divorce and hymen.

[mohammed_beiruti]

No problem. I personally belive that you and anybody else who holds such views should be ashamed for your own opinion of women, especially when it comes to 'de-valueing' a person because she is not a virgin. But I also believe that you are simply too backward in culture and too dull of thought to realize how pathetically embarrassed you should feel for holding such ideas about women.

This is just my point of view; please don't feel offended.

you didn't read my post carefully

my point of view is Jesus meant so and so...

not these ponts

1. it is very shameful and awful that a girl losing her virginity before marriage ,the destiny of such girl is death.

2.if a woman got divorced,the community would disrespect her.

It's common customs

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Mohammed, I don't know what the point of this thread is. In Egypt, there can be emphasis on the hymen thing on the wedding night since the first marriage means the first sexual intercourse. But the usual scenario is seeking doctor's confirmation and/or divorce. Death is not the usual scenario. Secondly, men marry divorced women all the time. True that there could be some social negative view towards the divorced woman...I don't know the reasoning behind this...but a lot of divorced women re-marry.

Again I don't know what the message of the OP was. You ended up defending Islam. Although, as I understood Islam had nothing to do with your OP.

I didn't intend to talk about islam issues.

I showed some negative cutoms in my country palestine.

and wanted the reader to imagine the atmosphere surrounded community when Jesus suggested not to divorce women without rational reason just because it is allowed.

same as one who have a diabetic you told him not to eat dessert because it is very harmful to his health but that doesn't mean that eating dessert is not halal (kosher).

 

[The Neo Nerd]

you didn't read my post carefully

my point of view is Jesus meant so and so...

not these ponts

Ok so what was your point?

-Q

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Why so much emphasis on the females? It's asymmetrical with regard to the sexes. Don't you see the inherent sexism in such a view?

And why is death involved?

it is bad customs !

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

do you feel your faith is dangerous?

no :sarcastic

 

[Madhuri]

I showed some negative cutoms in my country palestine.

You made it sound like those negative customs are your point of view.

And by putting this into the religious debates sub-forum, you made it seem like this point of view is Islamic.

I am still not sure what your intention or argument is in this thread.
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[mohammed_beiruti]

Who is a whore, in your opinion, and does it include men as well?

yest it includes.

a whore is someone(regardless gender) who consider it ok to commit adultery.

would you marry someone who consider cheating is ok.

 

[Madhuri]

yest it includes.

a whore is someone(regardless gender) who consider it ok to commit adultery.

would you marry someone who consider cheating is ok.

No I wouldn't. But I think that the definition of adultery to some differs. For instance, you seem to be implying that a divorced woman who has sex with a new husband is an adulterer. But I do not.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

But having a 'broken' or 'loose' hymen does not indicate that a girl isn't virgin anymore. So having a surgery to reconstruct a hymen doesn't make sense now, perhaps just for the male's satisfaction during the intercourse....

please define virgin ?

 

[cris]

mohammed. first you say "this is my point of view" then you say "it is bad customs !"

are you saying you have a bad point of view??

and earlier you defined whore as a divorced woman, so again i ask, would you call your own mother a whore if your parents were divorced?

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

whats your definition of a whore ?

in my opinion whore is someone who consider making sex with women/men out of wedlock is Ok.

please don't feel ofended

if you have a daughter would let her having "???" with her boyfriend ouf of wedlock ?

what if her boyfriend is trying to use her?!

 

[The Neo Nerd]

in my opinion whore is someone who consider making sex with women/men out of wedlock is Ok.

please don't feel ofended

if you have a daughter would let her having "???" with her boyfriend ouf of wedlock ?

what if her boyfriend is trying to use her?!

What if she is trying to use her boyfriend?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

in my opinion whore is someone who consider making sex with women/men out of wedlock is Ok.

please don't feel ofended

if you have a daughter would let her having "???" with her boyfriend ouf of wedlock ?

what if her boyfriend is trying to use her?!

What about a couple who live together, have children and have only had sex with each other. Are they whores?

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

mohammed. first you say "this is my point of view" then you say "it is bad customs !"

are you saying you have a bad point of view??

and earlier you defined whore as a divorced woman, so again i ask, would you call your own mother a whore if your parents were divorced?

My point of view is when Jesus said don't divorce your spouse without a rational reason, I think he didn't seems to prohibit at all, the community then might had a customs just like I have already shown, then he suggested not to divorce a spouse just because it is "allowed".

for example, China is an over populated country, if someone said you must not have more than one birth, that does not mean that having more than one birth in "Japan" is forbidden.

the same approach when it comes to a community which have a high percentage of divorce and bad customs (like i have shown), Jesus suggested not to divorce spouse becaause customs make it a disaster.

did you get me !

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I for one don't get you. I'm not even sure what the topic of this thread is.

Is it about divorce?

Is it about the social sanctions facing divorced women.

Is it about sex before marriage?

-Q

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

I for one don't get you. I'm not even sure what the topic of this thread is.

Is it about divorce?

Is it about the social sanctions facing divorced women.

Is it about sex before marriage?

-Q

Yes, about divorced women in that time. and reason of prohibiting divorce.

 

[cris]

nope, i dont understand a thing of what you are saying mohammed.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

What about it. You seem to be saying a lot of stuff without actually making a point.

Are you saying that YOU believe that a women should not get divorced because then she cant get remarried without being a whore?

 

[Madhuri]

My point of view is when Jesus said don't divorce your spouse without a rational reason, I think he didn't seems to prohibit at all, the community then might had a customs just like I have already shown, then he suggested not to divorce a spouse just because it is "allowed".

for example, China is an over populated country, if someone said you must not have more than one birth, that does not mean that having more than one birth in "Japan" is forbidden.

the same approach when it comes to a community which have a high percentage of divorce and bad customs (like i have shown), Jesus suggested not to divorce spouse becaause customs make it a disaster.

did you get me !

YES, I understand now. You are discussing the reasoning and context behind Jesus' instruction to not divorce.

But I don't think that a holy man would instruct people like this. He came to change things, not to tell people how to conform to their culture.

 

[Pegg]

Yes, about divorced women in that time. and reason of prohibiting divorce.

so really, Jesus was perhaps telling the men in his day not not divorce their wives because of the bad attitude men show toward divorced women.... he knew it would be detrimental to the womans future if she was divorced.

Jesus compassion for women is evident in his words... it would be nice if more men thought like him.