DNA can tell you whether someone is male or female

[We Never Know]

Shockingly, your experiences aren't universal. You simply have to Google 'prosthetics to treat phantom limb pain.'


I've answered this multiple times. I don't know if their experience is real. But I don't call then crazy or tell them it wasn't. I just say I don't have that experience.

I literally work in physical therapy and have worked directly with people with phantom limb pain in treatment. Which includes mirror technique and prosthetic fitting.
Just because it wasn't your experience doesn't make you am arbiter of other's experiences. Lol.

Lol. How many people claim to be disabled, even through physical therapy but aren't?

I rest my case.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Lol. How many people claim to be disabled, even through physical therapy but aren't?

I rest my case.

You're resting something, but it isn't your case. Ta-ta.

 

[Heyo]

Concerning the OP, should we go with science or what we think?

Now before you answer that think about it... If people can go with what they think, then a god is as real as anything else to billions because they believe it, feel it, some say they have experienced it, talked to it, etc.. So it should be accepted as correct right?

Yep, and how does that translate to our reality? Are we allowing people to believe in higher beings in our society? Do we allow them to act on that belief (in a limited fashion)?
We, at least I, don't think they are right, but I'm OK with them acting as if they were as long as they don't hurt any others.
So, if someone with a Y chromosome acts as if s/he had two Xes, would you be equally tolerant as I am towards people who think they hear voices?

 

[We Never Know]

You're resting something, but it isn't your case. Ta-ta.

And your are BSing. A PT doesn't fit anyone with prosthetics, a prosthetist/orthoist does. A PT helps them.adapt to it. But cheers.

 

[We Never Know]

Yep, and how does that translate to our reality? Are we allowing people to believe in higher beings in our society? Do we allow them to act on that belief (in a limited fashion)?
We, at least I, don't think they are right, but I'm OK with them acting as if they were as long as they don't hurt any others.
So, if someone with a Y chromosome acts as if s/he had two Xes, would you be equally tolerant as I am towards people who think they hear voices?

None of it bothers me. Change your plumbing and be who you want to be.
Believe in any god you want to believe in.
However telling me I have to accept what you feel or believe bothers me. .

 

[Heyo]

None of it bothers me. Change your plumbing and be who you want to be.
However telling me I have to accept what you feel or believe bothers me. .

You don't have to. When I think that all believers are delusional, nobody can take that opinion away from me. When you think that the existence of a Y chromosome defines a persons sex, nobody can take that opinion away from you (even though you are wrong). Just don't be a dick about it, OK?

 

[exchemist]

You never really answered. By the way, here are my missing fingers. Never once a phantom pain because I accepted they were gone the day I lost them.

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Well whoop-de-doo. Obviously you are very proud of this for some reason.

I can't see what this has to do with the OP. @ADigitalArtist hit the nail on the head by pointing out the distinction between biological sex, which can itself be defined in a number of ways, and psychological perception of sexual identity.

Psychological effects are not a myth, just because they can't be measured in test tubes, you know.

 

[VoidCat]

Really?
Its like a man who went blind thinking he seen a light or a man who went deaf thinking he hesrd something.

Its something they used to experience so mentally they think they experience it again when they don't. Its mental not reality.

umm...blindness and deafness is a spectrum. Just means sight is useless and as is hearing. Some blind can still see a little bit and some deaf still can hear a bit. Just it's not enough sight or sound to be of any use

 

[Guitar's Cry]

In the same way DNA can give us clues as to the sexual structure of an individual yet cannot definitively describe an individual, especially psychologically or sociologically since gender is a subjective expression, a person can look at the mechanisms of science, believe in them, yet still believe in god because meaning is a subjective experience.

 

[Revoltingest]

umm...blindness and deafness is a spectrum. Just means sight is useless and as is hearing. Some blind can still see a little but and some deaf still can hear a bit. Just it's not enough sight or sound to be of any use

We should also note that blindness & deafness are real
conditions that can exist without anything in one's DNA
causing the conditions. Fetal development can proceed
in different ways independent of genetics. This could
include brain & body mismatch regarding gender.

 

[F1fan]

"between one's ears"

How is feeling/believing in a god any different?
Isnt it about what people feel?

Like some folks feeling uncomfortable that gender is being defined in ways other than a superficial approach? Maybe they have a superficial God that needs to mature.

 

[Polymath257]

My missing fingers can't in reality itch or hurt if they aren't there. That is fact.

But it is still possible for you to feel pain that you identify as being in those missing fingers.

The pain is real. It has real physical effects. Acceptance that you lost the fingers has nothing to do with it.

And since it is a real pain, it should be treated.

In the same way, biological sex is different than cultural gender. Someone who has a disconnect between the two feels real pain. And as such, they should be treated with respect and compassion.

 

[Polymath257]

So if someone mentally believes and feels a god, does that make a god reality?

No. But that doesn't mean their *experience* isn't real. Why they have that experience is not determined. But the experience itself is real.

And, in the same way that you can feel pain in a limb that is not there, it is possible to feel a god that is not there. That doesn't negate the experience.

 

[Polymath257]

None of it bothers me. Change your plumbing and be who you want to be.
Believe in any god you want to believe in.
However telling me I have to accept what you feel or believe bothers me. .

Why?

If someone actually has phantom limb pain, are you going to say that they don't feel pain? Are you going to say that you don't accept that they feel pain?

 

[F1fan]

You never really answered. By the way, here are my missing fingers. Never once a phantom pain because I accepted they were gone the day I lost them.

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If you were a single subject with another 9,999 people and ll of them felt phantom pain and sensation, you would be an anomaly in the data and thus, your data point is irrelevant. it's 1 to 9,999.

I know we humans like to value our personal experiences, assumptions, and view points higher than others or an average, but if we are going to compare ourselves as a data point we have to reel in our feelings.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

And your are BSing. A PT doesn't fit anyone with prosthetics, a prosthetist/orthoist does. A PT helps them.adapt to it. But cheers.

Where the hell did I say I fit people with prosthetics? I said I worked with people who are being treated for phantom limb pain with prosthetics. As in part of their treatment plan is prosthetics.

Here, some articles that mention prosthetics being used for phantom pain treatment.
Phantom Pain Treatment After Amputation Surgery | University of Utah Health
How to Manage Phantom Limb Pain With a Prosthesis
The prostheses that could alleviate amputees’ phantom limb pain

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

DNA can tell you whether someone is male or female. Concerning the OP, should we go with science or what we think?

Both. If you want to know whether a person is genetically male or female, check their DNA.

So Bob can believe/feel he's a woman and its ok but Bill believes in a god/feels a god is real and he's crazy?

Bob isn't calling herself a woman, which would be a claim of fact. She just feels like one, and wants to be seen and accepted as one. I have no problem with that.

And if Bill believes in a god, that's fine. I don't consider him crazy, just willing to believe by faith. But notice that these are different situations. "I feel like and wanted to be treated as a woman" is not like "There is a god." Bob can't be wrong because she makes no claim other than how she feels. Bill can be.

if someone mentally believes and feels a god, does that make a god reality?

No. It makes the idea a reality - it's really there in your head if nowhere else - but not its referent. It's real in the sense that it can alter surrounding reality if the belief motivates action.

telling me I have to accept what you feel or believe bothers me. .

Who's telling you that? You're not being asked or forced to believe anything. If by accepting you mean treating such people with tolerance if not kindness, then yes, you are asked to that at a minimum. The alternative is to demean or oppress them, which is not your right. That would be you trying to force them to conform to your preferences, to live their lives so as not to offend your sensibilities. You are not entitled to that. They are entitled to live as they like within the law.

And why would you want to make such people's lives harder? Can you not empathize with them? Do you consider the Golden Rule a good moral precept? I'm a humanist. I have no reason to be bigoted against law abiding people struggling to find themselves. And the Golden Rule is central in humanist ethics. It's the basis for the tolerance that humanists advocate, as well as the desire to empower people with self-development and opportunity. It's why we celebrate this new Supreme Court Justice's confirmation and abhor all bigotry. It's not fair, it's not nice, and it's not how anybody wants to be treated.

 

[wellwisher]

You missed the point of the OP.

We are starting to base more things on "how we feel" than "science"

If Bob feels he is a female and feels he should participate as a female we should accept it and support him regardless of what dna/science shows
BUT...
If Bill feels a god is real and feels a god created all we know, we should dismiss it as belief and he's crazy because science shows natural explanations and evolution.

Putting feelings first, which is pushed by the Left, is what is causing the gender identity fad. When the brain writes to memory, feeling tags from the limbic system are added to sensory content when our memory is written to the cerebral matter. All our memory had both content and feeling tags due to this natural writing process. Our strongest memories have the strongest emotional valance; first kiss, marriage, first child, trauma, etc, and well preserved sensory details.

The value of this is when an animal comes upon something new or old, that triggers their memory, they can act upon the attached feeling, without having to think. If they see a new food item and the brain extrapolates it with a positive memory, they will act upon the good feeling and eat. If this eating also feels food, this feeling is then added to that new content, for a new memory.

The problem that appears, for humans, is there are only a fixed number of feelings. On the other hand, sensory content is almost limitless in terms of combinations of sensory details. This means that a limited number of feelings, will each be used, for a wide range of similar but different things. For example, if I asked you to list your favorite foods, these will all have similar feeling tags; good feelings connected to tasting good. The content can be a varied as bacon, ice cream and a good steak, in terms of sensory details. They all share the same basic feeling tag. You cannot easily tell which is which from the side of the feeling. Which is which has to come from the sensory content side.

A good example, was the propaganda machine made Trump a source of fear, using fear tags that were also connected to nuclear war and Hitler. Those who were orientated by feelings first, sensed all these things as being connected to Trump, since they all had the same feeling tag, and even if not rationally connected via content in space and time. One can be easily manipulated.

Feelings are connected to spatial data processing. The right side of the brain. Each feeling is 3-D in the sense there are lots of memories with each emotional tags, with this all part of its 3-D neural structure. If you judge only by emotions; there can be a problem of not being able to isolate specific sensory content, since unrelated sensory content can appear from any given feeling, if it was tagged with the same tag.

Mr Spock, would try to shut off his emotions so he does not experiences this same 3-D affect, that can blend a wide range of content with similar feeling tags; bias and racism. He is looking at specific sensory content within 3-D blocks of data, which can be unique to itself. This is more 2-D thinking; cause and affect and is more left brain. The other way around; feeling first, deals with block data, which can add confusion if a single sensory content is unconsciously assumed to express the entire 3-D or spatial feeling.

This can be useful if you can learn to move between 3-D; block data and 2-D subset of specific details; move between left and right hemispheres. This allows both differentiation and integration affects. There is also what could be understood as 4-D thinking. This make use of the 3-D block data but with the addition of a timed sequence; active subroutine.

 

[stvdv]

New Concerning the OP, should we go with science or what we think?

I would go for "Common Sense" in this case

 

[We Never Know]

Well whoop-de-doo. Obviously you are very proud of this for some reason.

I can't see what this has to do with the OP. @ADigitalArtist hit the nail on the head by pointing out the distinction between biological sex, which can itself be defined in a number of ways, and psychological perception of sexual identity.

Psychological effects are not a myth, just because they can't be measured in test tubes, you know.

I'm not the one who inserted phantom pain into the topic