I didn't have you pegged for the sort who would post a thread like this one, but now I know.
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Do atheists justify the holocaust of over 6 million Jews because "religion is evil"?
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I didn't have you pegged for the sort who would post a thread like this one, but now I know.
Shushersbedamned
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I disagree
Shushersbedamned
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Where's that from? I live there and I've absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
exchemist
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My sentiments entirely.
Father Heathen
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Bob the Unbeliever
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I would be quite surprised to find an atheist who would use the word "justified" in direct connection with genocide-- or even attempted genocide for that matter.
But I've been surprised before.
No-- I would think that an anti-semite, non-theist might use the word "deserved", but not "justified".
Me? I'm against any and all forms of genocide, regardless of who the target victims may be.
I'm even against killing all the NAZIS. I do not think it is possible to justify mass-death the way the NAZIs did under the holocaust.
Hell--- I have serious problems with the mass deaths during wars...! I understand why they happened, and I lament that they did take place-- but I have a problem trying to **justify** any of them!
The word "Justify" carries some moral weight in my mind, you see.
(and no-- I do not have a pat or ready answer to the question: "is any death ever justified".... it's an issue I am still wrestling with. )
(( and in case anyone misunderstands, I don't think the Jews *deserved** what happened to them in WW2, either..... nobody deserves such a fate as they collectively suffered. ))
What on earth makes you think that non-believers generically hold the view that the holocaust was justified?
That non-believers want to kill people at a great rate than believers?
One of the things I love about Lebanese and Turkish restaurants is that I can order virtually anything without being concerned about pork (and most of them around me are BYOB).
I guess even sarcasm has its limits.
I don't believe atheists would justify the Holocaust. Besides, Jewish people were not being targeted because of their religion. Religion had nothing to do with it. The Nazis saw them as a separate race, and it wouldn't have mattered if they were atheists or even converts to Christianity.
I might also point out that when the Nuremberg Trials took place, it was the atheist Soviet Union which took the harshest stance towards the Germans. They wanted to punish Germany much more severely for their crimes in WW2, but the Allies took a softer approach. This particular disagreement led to major impasse which would quickly turn into a Cold War.
oldbadger
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Rubbish, methinks....
And anybody, regardless of religion, race, colour, nationality, age or politics can, with an once of sense, review the available evidence and recognise that:-
1. The Holocaust happened.
2. There were 13 million victims and not just 6 million.
3. The Hollocaust victims included Blacks, the Disabled, Jews, Eastern Europeans, Jehovah's Witnesses, Freemasons, Gays, Gypsies, and probably other groups I've missed.
4. Mass Murder by very wicked Extremist Criminals was the cause.
dianaiad
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stvdv
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Hitler is known for "Arian race is superior"
Others say "Jews are the chosen people"
I always say 1 cause of aggression is:
"My religion/messenger is better than yours [the only way]"
So I am not sure if atheist believe a genocide was justified because 6million people believed in Yahweh
But claiming "Jews are the chosen people", esp. if done by Jews [for >2000years], might ignite enough anger to cause such violence
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Interesting. I've all but given up eating pork because of how intelligent pigs are. Alceste got me thinking about that when she remarked she didn't eat pork because she refused to eat an animal "more intelligent than half the human population of North America."
Atheists aren't really a 'group', so it might be possible to find one or two sociopathic and despicable atheists who do. I've never met one, but in theory they might exist.
I guess posting this ridiculous OP was justified because you conflate the politically motivated violence of one of history's single most murderous people with a non-group you...err...don't like?
Pro-tip...troll us with Stalin or Mao references. It's still rubbish, but at least you might hook a few.
That actually isn't saying Jews are superior to others. They're just set aside for a function or mission and it's very hard since they have so many laws they have to follow, far beyond what Gentiles are called to follow (613 vs. 7 laws). Of course, a Gentile can always convert to Judaism but it's not necessary. They try to discourage you from it with a bit of air of "why the hell would you want to do that?!". But Judaism doesn't view Jews as superior to Gentiles in the eyes of God. As long as you do good, they tend to think you'll have a share in the World to Come.
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stvdv
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IMHO. Some people coerce to just make such prophecies happen. ISIS, Hitler might be examples. So I refrain from such claims.
That's that .
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