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Do atheists justify the holocaust of over 6 million Jews because "religion is evil"?

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shunyadragon

shunyadragon

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ronki23 said:
I guess World War 2 was justified because a handful of Jews signed the 1918 armistice (sarcasm). Do atheists really believe a genocide was justified just because 6 million people happened to believe in Yahweh?
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I believe that very few atheists consider the Holocaust justified, but many Christians consider the anti-Jewish/anti-Semitism justifiable Biblically particularly in Eastern Europe
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

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shunyadragon said:
I believe that very few atheists consider the Holocaust justified, but many Christians consider the anti-Jewish/anti-Semitism justifiable Biblically particularly in Eastern Europe
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I've never heard of anything like that. Any sources to back it up ...
 
shunyadragon

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YmirGF said:
I've never heard of anything like that. Any sources to back it up ...
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Well, it is common among the Orthodox in Eastern Europe to call Jews 'Christ killers,' Sources to follow. and anti-Jewish attitudes persist throughout Europe.

From: Antisemitism in Europe - Wikipedia

Despite the fact that a large majority of French people have favorable attitudes towards Jews,[86] acts of anti-Jewish violence, property destruction, and racist language are a serious cause for concern.[87] A majority of reported hate crimes in France are antisemitic hate crimes.[88] According to French Prime Minister Manuel Valls, "We have the old anti-Semitism ... that comes from the extreme right, but [a] new anti-Semitism comes from the difficult neighborhoods, from immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa."[89] The most intense acts of antisemitism are perpetrated by Muslims of Arab or African heritage.[90]

According to a 2006 poll by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, 71% of French Muslims have positive views of Jews, the highest percentage in the world.[91] According to the National Advisory Committee on Human Rights, antisemitic acts account for a majority— 72% in all in 2003— of racist acts in France.[92] 40% of racist violence perpetrated in France in 2013 targeted the Jewish minority, despite the fact that Jews represent less than 1% of the French population.[93]

With the start of the Second Intifada, antisemitic incidents increased in France. In 2002, the Commission nationale consultative des droits de l'homme (Human Rights Commission) reported six times more antisemitic incidents than in 2001 (193 incidents in 2002). The commission's statistics showed that antisemitic acts constituted 62% of all racist acts in the country (compared to 45% in 2001 and 80% in 2000). The report documented 313 violent acts against people or property, including 38 injuries and the murder of someone with Maghrebin origins by far right skinheads.[94]

About 7,000 French Jews moved to Israel in 2014. This was 1% of the entire French Jewish population and a record number since World War II.[95] Conversations within the European Jewish community indicate that antisemitic attacks in France are the impetus for the high emigration figures.[96] Valls expressed his concern about the trend: "If 100,000 French people of Spanish origin were to leave, I would never say that France is not France anymore. But if 100,000 Jews leave, France will no longer be France. The French Republic will be judged a failure."[89] The trend of increased emigration continued into 2015 due to a rise in assaults and intimidation by Muslim extremists.[97]

21st century incidents[edit]
Ilan Halimi (1982 - 13 February 2006) was a young French Jew (of Moroccan parentage[98][99]) kidnapped on 21 January 2006 by a group of youth called the Gang of Barbarians and subsequently tortured to death over a period of three weeks. The murder, amongst whose motives authorities include antisemitism, incited a public outcry in a France already marked by intense public controversy about the role of children of immigrants in its society.

On 19 March 2012, Mohammed Merah shot and killed three Jewish children and a rabbi at the Ozar Hatorah School in Toulouse, France.[100] He was later killed during a raid by the French police on his house.[101] Merah was also inspired by al-Qaeda. Following the murders, the Ozar Hatorah school was targeted by antisemitic hate mail and calls.[102]

In July 2012, a French Jewish teenager wearing a "distinctive religious symbol" was the victim of a violent antisemitic attack on a train travelling between Toulouse and Lyon. The teen was first verbally harassed and later beaten up by two assailants. The French Jewish umbrella group, CRIF, called the attack "another development in the worrying trend of antisemitism in our country."[103]

Another incident in July 2012 dealt with the vandalism of the synagogue of Noisy-le-Grand of the Seine-Saint-Denis district in Paris. The synagogue was vandalized three times in a ten-day period. Prayer books and shawls were thrown on the floor, windows were shattered, drawers were ransacked, and vandalized the walls, tables, clocks, and floors. The authorities were alerted of the incidents by the Bureau National de Vigilance Contr L’Antisemtisme (BNVCA), a French antisemitism watchdog group, which called for more measures to be taken to prevent future hate crimes. BNVCA President Sammy Ghozlan stated that, "Despite the measures taken, things persist, and I think that we need additional legislation, because the Jewish community is annoyed."[104]

In June 2014, Following the threats facing Jews in France, particularly arising from French-born jihadists returning after fighting in the civil war in Syria, French President Francois Hollande met with an international delegation of Jewish leaders. The French president outlined steps that have been taken to protect the Jewish community, especially Jewish schools, from attacks and growing antisemitism. He was quoted saying that: "We would like to set an example to the world in fighting anti-Semitism," he said, but conceded the current situation — following a murderous attack by a French-born terrorist in Belgium — bespoke a "new, heavy context.[105]"
 
ADigitalArtist

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Revoltingest said:
Hey, back to this issue...
I'd think that poofing a question like the one posed in this thread should partially
hinge upon whether the abused party is offended or not. If we heathens aren't
upset, & some civil conversation ensues, it should remain active.
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Someone not being offended factors into individual cases where it's a one on one report problem sort of thing, but less so for groups. Besides, what gets moderated hinges on the policy. Someone could be not offended by various bits of language or imagey and we would still have to moderate it to meet the quality control outlined by the site creators.

But I'm not taking a stand either way on this particular thread. My vote is abstain.
 
Spiderman

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Unbelievable!

I've never actually heard such a thing stated.

It's interesting to know what's out there.

I've been feeling rather ashamed lately of some of my threads, I guess this one makes me feel a little better, but by the grace of God that could be me.

But it is a featured thread. Congratulations! :D
 
Jumi

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Asking a former atheist, they don't. You seem to be rather ignorant of atheists to be making a couple of these threads. Where did you get these ideas?
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

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shunyadragon said:
Well, it is common among the Orthodox in Eastern Europe to call Jews 'Christ killers,' Sources to follow. and anti-Jewish attitudes persist throughout Europe.

From: Antisemitism in Europe - Wikipedia

Despite the fact that a large majority of French people have favorable attitudes towards Jews,[86] acts of anti-Jewish violence, property destruction, and racist language are a serious cause for concern.[87] A majority of reported hate crimes in France are antisemitic hate crimes.[88] According to French Prime Minister Manuel Valls, "We have the old anti-Semitism ... that comes from the extreme right, but [a] new anti-Semitism comes from the difficult neighborhoods, from immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa."[89] The most intense acts of antisemitism are perpetrated by Muslims of Arab or African heritage.[90]

According to a 2006 poll by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, 71% of French Muslims have positive views of Jews, the highest percentage in the world.[91] According to the National Advisory Committee on Human Rights, antisemitic acts account for a majority— 72% in all in 2003— of racist acts in France.[92] 40% of racist violence perpetrated in France in 2013 targeted the Jewish minority, despite the fact that Jews represent less than 1% of the French population.[93]

With the start of the Second Intifada, antisemitic incidents increased in France. In 2002, the Commission nationale consultative des droits de l'homme (Human Rights Commission) reported six times more antisemitic incidents than in 2001 (193 incidents in 2002). The commission's statistics showed that antisemitic acts constituted 62% of all racist acts in the country (compared to 45% in 2001 and 80% in 2000). The report documented 313 violent acts against people or property, including 38 injuries and the murder of someone with Maghrebin origins by far right skinheads.[94]

About 7,000 French Jews moved to Israel in 2014. This was 1% of the entire French Jewish population and a record number since World War II.[95] Conversations within the European Jewish community indicate that antisemitic attacks in France are the impetus for the high emigration figures.[96] Valls expressed his concern about the trend: "If 100,000 French people of Spanish origin were to leave, I would never say that France is not France anymore. But if 100,000 Jews leave, France will no longer be France. The French Republic will be judged a failure."[89] The trend of increased emigration continued into 2015 due to a rise in assaults and intimidation by Muslim extremists.[97]

21st century incidents[edit]
Ilan Halimi (1982 - 13 February 2006) was a young French Jew (of Moroccan parentage[98][99]) kidnapped on 21 January 2006 by a group of youth called the Gang of Barbarians and subsequently tortured to death over a period of three weeks. The murder, amongst whose motives authorities include antisemitism, incited a public outcry in a France already marked by intense public controversy about the role of children of immigrants in its society.

On 19 March 2012, Mohammed Merah shot and killed three Jewish children and a rabbi at the Ozar Hatorah School in Toulouse, France.[100] He was later killed during a raid by the French police on his house.[101] Merah was also inspired by al-Qaeda. Following the murders, the Ozar Hatorah school was targeted by antisemitic hate mail and calls.[102]

In July 2012, a French Jewish teenager wearing a "distinctive religious symbol" was the victim of a violent antisemitic attack on a train travelling between Toulouse and Lyon. The teen was first verbally harassed and later beaten up by two assailants. The French Jewish umbrella group, CRIF, called the attack "another development in the worrying trend of antisemitism in our country."[103]

Another incident in July 2012 dealt with the vandalism of the synagogue of Noisy-le-Grand of the Seine-Saint-Denis district in Paris. The synagogue was vandalized three times in a ten-day period. Prayer books and shawls were thrown on the floor, windows were shattered, drawers were ransacked, and vandalized the walls, tables, clocks, and floors. The authorities were alerted of the incidents by the Bureau National de Vigilance Contr L’Antisemtisme (BNVCA), a French antisemitism watchdog group, which called for more measures to be taken to prevent future hate crimes. BNVCA President Sammy Ghozlan stated that, "Despite the measures taken, things persist, and I think that we need additional legislation, because the Jewish community is annoyed."[104]

In June 2014, Following the threats facing Jews in France, particularly arising from French-born jihadists returning after fighting in the civil war in Syria, French President Francois Hollande met with an international delegation of Jewish leaders. The French president outlined steps that have been taken to protect the Jewish community, especially Jewish schools, from attacks and growing antisemitism. He was quoted saying that: "We would like to set an example to the world in fighting anti-Semitism," he said, but conceded the current situation — following a murderous attack by a French-born terrorist in Belgium — bespoke a "new, heavy context.[105]"
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So, citing an article that goes on to talk about Muslim violence towards Jews helps your argument how, exactly?
 
David T

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ronki23 said:
I guess World War 2 was justified because a handful of Jews signed the 1918 armistice (sarcasm). Do atheists really believe a genocide was justified just because 6 million people happened to believe in Yahweh?
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Are you naturally lame or super naturally lame?

Let me guess former drug addict or alcoholic.
 
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ronki23 said:
I guess World War 2 was justified because a handful of Jews signed the 1918 armistice (sarcasm). Do atheists really believe a genocide was justified just because 6 million people happened to believe in Yahweh?
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Immorality (not evil) are justified immoral from the consequences hitlers actions. I honestly dont know what evil is. The result of actions that justifies the nature of its consequence, not whether jews believe in yehewah.
 
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David T

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ronki23 said:
I guess World War 2 was justified because a handful of Jews signed the 1918 armistice (sarcasm). Do atheists really believe a genocide was justified just because 6 million people happened to believe in Yahweh?
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