Pheonix. That's interesting. It also looks like the chariot is being pulled by Dragons. Common across the globe's cultures, not any specific ones.

Third looks like proof that Johnathan Swift may have plagiarized!

The fourth is a giant bird? Cool.

The final one is a snake.

Of course, there might be a couple of lingering ghosts of the ancient variety of dinosaurs that we just haven't encountered. Mainly deep sea ones. They have pulled some.......er interesting things from the ocean over the years.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The croc in the first image is very poorly done. I suppose it was done by a Kangra Painter who might not have seen a crocodile. Second is visibly East Asian.

Third is one of the most interesting personality of Ramayana. "Along with his brothers, Ravana and Vibhishana, he performed a major yajna and penance for Lord Brahma. When the time came for asking a boon (blessing) from Brahma, his tongue was tied by goddess Saraswati (acting on Indra's request). So instead of asking "Indraasana" (seat of Indra), he asked for "Nidraasana" (bed for sleeping)." (Wikipedia) He was of Huge proportions. When Ravana's army was loosing, Lankans tried to wake him up. The image shows the effort. Drums beaten near his ear, drums of water thrown on his body, his body pinched with spears and finally elephants were brought to goad him to wakefulness. When he finally awoke and heard the story of Mother Sita's abduction, he requested Ravana to return Mother Sita honorably. Ravana did not listen to him and like Bheeshma in Mahabharata, Kumbhakarna remained loyal to Ravana and chose to fight on his brother's side. After becoming drunk, Kumbhakarna went into battle. He devastated Rama's army, injured Hanuman, and knocked Sugriva unconscious and took him as a prisoner but was finally killed by Rama. Kumbhakarna is respected in Hinduism but Vibhishan, the youngest brother, who sided with Rama is faulted for being a traitor to his brother. No father will name his son Vibhishana, though he was a great devotee of Lord Rama.

The fourth is Lord Vishnu riding Garuda. The final one is Samudra-manthana (Churning of the Ocean) with Gods on one side and demons on the other. The spindle being Mount Mandara (Aup. think that it was perhaps Mount Menaka. Mount Meru being another famous mythological mountain) and the string being Vasuki, the great snake. The things that came out of the ocean are depicted at the top, Surya's horse, Uccaishrava, Goddess Lakshmi, a pitcher of a very strong poison (Halahala, which Lord Shiva had to drink to save the world, and a pitcher of nectar which returned strength to the Gods (the lesser ones). You can read the story here: Samudra manthan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Stormcry]

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[ratikala]

namaskaram ,

Makara is not a crocodile , he is supposed to be a sea monster with some qualities of a crocodile , ...the lower jawis said to be crocodile like and he has the trunk of an elephant , ....you see him too in Buddhist mythology exept prehaps we should not take it as mythology !

Makara also is said to have serpant like qualities , to the Thai they are ptotectors and are often seen adorning many parts of temples and flank the entrance steps , ...

the Thai Ramayana has many deagons serpents and unidentifies beasties , ...

and in Burma they have Chinthe who guard the temples , ....

and the Pyinsa Rupa who lile the Makara has many atributes , but this is not makara they have Makaras , Garuda s and Nagas too

whole point is just to say there is mention of many creatures including Giants in works like the Ramayana , ...
all these were existing along side man , ...

and here I hope this time the picture of Kumbhakana , .....maybe he is a Giant maybe he is more of a beastie ?