Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There was roughly 35,000 automobile deaths last year. There was a driver involved with those. Should we condemn all drivers?
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Do black people commit most of the crime in the US?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
All I said was it is stupid to claim that crime is inherent to skin color. Since no one has said that here, I'm not calling anyone stupid. And, I didn't say that those who said such things were stupid, I said the claim itself is stupid. I stand by that.
I have a treat for you.
I've no more objections to offer.
Is that a sigh of relief I hear?
I didn't see where Rushton made any comment about Blacks being "intellectually inferior". My own statements are about IQ scores. And there is an unequivocal racial pattern in such scores. If one wishes to use the term “intellectually inferior,” one cannot deny that whites are “intellectually inferior” also.
To my mind, what IQ tests measure is not known. They seem to measure something, but it is not an entirely stable trait. Initially women consistently scored lower on IQ tests than men. That has changed somewhat in the past 100 years. I think women now consistently score at least as well or better on certain portions of these tests.
It's fair to say that IQ scores are related to intelligence. But there's no
direct correlation because of the fog imposed by cultural applicability,
learning differences, disabilities, test taking skill, education level, etc.
An extreme case of test inapplicability.....
Study: Dolphins Not So Intelligent On Land
Yeah, I get what you're saying. There are good apples and bad apples.
I was mainly addressing your point that people who talk about wealthy people don't really know wealthy people. I don't agree with that.
I've heard people make rather scornful remarks directed at the lower classes, so it goes both ways.
But when we're talking about a class of people who reach a point where they can and do exert their power and influence to control government, business, and the society in general, then they would be regarded as the "ruling class." I believe it's perfectly fair and reasonable to judge them by the results of what they have produced in this society. They wanted wealth and power. They wanted to run society, so I see no reason they can't be evaluated on what kind of job they've done based on the society we currently have.
I hear ya. But it's not really the lawyers. It's those who have too much excessive faith in "the system." That faith feeds the system, which necessitates the supremacy of the rule of law, which then puts most of the actual operating power of the country in their hands. A good lawyer who knows all the angles and loopholes and can game the system for the benefit of his (wealthy) client is worth his weight in gold. As Mario Puzo once wrote, one lawyer can steal more with a briefcase than a 100 men armed with machine guns.
Lawyers are the system.
They write the laws.
They design & run the court system.
They become the judges, & afterwards become lawyers again.
They do everything they can to prevent self representation.
They rig things to maximize fleecing of the parties in court.
It's a fox in charge of the hen house scenario.
As a lawyer friend says....
It's the 99 out of 100 bad lawyers who give the profession a bad name.
That sounds plausible to me.
Hummm. If that's a real study, I'm not sure it's informative. I can't find the study, and the only Scott Lindell I have found mentions nothing about the University of Florida or any study with dolphins: Scott Lindell The Onion might be pulling your leg.
You guys have already done this song and dance. You should try something new.
At least neither of you were so hypocritical to first say declare something like this:
"Let's just say that I oppose using such a broad brush to dis an entire class of people."
My most trusted news source?
Impossible!
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Sort of like how "white privilege" is used to bludgeon people nowadays?
As I pointed out, lawyers are the singular exception.
They've no redeeming value to society.
I could never dance with Revoltingest. I heard he has two left feet.
Usually they object to my roam'n hands.
Condemn them? No. But we should hold them accountable to safe and responsible driving standards and practices.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
But you are pretty much blaming rich people, as a whole, for the problems you listed. Enron executives were rich, sure, and they caused massive amounts of damage, but Bill Gates is very-super-ultra-wealthy and he donates tons and tons and tons of money. David Koche has a fiscal libertarian approach and wants fewer taxes and social services, but Warren Buffet has made a case to pay more taxes for more social services.
Saying "rich people are this and that," it's just not true. You might as well say "cops are this and that" or "black people are this and that" or "gay men are this and that," really, it applies the same to so many different groups. We can't even say all Klan members are racist, because truthfully some aren't and are only in it because of family, boyfriend/husband, or other pressures to be in it, despite them not agreeing at all with the racist ideology.
Who has been bludgeoned by "white privilege"?
Does you bigotry have any other source than the fact that you lost your case?
NPR's audience, for one.
You're really bad at detecting mirthful exaggeration.
This portends much more fun in the future.