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Now lets put that decision on kids as young as 5 years old who want to be superman one day and a firefighter the next day.
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Do Extreme Interventions for Trans Youths Save Lives?
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
The path in Denmark is as follows and remember we have government healtcare.
A 12 year old have the right in the end beyound her/his/their parents's wishes to be heared.
Ask for a referel from a GP.
Get tested and interviewed by specialists.
The case is decided by a panel of specialists.
If approved, treament can start.
So the 12 year old is heard and if deemed relevant, the treatment starts.
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, yes. The USA is bad, therefore it can't be done differently and there can't be something about it as such, because how it happens in the USA, is the world.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
The increase in transgender behavior is due to this being a social construct. It is not organic; from the inside, but being induced artificially like a fad, from the outside. The same people who push evolution are telling us to buy into the notion that basic human behavior, like human sexuality, can evolve this fast by internal changes, alone. This is more like a creation type affect; social construct, which can have a faster pace than natural evolution; fad.
This is the pet rock of today. If you are not aware, the pet rock was a fad, where children would make rocks their pet. They had to buy an official rock. with a birth certificate. Some parents saw no harm, while others had no choice but to buy rocks so their kids were not left out. Kids are vulnerable to market deception and peer pressure working together. Now teachers are part of the scam. The pet rock ran its course and disappeared.
The reason one is not allowed to have a rational discussion is because this fad is designed to make money, while the needed propaganda and brain washing work best, when there are no countering arguments. If the Left was genuinely wanting to help and this was not a staged problem in the making, the Left would be more open to ideas from all sides. But they want a monopoly on the campaign donations from Big Med and Big Pharm.
Europe is taking a more cautious approach and studies have shown that psychological counseling helps as well as medication, but the Psychology Industry does not have the same deep pockets as Big Med and Big Pharm, so the path of the Left is set by default.
I feel bad for all the transgender lab rats, who think they are part of a cutting edge organic movement. Most do not see this yet. What I would do, is get lawyers and file a class action law suit, early, so when the proverbial crap hits the fan; fad ends, you are first in line for reparations, from the DNC, Teachers Union, and all their corporate, political and media donors who make this fad possible.
Unlike slave reparations where the present wants compensation for someone else's past; irrational and unjust, this will be reparations based on real time victims and real time predators. The largest injury law firm in USA is Morgan and Morgan. They have an army of lawyers to take on big corporations and win. Then again defense lawyers tend to donate mostly to the Democrat party. A house divided can not stand for long.
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It's a decent point, but not perfect. Countries are intertwined with each other and impact each other.Well, yes. The USA is bad, therefore it can't be done differently and there can't be something about it as such, because how it happens in the USA, is the world.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, but it goes even deeper than that. It always ends in how given person understand evidence. And that apllies to us 2 too.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Let me repeat what I said in a previous post, a 12-year-old cannot make that decision by themselves, and at that age if the parents and the doctor agree, the teen typically may be put on hormone suppressants until older.
Yeah, but it goes even deeper than that. It always ends in how given person understand evidence. And that apllies to us 2 too.
That's true up to a point. But what's also true is that societies create policies and laws and such.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That is simply not even close to being true, so obviously you have chosen not to do the homework. Maybe educate yourself before posting:
Learn more about what it means to be transgender or gender diverse
Causes of gender incongruence - Wikipedia
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Correct, and here is my test for that as an indivudual. Speak up if revelant and vote. If you really feel for it, do civil disobedience. And if it is really worng, get weapons, attack the nearest police station while you yell: Long live the revolution.
But for the last one if it fails, don't come crying to me.
I would hope that we can all agree on this goal!
So the proponents of surgeries and puberty blockers (which ARE the same drugs they use for chemical castration of violent sex offenders), for young people often claim:
Most major American medical organizations support gender affirming care. (Which includes the extreme interventions listed above.)
It seems to me that this claim is essential for the proponent's recommendations to be considered, correct?
The article below dissects the claim above and shows that the "support" is quite flawed and is a sort of house of cards built on very few studies, most of which are not holding up well to review.
‘Trust the Experts’ Is Not Enough
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We all want to reduce suicidal tendencies in youth. But it seems to me that the extreme measures of puberty blockers and surgeries ought to be suspended until MUCH better evidence is available.
I think we can both agree that is a worthwhile goalI would hope that we can all agree on this goal!
So the proponents of surgeries and puberty blockers (which ARE the same drugs they use for chemical castration of violent sex offenders), for young people often claim:
Most major American medical organizations support gender affirming care. (Which includes the extreme interventions listed above.)
It seems to me that this claim is essential for the proponent's recommendations to be considered, correct?
The article below dissects the claim above and shows that the "support" is quite flawed and is a sort of house of cards built on very few studies, most of which are not holding up well to review.
‘Trust the Experts’ Is Not Enough
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We all want to reduce suicidal tendencies in youth. But it seems to me that the extreme measures of puberty blockers and surgeries ought to be suspended until MUCH better evidence is available.
Now I googled Manhattan Institute.
Please note this is only my initial reaction
The results all tell me that it is a Conservative Think Tank.
Red flag to me right away. And I say that as someone from outside the US (and would say the same if the results said it was a Liberal Think Tank.)
These institutions, in my experience at least, only claim that one shouldn’t “follow the experts” because of their political and/or religious beliefs. We have our own that does the same here. Their presence might not be as prominent as in the US though. I’m not sure.
They just like to present themselves as offical, but they are opinion pieces. Opinions from layman with training in fields outside of science. They do not understand the studies, they do not understand the process and they do not understand the scientific method.
I don’t either, I freely admit that. So I rely on the experts of their fields.
Now I applaud your skepticism and agree we should always be wary of just relying on the science. Insofar as elements or even full studies can be proven wrong later down the track. I just can’t seem to find that outside of the “accredited lab suit wearing teams” if ya follow?
And unfortunately it is a highly politicised topic so we need to be extra careful right now
If you can give me an accredited institution that points out the actual scientific flaws in current research, that has provided studies that has not been retracted, then I’m all ears.
I know that sounds like a very specific or perhaps very rigorous citation. And I apologise for that. But you made a very tall claim. And science by its very nature demands a lot of hoops to jump through in order to provide evidence for a claim, any claim. Right?
Science is rigorous and has high standards. It fumbles all the time, no doubt. Like I said, scientists are still humans with their own biases in play. But if you want to tell me not to trust the experts, you need evidence that is just as rigorous.
(Just don’t ask me to properly interpret scientific data lol. Like I said, I don’t understand this stuff properly.)
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We Never Know
No Slack
It starts with the 5 year old.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't know what you're referring to and have not read any reference to 5-year-olds in this regard. According to an AP article, the youngest to possibly consider gender replacement is 14: Trans kids' treatment can start younger, new guidelines say
We Never Know
No Slack
Some think it should start at very young age.
In reference to the 5 year old as and example, Either the decisions start with the 5 year or parents and Dr. make the decisions for them.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well, then you can post with the "some" as that has nothing to do with what I posted.
It raised flags for me as well. But I think a couple of ideas come into play here:
- This is a very politically charged topic, so EVERYONE who chimes in is likely to have an agenda.
- I think it's good policy to separate the message from the messenger.
A couple of responses:
- I agree that rigor is called for
- This article is loaded with clearly written, unambiguous, factual claims. As you know, clear factual claims are relatively easy to research to establish their veracity.
- The article includes an EXTENSIVE, 29 item, list of citations
We Never Know
No Slack
Lol. You responded to my post that wasn't even to you. Maybe you should have just skipped it if as you say "has nothing to do with what you posted".
We Never Know
No Slack
5 year olds are choosing and being allowed to transistion in every way except medical treatment. That is a big decision for a 5yr old.No one is advocating that......
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