Discussion of Thunder: The Perfect Mind

[gnostic]

I am the first and the last.

I am the wife and the virgin.
I am the mother and daughter.

These two parts, reminds me of the Celtic triple goddesses, or triple aspect of a single goddess. From the first to last, the goddess can appear as an elderly woman, a mother and a daughter.

I am the first and the last.
I am the honored and the scorned.
I am the whore and the holy.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am the mother and daughter.

They also represent the dual nature of a deity or a woman. Like what Neosnoia wrote, a yin-yang, except without the "male" aspect of the yin-yang symbol.

I am silence incomprehensible
and an idea remembered often.

I am still trying to make head-and-tail out of this statement.

I can see what each individual line mean, but when used together, I'm not sure of their significances.

Could it mean that she is the Muses, the 9 Greek goddesses of inspiration that inspired a song (ie. idea) out of nothing (ie. silence)? The Muses were both holy and the whores. But then again, perhaps not.

 

[Buttons*]

Could it mean that she is the Muses, the 9 Greek goddesses of inspiration that inspired a song (ie. idea) out of nothing (ie. silence)? The Muses were both holy and the whores. But then again, perhaps not.

I suppose it could... it's impossible to rule anything out really. However, from my perspective, Silence is the One.... so I believe she's merely reiterrating the fact that she is with the Source. Just another thought.

 

[Comet]

Sorry... late to join the party yet again....

I think Gnostic said it first: "Sophia". All this talk of the "female" speaking... Sophia is the feminine aspect of the "Goddess" WISDOM. I think this is speaking of wisdom, not of a female. (Pistis Sophia). I best go back and read the thread now....

edit: with all the YinYang talk I feel I must add this-

The YinYang can be viewed in a "triad", "dualistic", or "Monist" perspective.

 

[Kay]

I usually approach the symbol (yin/yang) from a monist perspective.

 

[doppelganger]

I was sent out from the power
and have come to you who study me
and am found by you who seek me.
Look at me, you who study me,
and you who hear, hear me.

I think it can be read as a personal poem, with I being me (or you, which would then be your me).

This first part could then be read as a call to "know thyself."

 

[Comet]

I usually approach the symbol (yin/yang) from a monist perspective.

YEAH!!! Another Monist perspective! Why has this thread died out??? I know it is coming up on a Holiday in the States, but..... keep it going people!

This first part could then be read as a call to "know thyself."

I am a firm believer in: To know thy self is to know the mind of god. To love thyself is to love god. etc...

 

[Kay]

Hey, what does A.M.G. stand for Comet?

 

[Comet]

Hey, what does A.M.G. stand for Comet?

Appellative Monistic Gnostic. Look up the first word if you have to- just call me a Monist, it makes it easier.

 

[Moni_Gail]

I'm doing this weekly, so Monday is when the next part will be up. i know it's slow, but this way, hopefully, more people will see it and participate

I am definitely keeping up with it, but don't feel that I have much to add. If that made any sense.

 

[Buttercup]

I'm curious to know if this second installment is supposed to be talking about the same thing as the first installment? Or is the entire poem a compilation of differing attributes?

 

[Comet]

I was sent out from the power
and have come to you who study me
and am found by you who seek me.
Look at me, you who study me,
and you who hear, hear me.

In many traditions, it is the "light" which is the power. Those that live in fear, only hear the thunder. When those without eyes to see actually look, they find the light: lightning which casues the thunder. I think it is more of a call to those who have not "seen" to look closer to find that "light".... which is what the "power" gives us, it is where the "light" comes from.

 

[Buttons*]

YEAH!!! Another Monist perspective! Why has this thread died out??? I know it is coming up on a Holiday in the States, but..... keep it going people!

Don't be discouraged I am posting the poem every Monday so that more people can discuss and participate. If I go fast, some people get left behind... and that, to me, isnt productive. Unless of course people pm me and request that we move at a faster rate... *shrug*

I am a firm believer in: To know thy self is to know the mind of god. To love thyself is to love god. etc...

As am I Thanks for the replies everyone, I really appriciate it.

I am definitely keeping up with it, but don't feel that I have much to add. If that made any sense

It's perfectly fine *smiles* This is open to anyone, so anyone can add anything (or not) whenever they please or see it fit to.

I'm curious to know if this second installment is supposed to be talking about the same thing as the first installment? Or is the entire poem a compilation of differing attributes?

The entire poem, IMO reflects one thing. If you want to, you can look up the entire poem online, just so you know exactly where it's headed... but I'm still gonna do this in chunky style

 

[gnostic]

I am a firm believer in: To know thy self is to know the mind of god. To love thyself is to love god. etc...

I don't.

I am firm believer of to "know thyself", but I don't think that "god" or "gods" really come into the equation with this statement.

Socrates' "Know Thyself", called upon to think for themselves - to question conventional belief and conventional wisdom, and to challenge them (wisdom and belief) if they are bad. So, instead of accepting things on blind faith, he encourage people to seek the answers.

 

[Buttons*]

I don't.

I am firm believer of to "know thyself", but I don't think that "god" don't really come into the equation with this statement.

Socrates' "Know Thyself", called upon to think for themselves - to question conventional belief and conventional wisdom, and to challenge them (wisdom and belief) if they are bad. So, instead of accepting things on blind faith, he encourage people to seek the answers.

But is wisdom not of God? For those who believe that the One is within us and without us, "Know Thyself" implies an understanding of the entire universe by recognizing what Is... which is "god" as some people phrase it... I call it Tao, or One... whatever

 

[gnostic]

But is wisdom not of God? For those who believe that the One is within us and without us, "Know Thyself" implies an understanding of the entire universe by recognizing what Is... which is "god" as some people phrase it... I call it Tao, or One... whatever

From the Gnostic's perspective, then yes. I would not disagre with you, Buttons on that count.

But not from Socrates' perspective. To Socrates, wisdom come from within one's self; from inquiring and question one's belief. He questioned on the reality of religion and their deities.

Euripides, a contemporary of Socrates, also wrote something on a similar line. That gods are not reliable as a guide...that one must rely on human's intelligence or understanding and on human's endeavour.

 

[Buttons*]

From the Gnostic's perspective, then yes. I would not disagre with you, Buttons on that count.

But not from Socrates' perspective. To Socrates, wisdom come from within one's self; from inquiring and question one's belief. He questioned on the reality of religion and their deities.

Euripides, a contemporary of Socrates, also wrote something on a similar line. That gods are not reliable as a guide...that one must rely on human's intelligence or understanding and on human's endeavour.

nope, i was right the first time... I knew he didn't write anything.... Including Thunder...

The author of this poem is unknown, though most people believe it has a female voice because of the way it was written.

So, because Socrates did not write this poem... my original point was that he has nothing to do with the explication of it.

 

[gnostic]

You may call it Tao or One....and I'd probably concur on the former than the later. Socrates, on the other hand, may disagree with both of us, and would call it "psyche" or "self".

 

[Buttons*]

You may call it Tao or One....and I'd probably concur on the former than the later. Socrates, on the other hand, may disagree with both of us, and would call it "psyche" or "self".

That's the problem with attatching language to things.... just muds everything up. To me, all those words that have been mentioned (Tao, One, Self, Psyche, Source, God...) are interchangable, and mean the same thing... but then again, I dont view things like everyone else.

 

[gnostic]

.... was this written by Socrates?

Socrates wrote nothing down. I'm relying more on what his contemporaries and pupils, like Plato, who wrote about his odd method of teaching and his (Plato's) interpretations.

 

[Buttons*]

Socrates wrote nothing down. I'm relying more on what his contemporaries and pupils, like Plato, who wrote about his odd method of teaching and his (Plato's) interpretations.

Though I love both Plato and Socrates... why is this relevant to Thunder?