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Discrimination in the Catholic Church

kepha31

kepha31

Active Member
sojourner said:
No, because discrimination depends upon the withholding of something to which one is entitled by right. Since neither Holy Orders or Marriage are rights to which one is entitled, the denial of such to persons for whatever reason does not constitute discrimination.
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This answers the OP. There is no discrimination in the Catholic Church.

Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual based on their membership in a certain group or category. It involves the actual behaviors towards groups such as excluding or restricting members of one group from opportunities that are available to another group. The term began to be used as an expression of derogatory racial prejudice in the 1830s from Thomas D. Rice's performances as "Jim Crow".
Since the American Civil War the term 'discrimination' generally evolved in American English usage as an understanding of prejudicial treatment of an individual based solely on their race, later generalized as membership in a certain socially undesirable group or social category.
Discrimination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
E. Nato Difficile

E. Nato Difficile

Active Member
kepha31 said:
There is no discrimination in the Catholic Church.

Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual based on their membership in a certain group or category. It involves the actual behaviors towards groups such as excluding or restricting members of one group from opportunities that are available to another group.
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According to this description, that's exactly what the Catholic Church does to women and gay couples: it excludes and restricts them from opportunities available to men and straight couples in the Church.

-Nato
 
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Falcon

Member
Both God and His Church love the sinner but hate the sin . Homosexual acts is a deadly sin.
Jesus never ordained any women and thus neither His Church. Take it up with Jesus .We do not understand everything concerning the ways of God.
 
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Falcon

Member
So you let the cat out of the bag; [ in your last post ] you've proved you never was a Catholic , and you proven yourself an outright liar.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Falcon said:
I know sojourner was never Catholic [ even though he claims he was] because he knows nothing about the Catholic Faith.
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1) So, now you've got nothing but ad hominem. Where is your great compendium of Catholic knowledge now, Falcon?
2) I have yet to see you spout any great knowledge of the Catholic faith.:rolleyes:
[shifts eyes conspiratorially] Perhaps you're not really a Catholic...

BTW: I am a Scotsman by blood...
 
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Falcon

Member
sojourner, most of my Catholic knowledge that I've wrote on this forum has come directly out of the Holy Bible, more than I can say for your answers.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Falcon said:
Both God and His Church love the sinner but hate the sin . Homosexual acts is a deadly sin.
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I stopped believing this a long time ago. I've heard a fair bit of real hate for homosexuals, both from laity encouraged by the Church and from priests themselves during Mass.

Falcon said:
Jesus never ordained any women and thus neither His Church. Take it up with Jesus .We do not understand everything concerning the ways of God.
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Did Jesus institute the college of cardinals?

According to the normal Catholic interpretation, Jesus appointed the first Pope directly. How do you get from that to the idea that Popes can be elected?
 
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Falcon

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9-10ths Penguin, in response to your post # 431, I've attended Mass over a good part of this earth , and many states in our great country , but I have never , not once , ever hear a Catholic priest tell anybody that gays , men or women , were not allowed in Christ's good Church, not once, but I have heard them talk about how homsexuality is a mortal sin. And if any priest ever by chance preached the way you say, then there is a good chance that man isn't a priest any longer or he has left and joined one of the more liberal Protestant churches or cults.
 
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Mellonhead

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I don't care if God is real, which, frankly I doubt (only saying this because I'm not sure if i filled in my religious affiliation (or lack of one) and want to be perfectly clear).

Any empty discrimination against homosexual behavior is primitive and barbaric. There is no negative effect from it, period. The world is over populated, it doesn't cause any sort of health or wellness problems. It's empty hate fueled by ancient words, and I honestly think anyone who can say they hate a gay person for no other reason than that their God says it's wrong, is a completely insufferable moron. Discrimination without cause is inexcusable.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Falcon said:
9-10ths Penguin, in response to your post # 431, I've attended Mass over a good part of this earth , and many states in our great country , but I have never , not once , ever hear a Catholic priest tell anybody that gays , men or women , were not allowed in Christ's good Church,
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Neither have I, though I've seen churches that would be very unwelcoming toward homosexual people.

Falcon said:
not once, but I have heard them talk about how homsexuality is a mortal sin. And if any priest ever by chance preached the way you say, then there is a good chance that man isn't a priest any longer or he has left and joined one of the more liberal Protestant churches or cults.
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No, I doubt that. The one I was thinking of was a guest priest who got brought in for a special homily during the runup to the legalization of same-sex marriage here. He was chosen specifically for his message, so I doubt that he'd have gotten in trouble for it.

Now... part of our different viewpoints may be that we set the bar for "hate the sinner" at different points. I've seen quite a bit of very nasty stuff put out by various groups that I considered quite hateful to actual people, but that the groups themselves claimed was an example of "love the sinner, hate the sin".

AFAIK, the general approach of the Catholic Church toward homosexual people has been "don't actually execute them or beat them up yourself, but make their lives as miserable as possible in subtle ways, and if you can get them to commit suicide themselves, go for it." I wouldn't ca this approach "loving".
 
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Falcon

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9-10ths Penguin, Jesus never personlly appointed Matthias, but Peter did when a replacement for Judas was needed , same way with Peter , Jesus appointed Peter then after Linus was appointed for the replacement of Peter , so on and so on, down through the centuries.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Falcon said:
9-10ths Penguin, Jesus never personlly appointed Matthias, but Peter did when a replacement for Judas was needed , same way with Peter , Jesus appointed Peter then after Linus was appointed for the replacement of Peter , so on and so on, down through the centuries.
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Well, no. Not "and so on and so on". What you describe is an arrangement where each Pope appoints his own successor. What we have now is an arrangement where the successor is appointed by a committee. If Christ instituted the first system (though I wonder what you would point to in the Bible to say he did), then how could it be okay for the Church to switch to the current system?
 
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