Discrimination in the Catholic Church

[sojourner]

So you let the cat out of the bag; [ in your last post ] you've proved you never was a Catholic , and you proven yourself an outright liar.

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:beach:

 

[sojourner]

sojourner, most of my Catholic knowledge that I've wrote on this forum has come directly out of the Holy Bible, more than I can say for your answers.

For a Catholic, you sure are flirting with sola scriptura.

Sure you're Catholic, are you?

Psssst... [whispers] It's OK... we know...

 

[sojourner]

There is much more discrimination towards the Church then there is in the church

I will say that there is an awful lot of bias against the RCC -- to an unfair degree. And much of it is based out of ignorance.

And what some have been spouting here isn't helping the RCC cause.

 

[sojourner]

9-10ths Penguin, in response to your post # 431, I've attended Mass over a good part of this earth , and many states in our great country , but I have never , not once , ever hear a Catholic priest tell anybody that gays , men or women , were not allowed in Christ's good Church, not once, but I have heard them talk about how homsexuality is a mortal sin. And if any priest ever by chance preached the way you say, then there is a good chance that man isn't a priest any longer or he has left and joined one of the more liberal Protestant churches or cults.

Why on earth would a "more liberal church" preach against homosexuality???

To say that homosexuality is a mortal sin is to say that homosexuals are mortally sinful. That is hate speech.

 

[sojourner]

I take it I'm forgiven. You really outta milk it, though. There's a chance I'd grovel.

God, I'd love to see that!
opcorn:

 

[sojourner]

Well, no. Not "and so on and so on". What you describe is an arrangement where each Pope appoints his own successor. What we have now is an arrangement where the successor is appointed by a committee. If Christ instituted the first system (though I wonder what you would point to in the Bible to say he did), then how could it be okay for the Church to switch to the current system?

It's certainly not Biblical. I can't remember but once when Jesus said, "Appointest thou committees." And that was in reference to confronting sinners.

 

[Falcon]

sojourner, why not admit you lied . You purposely made like you was at one time a Catholic , you used this ploy [ outright lie ] to make everybody thing that you've been on both sides of the fence. In the future please response back to my Bible backed answers, if you can that is, with Bible verses or don't bother answering me at all , I don't care to read your man-made spiel .

 

[sojourner]

Penguin, Wrong you are fish breath, Matthias was also appointed by a committee. Try reading the Bible, it is all explained.

Jesus: Simon, you are Peter...
Falcon: Penguin, you are Fish Breath...

Jesus: Truly I tell you, I do not know you...
Falcon: Truly I tell you, Sojourner, you have never been Catholic...

This whole "imitation of Christ" thing doesn't seem to be working out too well for you, Falcon...

 

[Falcon]

Jesus appointed His group a committee of Apostles and they in turn appointed a replacement for Matthias .And His Apostles consecrated priests ,for example Paul, Barnabas, Timothy , Titus and Matthias Acts 13v 3, 14: 22, 1: 24- 26, and Titus 1: 5 . ] What other lies do u have for correction ?

 

[sojourner]

sojourner, why not admit you lied . You purposely made like you was at one time a Catholic , you used this ploy [ outright lie ] to make everybody thing that you've been on both sides of the fence. In the future please response back to my Bible backed answers, if you can that is, with Bible verses or don't bother answering me at all , I don't care to read your man-made spiel .

I'm not going to run my resume here. Suffice to say that your speculation on the matter is just that: Speculation. And monumentally unimportant. I have been on both sides of the fence, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Since I'm not bound to sola scriptura (unlike you), I shall continue to rebut your rantings as I see fit (within forum boundaries).

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Penguin, Wrong you are fish breath, Matthias was also appointed by a committee. Try reading the Bible, it is all explained.

Matthias wasn't Pope.

Which committee appointed Linus?

 

[sojourner]

Matthias wasn't Pope.

Which committee appointed Linus?

The Peanuts gallery?

 

[Songbird]

God, I'd love to see that!
opcorn:

Say something agreeable which I misinterpret as insulting (I have no idea...I was reading too quickly?), then when I retort with force, keep being kind. When I reread and realize I was mistaken, I'll feel pretty stupid and indebted to you for a while.

 

[Falcon]

Sojourner and penguin, for supposed Christians , I find it difficult to believe you both can't find the passage that explains the selection of Matthias as a relacement for Judas by a " commitee " [ group of clergymen, in this case the Apostles and later any future selection of replacements are done by their Successors ] Read it in Acts 1 : 15-26 . Hope you can comprehend and able to connect the dots between a committee for selecting Matthias and in a committee of Apostolic successors in seleting future Popes ?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Sojourner and penguin, for supposed Christians ,

:sarcastic
Since when am I a supposed Christian? I'm an atheist.

I find it difficult to believe you both can't find the passage that explains the selection of Matthias as a relacement for Judas by a " commitee " [ group of clergymen, in this case the Apostles and later any future selection of replacements are done by their Successors ] Read it in Acts 1 : 15-26 . Hope you can comprehend and able to connect the dots between a committee for selecting Matthias and in a committee of Apostolic successors in seleting future Popes ?

No, I can't connect the dots, because Matthias was never Pope.

By the same logic, because God called women to various positions and duties, it would be okay for the modern church to ordain them as priests.

 

[Franz]

Hi, I'm new here , how do I find out where the rules are located, and explain to me about the feed-back site, I'm at a loss to where all this information is located . Thank you

 

[kepha31]

According to this description, that's exactly what the Catholic Church does to women and gay couples: it excludes and restricts them from opportunities available to men and straight couples in the Church.

-Nato

This was not always the case. In the 60's, homosexuals were being ordained, and it led to a disaster. 80% of sex scandals are from homosexual priests who were ordained during that time frame. You are saying the Church should ordain homosexuals so we can have more scandals. Besides, if you actually look at the restrictions as they are now, it is possible for a homosexual to be ordained, but they must demonstrate sound psychological and spiritual formation and be properly equipped for the demands of celibacy.

As for discrimination against women, you make this conclusion based on superficial observations. There is no discrimination against women anymore than God discriminates against men for not being able to bear children. Or God discriminates against women because He had a Son and not a daughter. The charge is absurd.

"None of the twelve disciples were women. Jesus must have had a good reason for that, whether or not we understand it. I myself would much rather trust Him and apostolic, Christian Tradition, rather than the fads and fancies of our post-modern, sexually-libertine age.

The highest of God's created beings, and the only sinless creature who ever lived - according to Catholicism - is a woman (the Blessed Virgin Mary), and a woman first saw the risen Jesus (Mary Magdalene: John 20:11-18). No man - by virtue of "unfair" biology - ever had the immense, unfathomable honor of "bearing God" (Theotokos) and thus entering into incomprehensible biological intimacy with Deity. Protestants give us misery for allegedly venerating Mary as next to God, while feminists excoriate us for lowering the status of women vis-a-vis men! Ironies never cease!

There is no notion of inequality involved in a male-only priesthood, since if that were the case, it is neither likely nor plausible that God would raise Mary to her supremely exalted state (i.e., as a creature). If anything - in light of that fact - it might be stated that Christianity teaches the superiority of women, not men (which tends to be my own thinking - I think women exceed us men in many, many ways)."

More at Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Gender Roles, Male Priests, Equality, and Feminism

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

None of the twelve disciples were women. Jesus must have had a good reason for that, whether or not we understand it. I myself would much rather trust Him and apostolic, Christian Tradition, rather than the fads and fancies of our post-modern, sexually-libertine age.

If what Jesus did is your measure of what the Church should do, then why isn't foot-washing considered a sacrament?

 

[kepha31]

Hi, I'm new here , how do I find out where the rules are located, and explain to me about the feed-back site, I'm at a loss to where all this information is located . Thank you

Scroll up to the upper right corner of this page, and click on "Forum Rules". There are different sub-sets of rules for some of the main catagories called "Stickies".

 

[kepha31]

If what Jesus did is your measure of what the Church should do, then why isn't foot-washing considered a sacrament?

Sacraments are instituted by God, foot washing was a custom, and Jesus used it to denote SERVICE. Priests, including the Pope, wash feet every Holy Thursday. Sacramentalism is merely the Incarnation extended, just as the Church is. Foot washing is a ceremony that does not fit the definition of a sacrament.