Divinity of Jesus

[Desert Snake]

Everyone but you. Why do you start a topic if you are unwilling or unable to discuss them? I don't mind that you don't understand certain things. I'm happy to help. But don't put your shortcomings on me. That just puts the spotlight on you.

You still haven't clarified as to what you were referring to.

 

[outhouse]

This isn't coherent. What are you referring to.

It is very coherant, and easily understandable.

I would like to help you out here, but I will need help from you.

If you read up a little and or posted some source backing your position, you could argue with more credibility then saying "Nuh Uh" Instead of just posting quickly without research, your missing the mark. Im guilty of it too, but do like reading about these topics by authorities involved before typing away.


In this case Windwalker is correct, The NT was written by what scholars agree as unknown authors from a different culture then Jesus writing about him decades after his death. Jesus taught and healed Jews, Paul taught and healed everyone else and was partially responsible for the version of christianity we have today.

 

[Desert Snake]

While maybe what he said is not correct( and it would be in your side to argue so) I dont find any incoherences in his response. Maybe you can clarify it for us all?

What was he referring to, and what was the argument, and how did he reach the conclusion as to what my belief is?

 

[Me Myself]

Really? So who is grasping your incoherent statements?

BTW you didn't answer as to what you were referring to.

Which incoherent statements? I am not defending wheter they are right or not, but of incoherence I find non. If you want to debate their veracity, I'd love to see that. If you say they are incoherent, I would wonder how.

 

[Windwalker]

You still haven't clarified as to what you were referring to.

And when I do what will you say? That's it incoherent or jumbled or something because you don't grasp it?

 

[Desert Snake]

It is very coherant, and easily understandable.

I would like to help you out here, but I will need help from you.

If you read up a little and or posted some source backing your position, you could argue with more credibility then saying "Nuh Uh" Instead of just posting quickly without research, your missing the mark. Im guilty of it too, but do like reading about these topics by authorities involved before typing away.


In this case Windwalker is correct, The NT was written by what scholars agree as unknown authors from a different culture then Jesus writing about him decades after his death. Jesus taught and healed Jews, Paul taught and healed everyone else and was partially responsible for the version of christianity we have today.

I never stated that I thought the NT was divinely written.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

co·her·ent
/kōˈhi(&#601rənt/

Adjective

• (of an argument, theory, or policy) Logical and consistent.
• (of a person) Able to speak clearly and logically: "after one beer, he is not coherent".

Synonyms
connected - consistent

Just tossing this out there. Thought it might be useful.

 

[Windwalker]

co·her·ent
/kōˈhi(&#601rənt/

Adjective

• (of an argument, theory, or policy) Logical and consistent.
• (of a person) Able to speak clearly and logically: "after one beer, he is not coherent".

Synonyms
connected - consistent

Just tossing this out there. Thought it might be useful.

I can honestly say, I had not been drinking beer. Even then, I can still string thoughts together coherently. It's only after about 15 of them that it gets all slurry and incoherent, right before I throw up and pass out.

 

[Desert Snake]

What was he referring to, and what was the argument, and how did he reach the conclusion as to what my belief is?

@MeMyself


You never answered this.

Should be easy, if it's so clear.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I can honestly say, I had not been drinking beer. Even then, I can still string thoughts together coherently. It's only after about 15 of them that it gets all slurry and incoherent, right before I throw up and pass out.

What's all this incoherent gibberish? What are you saying? Is this even English?

 

[Desert Snake]

In this case Windwalker is correct, The NT was written by what scholars agree as unknown authors from a different culture then Jesus writing about him decades after his death. Jesus taught and healed Jews, Paul taught and healed everyone else and was partially responsible for the version of christianity we have today.

And? So?

Actually he was replying to some comments that were completely unrelated to this that I had made earlier in the thread.:lunar:

 

[Me Myself]

This isn't coherent. What are you referring to.

His points are basically what scholars say on the subject and you for some reason said it was his "opinion" which was weird. Technically your side of the argument is way more speculative.

He is saying Jesus didnt. P ointed out genesis or any other books specifically for the bible. Which part of that was "incoherent" or hard to understand?

Do you have any documenttion or support of any kind of Jesus accepting any gospel?

 

[Desert Snake]

His points are basically what scholars say on the subject and you for some reason said it was his "opinion" which was weird. Technically your side of the argument is way more speculative.

He is saying Jesus didnt. P ointed out genesis or any other books specifically for the bible. Which part of that was "incoherent" or hard to understand?

Do you have any documenttion or support of any kind of Jesus accepting any gospel?

This doesn't answer my questions. At all.

Why on earth would I think that Jesus "accepted" any of the Gospel??
I never argued that lol.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

You're already way beyond my expertise. I'm pretty sure that JWs themselves would agree that they see Jesus as non-divine, but you'd do better to ask them directly.

JWs do not believe Jesus is the God of Israel, they believe he was God's first creation and therefore his special son above all the other angels, he was the arch angel Michael in his pre-human existence. So yes Jesus is divine to them in terms of being the arch angel but he isn't divine like God who is almighty all powerful, can create life and is the law giver.

 

[Me Myself]

This sin't a statement of fact, merely your opinion, so although it might "make sense according to you it doesn't make it fact or even backed up by Scripture.


OT or NT, it's all about backing up your opinions with Scripture, that's what your dealing with, otherwise one could just as well leave out Genesis because it is inconvenient to their point of view/beliefs.

By this statement Yu seem to think one has to approve all e bible books to be a follower of Christ

 

[Desert Snake]

By this statement Yu seem to think one has to approve all e bible books to be a follower of Christ

No, I don't think you have to approve of any of the Bible Books to be a follower of Christ.
However, if you are arguing FROM Scripture then you should be consistent in regards to Scripture otherwise one can fashion any meaning out of Scripture...which is fine, but if others are not using the same personal interpretation it takes the debate into nonsense mode. Which also is fime, but don't expect some members to adhere to Scripture while giving leeway to others.

 

[Me Myself]

No, I don't think you have to approve of any of the Bible Books to be a follower of Christ.
However, if you are arguing FROM Scripture then you should be consistent in regards to Scripture otherwise one can fashion any meaning out of Scripture...which is fine, but if others are not using the same personal interpretation it takes the debate into nonsense mode. Which also is fime, but don't expect some members to adhere to Scripture while giving leeway to others.

You seem confused. Which scripture? Remeber the bible is a compilation of books. I can argue from Jesus gospels and have faith in them without having faith on the non Jesus gospels (as an example).

There are other many posibilities, but that is one.

 

[Desert Snake]

You seem confused. Which scripture? Remeber the bible is a compilation of books. I can argue from Jesus gospels and have faith in them without having faith on the non Jesus gospels (as an example).

There are other many posibilities, but that is one.

Confused about what? You never even explained what you were arguing about besides that statemet about the Gospels, .I don't even subscribe to the Gospels, and I already stated that I don't even believe one has to adhere to ANY of the Gospels, or the rest of the NT for that matter, to be a Christian.

 

[Desert Snake]

Early on in the thread I stated that being a "cultural Christian" was still a Christian, so frankly I don't where you came up with the these ideas, except for the other member who started an imaginary debate with me.
READ THE THREAD. lol

 

[Me Myself]

Confused about what? You never even explained what you were arguing about besides that statemet about the Gospels, .I don't even subscribe to the Gospels, and I already stated that I don't even believe one has to adhere to ANY of the Gospels, or the rest of the NT for that matter, to be a Christian.

I would tell you confused about what, but to be honest, I would just be rewriting the post you were replying to. I dont know if you've had a bad day or you do have some reading comehension problems.

Do try re-reading the posts you've said are "incoherent" when you feel fresher.

I am serious by the way. We all make mistakes and I've made a air of stud es before. So, I do urge y to re-read later and then comment.