The sciences deal in evidence, not "proof"; that's part of mathematics, logic, and philosophy.
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dinosaurs never existed. The dinosaur fossils were created by paleontologist scam artists.
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The sciences deal in evidence, not "proof"; that's part of mathematics, logic, and philosophy.
Purusha
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Proof as in what I meant is evidence and there is no evidence either. You have to post more information on this for me to take you serious, don't argue just for the sake of arguing.
We're told that the first North American discovery of a dinosaur skeleton which “proved dinosaurs were real” was by William Parker Foulke in 1858. It seems that 20 years earlier a man named Hopkins found some large animal bones in a marl pit in New Jersey and had them on display in his home. Foulke learned of this and went to the site and allegedly pulled out “the first nearly complete skeleton of a dinosaur” called a Hadrosaurus. This skeleton became the first to be put on public display and caused quite a sensation.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2495685/posts
However, it turns out that the skull used in the initial display was a fake one that was manufactured using an iguana skull as a model. The fake iguana type skull was later replaced with a duck bill type skull which is now said to belong to another dinosaur (in other words it's fake too) and ... well this is what the above link has to say about it …
“ Above is the full-size Hadrosaurus mount currently on display at the New Jersey State Museum in Trenton. The posture is now recognized as incorrect. At the same time the skeleton is fitted with the wrong skull of another type of duck-bill dinosaur. Signs at the exhibit acknowledge that both the mounted skeleton as well as nearby illustrated depictions of what the living animal looked like are both wrong. Both are slated for correction at some unspecified future date.”
So, the landmark dinosaur skeleton that “proved to the world that dinosaurs are real” is acknowledged as a misrepresentation.
That link is not a scientific website, it's a political one. Therefore, it is unreliable as a source of scientific information, as we can safely assume anything it has to say is politically motivated first-and-foremost.
Besides, these are just speaking on some of the earlier finds where the initial reconstructions were inaccurate (as they would be).
What, then, on Dakotaraptor?
psychoslice
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There's even a few still here today, the elephant, the whales, its no big deal lol.
psychoslice
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There is much proof, if your game to look.
Indeed. Gigantism is pretty uncommon, which is REALLY disappointing for those of us who like us some giant monsters. I want my Ceadeus, darn it!!!! (actually, no I don't, that would be REALLY bad)
Purusha
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Just like a sheep, you believe anything which is labelled as science without applying your brains to it. Just because this theory is opposed, many assume it must be due to religious reasons, no it is not. It is trying to understand the pseudo-scientific fraud of the so called scammers.
Purusha
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This is very weak from you, don't you think ?
psychoslice
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So you are a great scientist, mmmm, or are you influenced by religion ?.
No answer, then?
What, then, on the dinosaurs that are still alive?
Yup. I mean, they had to be doing something in those decades earning PhDs in various geological fields somehow. (Though real fossils are rarely on display, for what I hope are obvious reasons... but I have seen a real T-rex skull.)
If you don't trust them (which is totally fine), go out in the field and do it yourself. Just try not to accidentally dig something out of ground that's part of a Reservation; that tends to get ... sticky.
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Theweirdtophat
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I'm into a lot of conspiracies but even I don't buy this. The fact that it's a whole scam doesn't really make sense. You know, it takes time to make those and some of the fossils were huge? NOBODY saw what these guys were doing when they were making gigantic stone sculptures? And so they put them underneath tons of dirt without anyone noticing? Even in Tar pits? And cave men never existed either? What?
The Earth is way older than people think it is and you really think not one of those fossils may have belonged to a creature that once existed and that every one of them is fake? Something doesn't add up.
Goes to show, not all conspiracy theorists believe in every single conspiracy theory, like lots of people like to believe. I believe in quite a few, but not this one.
The Earth is way older than people think it is and you really think not one of those fossils may have belonged to a creature that once existed and that every one of them is fake? Something doesn't add up.
Goes to show, not all conspiracy theorists believe in every single conspiracy theory, like lots of people like to believe. I believe in quite a few, but not this one.
Not sandstone that's for sure. It was a partial dimetrodon skull. I was looking at the sockets for its teeth and the sinus bone of its lower jaw. One of the teeth was removed to see if a root passage was present. It wasn't, but the remains still held some cavities and porus landmarks consistent with the bone it occupied.
I've done casts of stone, resin, plastics, plasters, none of them could have preserved covered chambers. I'd love to know how you think tiny, even microscopic structures could have been forged in unbroken fossils.
Oh and the fossil was also tested at multiple points via potassium-argon radiometric dating. And it dates back to long before humans were around. It wasn't a plant.
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Because fossils aren't necessarily made of the same stuff they're buried in, and silica sand isn't very soluble.. Generally they're made atom by atom as the bone slowly disintegrates and calcium &al are replaced by dissolved minerals or metals. This is why the microstructure -- cells, blood vessels, &c -- is often preserved, and how a femur shaped block of concrete (or mortar as your post describes it) is so easily distinguished from an actual fossil.
Have you ever examined sandstone? It's a soft, porous stuff. You can dislodge sand grains with your thumb; not like the hard, dense stone or metal of a fossil at all.
And how can these big grains of sand reproduce microscopic cell structure?
Manufacturing: Big fossils are often dug out of mountain tops and escarpments in remote areas. Extraction can take years, and the sites are often visited by hundreds of workers, students and tourists. How would scientific conspirators manage to bury fake molds in solid rock on top of a mountain? A concrete pond containing a manufactured statue would be even more unlikely -- both difficult to achieve and immediately obvious to visitors.
This manufactured fossil idea is harder to swallow than "Satan put them there" or UFOs.
firedragon
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I'm already laughing myself silly.
It matters not where this ancient dino theory is posted now do it?
By the way. EVERYONE KNOWS the holocaust never really happened.
It's a Jewish scam.
WWII never occurred either, nor did the American Civil War as there was NO reason
for such a conflict. Slavery never existed you see.
Slavery is just another Liberal myth.
Lol. I wasnt born either, its my spirit from the meta world.
firedragon
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A year back I was trying to figure out the real size of each dinosaur since I had read that most of the dinosaur skeletons on display were replicas made out of plaster or metal. I had thought that the real fossils were actual bone but than when I did a research I found out that dinosaur fossils were not bones but rock sediments like sandstone, limestone, etc. Their are various rock sediments but the main ones that dinosaur and prehistoric animal fossils are made out of are sandstone which is sand and cement mixed. Rock sediments are tiny powder pieces of rock or sand and this case its SAND.
My suspicion grew. How could a skeleton system made out of real bone turn into rock. The claim is just outrageous so I did a research. I researched what fossils where, what a rock sediment was, when and who discovered the dinosaurs by date and what where the first discovered dinosaurs. What I found was surprising.
To make the explanation short. I found out that CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND masonries had been producing statues and ornaments made out of sand since ancient history going back to the time of egypt. All they were doing was mixing sand and cement to produce a sandstone object. So what the paleontologist scam artists did was to borrow these techniques to produce a sandstone fossil. Further explanation below.
Anyway here is long explanation.
dinosaurs, cavemen and prehistoric animals never existed. Fossils are rock sediment impressions made out of rock sediments like sandstone and not bone. You can mix wet cement and sand to produce a sandstone fossil and can even use lime powder to produce a limestone fossil. You would pour the wet cement into a mold of a dinosaur skeleton you created and once its dry you would have a legit dinosaur fossil. You can watch my vids to how create some.
Background Story on this. The first dinosaur fossils were created by paleontologist scam artists. The first paleo scam artists that started from 1856-1890 the scamming is O.C mash, joseph leidy and edward cope who were close friends and who created most of the dinos in the jurrassic and early cretaceous period which they sold for millions to museums and got millions from the government. Their family members and employees like C.H. Sternberg would continue their scamming of creating dinosaur fossils of the late cretaceous period and selling them. C.H. Sternberg would be the fourth youngest member that would continue the fossil creating and scamming into the 1900's along with his family members after the 3 died.
More EXTRA Info
Dinosaur Fossils cannot be carbon tested but instead the terrain on which they are found is tested by sedimentary layers testing. A rocky terrain layer has several layers and the deeper the layer/lower the layer the older its considered but not all terrains have the same amount of rock sedimentary layers.
So the scam artists, O.C marsh, joseph leidy and edward cope created the fossils and than picked a location in isolated locations in colorado and Wyoming than spilled some pool of watery lime/sand mixed with cement on the location and than buried the fossils in the spilled pool of sand/lime mixed cement. Once it was dry they pretended to be digging in that location of course they had armed men preventing anyone from spying on what they were doing. Colorado and Wyoming is the location where the the 3 would find all of their dino fossils whereas by concidence Their friend C.H sternberg would move to canada and by considence find all the fossil he found of late cretacous period in canada. Bruan Brown would Join C.H sternberg. From Joseph Liedy, O.C marsh, edward cope and C.H sternberg the newer generations of paleontologist scam artists would emerge and learn from them and continue their scamming till the present time.
The government never questioned or tested the fossils because the put the trust on 3 paleontologists who were the culprits in the scamming in the first place.
Before 1856 dinosaurs were not accepted by the public as real. Some people had claimed to find just a tooth, or a shoulder fossil of a large lizard but they were not able to convince the people so the 3 paleo scam artists created a full skeleton of a fake lizard which they called a dinosaurs
Okay LET ME make this more clearer. Before 1856 DINOSAURS DID NOT EXIST AND NO ONE EVEN NEW WHAT THE TERM DINOSAURS. You must REALIZE DINOSAUR FOSSILS WERE NEVER BEEN FOUND BEFORE 1856 that is was Jospeh LIEDY and W.P. Foulke that would create the first dinosaur fossil. W.P. Foulke worked for Jospeh Liedy. Jospeh Liedy was starter of the SCAMMING AND WOULD BECOME THE LEADER in the scamming.
Before 1856 the only people that had claimed to find GIANT LIZARD bone fragments was Gildeon Mantell and Richard OWENs who worked together in trying to convince people in ENGLAND that they had found a sandstone fossil tooth and shoulder bone of a UNKOWN GIANT LIZARD around 1822. The reasons Gidleon Mantell created the fossils was because he opposed Charles Darwin theory of evolution. Charles darwin 1809-1882 had become popular and lived in England during the time Gildeon mantell 1790-Died 1852 (aged 62) was alive. Richard Owens would backstave Gidleon Mantell and separate. Both were unable to convince England people that Giant Lizards had existed and IT WOULDn't BE UNTIL Joseph Liedy that RICHARD owens ideas would be accepted but Gideon Mantell died by that time, suicide. Joseph Liedy would borrow Gildeon technique and during this time when Gildeon was alive England had become the center of sandstone statue production.
what is a fossil
Paleontologist even know how to create replicas using molds.
Thank you for reading. You can visit my youtube page for more videos if you are curious more.
Joseph Liedy, O.C marsh and Edward Cope would work together to create the dinosaur fossils of the jurassic and early cretacous peroid in the so called first dinosaur rush.
C.H Sternberg, his sons, Barnum Brown would create the dinosaur fossils of the late cretacous peroid in canada in the second dinosaur rush discovery after working with LIEDY, marsh and cope. .The first and second dinosaur rush were the only peroids where most of the famous dinosaurs were be discovered but they weren't discovered but created.
I have studied evolution in university but its very fleeting and quite inferior, I mean my knowledge and the syllabus was only a fraction. So, being not an expert, what about the carbondating? What did they date?
Carbon dating only works when you have actual, uncontaminated carbon to work with, less than ~50,000 years old.
Dino fossils: No carbon. Too old.
There are other dating methods, though.
would you kindly provide actual links to the sources of your images and claims?
It strikes me as unbelievable that over a period a couple hundred years, tens of thousands, to perhaps hundreds of thousands of people have studied paleontology, dug up fossils, studied them in great detail, published articles and books and reports, attended meetings, put their findings on public display....and yet...
and yet...
No one's conscience has ever gotten the better of them, no one ever began their studies and then discovered to their horror that it was all a sham, no one ever realized the fame and potential fortune that could come their way by revealing this dishonesty, no one has ever changed their mind about participating in this fraud and come forward to reveal what is actually going on: wholesale fabrication of fossils (using, apparently, nothing but sandstone) and the creation of a whole body of knowledge and profession from imagination and thin air...and faked sandstone (!) fossils.
And yet, recent research shows that a large-scale conspiracy would founder and be revealed in just a few years, at most: http://phys.org/news/2016-01-equation-large-scale-conspiracies-quickly-reveal.html
Which is more likely:
1) a successful centuries-long conspiracy, or
2) that a proposed centuries-long conspiracy--lacking any solid evidence (except for sandstone fossils) or any clear substantial motive--is actually false.
The OP of this thread has made a claim; the evidence presented is so amateurish and flimsy that it cannot be taken seriously by anyone with any knowledge or experience in the field. The reasoning of the OP is clearly flawed. The OP refuses to accept any of the valid evidence to the contrary of their proposal, and continues to repeat the same ridiculous arguments.
While this has been somewhat entertaining, I think it's time to move on...
and yet...
No one's conscience has ever gotten the better of them, no one ever began their studies and then discovered to their horror that it was all a sham, no one ever realized the fame and potential fortune that could come their way by revealing this dishonesty, no one has ever changed their mind about participating in this fraud and come forward to reveal what is actually going on: wholesale fabrication of fossils (using, apparently, nothing but sandstone
) and the creation of a whole body of knowledge and profession from imagination and thin air...and faked sandstone (!) fossils.And yet, recent research shows that a large-scale conspiracy would founder and be revealed in just a few years, at most: http://phys.org/news/2016-01-equation-large-scale-conspiracies-quickly-reveal.html
Which is more likely:
1) a successful centuries-long conspiracy, or
2) that a proposed centuries-long conspiracy--lacking any solid evidence (except for sandstone fossils
) or any clear substantial motive--is actually false.The OP of this thread has made a claim; the evidence presented is so amateurish and flimsy that it cannot be taken seriously by anyone with any knowledge or experience in the field. The reasoning of the OP is clearly flawed. The OP refuses to accept any of the valid evidence to the contrary of their proposal, and continues to repeat the same ridiculous arguments.
While this has been somewhat entertaining, I think it's time to move on...
So what is it about my statements that you have issue with? That fossils were known of thousands of years ago? That DNA has been found in Neanderthal fossils? If the DNA sequenced in the Neanderthal genome project wasn't from a Neanderthal fossil, then where was it from?
I never said that "dinosaur" fossils were known back then. I only said "fossils". In this particular case, fish and sea shell fossils: "In the 6th century B.C.E. Xenophanes of Colophon (died ca. 490 B.C.E.), who was a disciple of Anaximander, developed Anaximander's theories further. He observed fossil fishes and shells, and concluded that the land where they were found had been underwater at some time."
What about fossilized shark teeth found to wash up on beaches? Did the conspirators make a bunch of fake teeth, dump them into the ocean and then hope that they would wash up on beaches for random people to find?
If dinosaur fossils are simply cast from molds, then how did the hoaxers create microscopic internal structures within them analogous to real bone?[/quote]
If all fossils are fakes composed of sandstone or limestone cast from molds, then there would be no such thing as "subfossils" (remains that are only partially fossilized). Yet subfossils do exist, like this partially fossilized piece of wood. How could subfossils be faked?
Also, why are there "Christianity" and "Jesus" tags on this thread? Seems pretty irrelevant to whether dinosaurs are real or not.
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