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DNA can tell you whether someone is male or female

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
We are starting to base more things on "how we feel" than "science"
Science has shown transgender people (to reference the title) have a brain that looks more like the sex they identify as than the sex they were born as, so this one isn't just "how we feel."
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Lol. How many people claim to be disabled, even through physical therapy but aren't?

I rest my case.

Actually DNA can't tell you if someone is a woman or man. Some people are born with an XXY chromosome, others with only an X. Also hormones might follow the female configuration in an otherwise male-appearing person. Brain structure may develop in the opposite direction of anatomy.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
And that's part of the problem. :p

A psychologist is going to have a different "sense" of this issue than a mechanic. Their "commonalities" are very different due to education and career.
In this case it will solve itself
Treat a man like a woman
And probably they'll tell
Then adjust your CS
If needed
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Science has shown transgender people (to reference the title) have a brain that looks more like the sex they identify as than the sex they were born as, so this one isn't just "how we feel."
So it's mental issue. Like it always was.

It opens a can of worms though. A criminal brain looks different than a non criminal brain as well.

An era of predetermined status.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Concerning the OP, should we go with science or what we think?

Now before you answer that think about it... If people can go with what they think, then a god is as real as anything else to billions because they believe it, feel it, some say they have experienced it, talked to it, etc.. So it should be accepted as correct right?
DNA can tell you whether your ear wax will be wet or dry, but it can't tell you whether you'll like the taste of fried mushrooms or not. So how will we ever know if you like the taste of fried mushrooms? Well, I suppose we could ask you. Or classical music as opposed to heavy metal?

DNA can tell you what organs you are likely to have, but can it tell you what you will think and feel?

At the end of the day, are you just the product of your DNA, or is there more to you than that? That's the question you're really asking.

And I'm going with more -- definitely more.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Putting feelings first, which is pushed by the Left, is what is causing the gender identity fad.
I'm curious why is it conservatives are hostile to these issues. What harm is it to you that these people are extended certain liberties? A similar hostility existed against gays and their liberties.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I keep trying to tell myself that every time my finger gets burned.
When you burn your finger, the damaged areas send signals to the brain, but that's not what pain is. The brain actually creates the sensation of pain and signals it back to the damaged area.

We've learned a lot more about this subject with chronic pain and neuroplasticity because the brain's pain signal can sometimes not switch off properly and you experience pain where there is no damage, or experience pain somewhere other than the damage.

The Connection Between Pain and Your Brain | Arthritis Foundation.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Science has shown transgender people (to reference the title) have a brain that looks more like the sex they identify as than the sex they were born as, so this one isn't just "how we feel."

The simplest thing DNA can tell you is whether someone is male or female. Apart from some very rare cases, that doesn't even involve looking at their DNA sequence - all you need to know is whether they have X and Y chromosomes (making them male) or a pair of Xs (which makes them female).
 

We Never Know

No Slack
DNA can tell you whether your ear wax will be wet or dry, but it can't tell you whether you'll like the taste of fried mushrooms or not. So how will we ever know if you like the taste of fried mushrooms? Well, I suppose we could ask you. Or classical music as opposed to heavy metal?

DNA can tell you what organs you are likely to have, but can it tell you what you will think and feel?

At the end of the day, are you just the product of your DNA, or is there more to you than that? That's the question you're really asking.

And I'm going with more -- definitely more.

Here is an interesting article. Any one can read it.

The Idea of a 'DNA Test' for Transgender People Is Part of a Long, Dark History

'DNA Test' for Transgender People Is Part of a Dark History | Time
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Well whoop-de-doo. Obviously you are very proud of this for some reason.

I can't see what this has to do with the OP. @ADigitalArtist hit the nail on the head by pointing out the distinction between biological sex, which can itself be defined in a number of ways, and psychological perception of sexual identity.

Psychological effects are not a myth, just because they can't be measured in test tubes, you know.

And yeah I'm proud I lost my fingers. Would have been prouder it it had been my whole hand right? Lol dumb post.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Science has shown transgender people (to reference the title) have a brain that looks more like the sex they identify as than the sex they were born as, so this one isn't just "how we feel."
Think about this claim for a minute. To even get off of the ground, it would have to be the case that previous research had shown what it means for a brain to “look like” the brain of a particular sex. That is, if it is the case that research shows “transgender people (to reference the title) have a brain that looks more like the sex they identify as”, then it must be the case that research already existed to show that one’s brain will “look” either male or female. In other words, in order to say that a person’s brain “looks” like a particular sex, we must already know in advance from previous research that there are structural and/or functional features of human brains that enable them to be distinguished by sex.

Now, it so happens that a great deal of research exists claiming this. It is also true that much research and many studies make the opposite claim, namely that there is no convincing evidence to support a sex-based or gendered-based difference in the brain. But let’s pretend that this is not so. Let’s pretend that the research supports, conclusively, the idea that one can say that particular features of a brain “look” like a “male” brain vs. a “female” brain, i.e., that there is some manner in which it would be possible to say that a transgendered person’s brain can “look more like the sex they identify with”.

Then we have a problem. Because all the research that goes into supporting the ability for neuroimaging and similar methods to determine that one’s brain can “look like” one sex or another is based on a key assumption: biological sex/genitalia. That is, they first determine whether participants are male or female based upon biological sex, then determine whether sex differences exist in the brain. Now, in order for it to be possible for “transgender people (to reference the title) [to] have a brain that looks more like the sex they identify as” it must be the case that this foundational assumption is at best flawed and problematic. Studies that seek to show that sex differences in the brain make the assumption that one can determine sex based upon biological sex or sex assigned at birth (that’s how participants are classified as being male or female in such studies). In other words, they make the assumption that it doesn’t matter what one identifies with, because they divide participants according to biological sex and then claim that there exists differences based solely upon this division that are innate for the very reason that they are based on biological sex. Any research building upon this which would seek to claim that “transgender people (to reference the title) have a brain that looks more like the sex they identify as” would be saying that it is possible for one’s biological sex to be incongruent with one’s brain in a manner that undermines the very claim that one’s brain can “look like” a particular sex.

In short, research supporting this claim must undermine the research it rests upon is necessarily self-defeating.
 
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