Do Drugs Bring you Closer to God?

[The Neo Nerd]

Haven't you seen SLC Punk? He hides a buncha acid in his sock, then runs through wet grass without realizing it and the dude went nuts. It wipes brain cells

There's some stuff on it on Wikipedia.

Lysergic acid diethylamide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whilst there have been no documented human deaths from an LSD overdose,[57] LSD may temporarily impair the ability to make sensible judgments and understand common dangers, thus making the user more susceptible to accidents and personal injury and cause signs of organic brain damage-impaired memory and attention span, mental confusion or difficulty with abstract thinking.[58] However LSD is physiologically well tolerated and there is no evidence for long-lasting effects on the brain or other parts of the human organism.[59]

I've done acid twice.

Ever since the 2nd time my sense of smell has been phenomenal. Great for when a pretty girl walks past wearing a nice perfume. Bad for when you have a housemate who doesnt shower.

-Q

 

[Nerthus]

Experiences of god created by drugs cannot be sustained.

There are many who disagree and find it the best way of connecting with a higher/ spiritual power.

 

[Midnight Pete]

There are many who disagree and find it the best way of connecting with a higher/ spiritual power.

Sooner or later the drugs will toxify and kill your body, destroy your mind.

 

[Nerthus]

Sooner or later the drugs will toxify and kill your body, destroy your mind.

One can argue religion does the same.

 

[Midnight Pete]

One can argue religion does the same.

Religion is not God.

 

[Nerthus]

Religion is not God.

Well, that depends. Seems a lot of people will switch from saying it is to it isn't.

It's all a matter of opinion anyhow. No one can argue one over the other. If I take drugs today and tomorrow claim I experienced God in a way I never have before - who is to say I didn't?

 

[BruceDLimber]

Well, Crimson, I've posted the relevant material as requested; and since you've not deigned to reply, I presume this means you have no refutation or otherwise accept the statements posted: fine; so be it!

Bruce

 

[Midnight Pete]

Well, that depends. Seems a lot of people will switch from saying it is to it isn't.

Religion itself is wrongly deified. Religion is probably the most insidious idol of them all.

It's all a matter of opinion anyhow. No one can argue one over the other. If I take drugs today and tomorrow claim I experienced God in a way I never have before - who is to say I didn't?

No one. Your subjectivce experiences are naturally beyond any objective confirmation or denial. But that doesn't necessarily make them objectively real.

 

[crimsonlung]

Well, Crimson, I've posted the relevant material as requested; and since you've not deigned to reply, I presume this means you have no refutation or otherwise accept the statements posted: fine; so be it!

Bruce

Well, I wasn't really debating against your beliefs, I was curious how it interpreted drug use, I read it, its very interesting. But I dont agree with it. First off, its saying that Hallucinogens are an intoxicant, but that isn't specific. Shrooms, yes, the method is poison to the system, but pure LSD is not an intoxicant, its a mind altering substance.

""Although we have found no direct reference to marijuana in the Bahá'í writings,
since this substance is derived from what is considered to be a milder form of cannabis"

Here it is saying that there is nothing on Marijuana, so it looks like that is fine.

I am not understanding where this document came from, is this directly quoted from the scripture or is this someones take on it? Either way, they use "Should not" on matters describing whether or not to use drugs. Does this mean you can still do it?

 

[Nerthus]

No one. Your subjectivce experiences are naturally beyond any objective confirmation or denial. But that doesn't necessarily make them objectively real.

Same as one's belief in God.

 

[TrodtoZion]

Ganja ain't a drug it is a plant created by the most high Jah Rastafari Bob is right. InI use it because when I use it i see how corrupt this babylon world is and the goverment dosent like that

 

[crimsonlung]

There's some stuff on it on Wikipedia.

Lysergic acid diethylamide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I've done acid twice.

Ever since the 2nd time my sense of smell has been phenomenal. Great for when a pretty girl walks past wearing a nice perfume. Bad for when you have a housemate who doesnt shower.

-Q

It said in the Wiki that the drug could be used as chemical warfare so they banned it. But wouldn't this be great to use as chemical warfare? Its not deadly, it takes a little bit to disorientate you, can easily be put into a water stream or sprayed from a plane. Why are we using missiles, just spray everyone with LSD.

 

[Willard]

I think it's a spiritual cognition brought on by a physical chemical reaction. Even in death there is physical chemical reaction and no one can say that don't bring us to God. There are constantly physical chemical reactions taking place in our lives everything we see or touch and in every emotion we feel. Should that mean that nothing we experiance is spiritual with or without drugs?
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In revolation 10 John is given something that sounds quite a bit like LSD. He takes a little scroll from the seventh angel, it was said to be bitter to the stomach but sweet to the taste and he was told to eat it.. So he did and then he was instructed to prophesy just after his stomach was made bitter. Anyone who has taken LSD should see the similarity..*
LSD actually was origionaly isolated useing ergot.. Ergot was thought to be part of Rye untill the late 1800's but in actuallity it is a fungus. Injesting ergot would cause convultions, muscle spasms and hallusinations. Later around 1935 or so a man named Albert Hoffman synthesized ergonovine in a lab and came up w LSD. Ergonovine *and ergotamine were medications created from ergot soon after the discovery and understanding of it's existance. Who's to say that since ergot has been around as long as Rye but not understood untill the 1800's, that back in the day even Jesus didn't eat a little bit of ergot in his Jewish Rye along w a little too much wine? * * *
Who's to say that the reason for the bread and wine representing the flesh and blood of Christ isn't because drugs do bring us closer to God?

The native Americans have been taking peyote for reasons of prayer for thousands of years.. Peyote enduces hallucinations as well as ergot only considerably less deadly. The Native Americans seemed to always understand the power in hallusinations and vision and though peyote was banned by the United States government in the 1940s and 1950s, the use of the peyote "medicine" became illegal. In 1976, the government changed its mind and declared that Native Americans could practice their religion by using the sacred medicine.

That is only A small portion of what people have used for some type of spiritual gain or as a sacrament.. *

You can google just about everything I said there I just thought I'd put it together a little bit for y'all..
The way I see it taking certain drugs kill us slightly in a way, bringing us closer to God or closer to our spiritual selves.. To suffer a little and see the visions deep within our souls, but most would say it's only a hallucination.. High fevers also destroy so many brain cells and can cause hallucinations and still I say the closer we are to death the closer we are to God. Only with drugs you can potentially*control the dose however a high fever is more prone to take you too far..
I believe it's best to try and find that level of thought and open that door without picking the lock, the key is realy within our individual souls.. God is in each of us but the darkness is our flesh.. We must sometimes break the flesh a little to let in some light so that we may see I guess.. * * * *

 

[idea]

Experiences of God are fleeting anyway.

I believe that experiences of God do not have to be fleeting...that our conscience - that inner guiding light which reveals what is right and what is wrong, is always there to guide and support us - and not just our conscience, but when you learn to tune into the Spirit, you will recognize that it is always there too. God is with all of us every second of every day, it is possible to experience a spiritual life rather than just have fleeting spiritual experiences...

46 The Holy Ghost shall be thy constant companion, and thy scepter an unchanging scepter of righteousness and truth
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 121:46)

 

[idea]

..The way I see it taking certain drugs kill us slightly in a way, bringing us closer to God or closer to our spiritual selves.. To suffer a little and see the visions deep within our souls, ...We must sometimes break the flesh a little to let in some light so that we may see I guess.. * * * *

interesting stuff, I agree we are electrical/chemical beings, still discovering by what means spirits interact with one another.

I will say that although LDS do not do drugs etc. etc. we do participate in fasting, as do many other religious groups. Once a month we go without food/water for at least a 24hr period, we donate the money that we would have spent on food to humanitarian efforts - our spirit it seems can become overly attached to the flesh, perhaps fasting is one means of trying to get the flesh under control for a bit? We do have the constant companionwhip of the Spirit, but doing things like fasting, and sacrificing other material possessions to detach ourselves from the flesh - it does help bring spiritual things into focus a little better. Idealy, it is not about killing ourselves or anything though, just bring the flesh into mastery, gaining a balance between flesh and spirit - neither one ruling the other. We (LDS) celebrate our bodies, and believe that:

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section138:17)
17 Their sleeping adust was to be brestored unto its cperfect frame, dbone to his bone, and the sinews and the flesh upon them, the espirit and the body to be united never again to be divided, that they might receive a fulness of fjoy.

that connected spirit and body brings a fulness of joy... that evil spirits have been restrained from obtainig a body (so they cannot physically harm anyone) and that is why they are constantly trying to possess people etc. etc. - they would rather be in a herd of swine if you recall, they really want a body, because a body is a great thing to have

(New Testament | Matthew8:31)
31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

so a body is great, but it has to be under control - to be physically fit, eat healthy foods, be able to control appetite etc. etc. that the best spiritual experiences come when our minds are keen, healthy, peaceful, etc. etc.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Same as one's belief in God.

Yes, that's correct.

 

[Midnight Pete]

I believe that experiences of God do not have to be fleeting...that our conscience - that inner guiding light which reveals what is right and what is wrong, is always there to guide and support us - and not just our conscience, but when you learn to tune into the Spirit, you will recognize that it is always there too. God is with all of us every second of every day, it is possible to experience a spiritual life rather than just have fleeting spiritual experiences...

46 The Holy Ghost shall be thy constant companion, and thy scepter an unchanging scepter of righteousness and truth
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section121:46)

You make a good point.

 

[TrodtoZion]

Not many people realize this but the Israelites burnt cannabis in the the temple and dem early christians used it extensivly

 

[Midnight Pete]

Not many people realize this but the Israelites burnt cannabis in the the temple and dem early christians used it extensivly

How do you know?

 

[ellenjanuary]

Sooner or later the drugs will toxify and kill your body, destroy your mind.

Absolutely.

The use of drugs for religious purposes is always regulated, if by nothing else than by the mind of the user.