Do innocent sinful people go to hell?

[Desert Snake]

If I was God, then I think it would be much wiser to put me in charge. I would make sure the wicked people who harm others change. I would inflict suffering upon them until they change, but would not condemn them to eternal hell. As for the types of harmless people like me who are nice, kind, and don't make the lives of others miserable, I would be perfectly fine with their ways of life. So how is the Biblical God being in charge instead better than me being in charge? If I was in charge, then nice and kind harmless people like me would not have to even fear of going to hell.

I wouldn't even deem their ways of life as being sinful in the first place unlike this judging God who sees virtually everything as a sin. If this God wasn't so judgmental, then He would be like me if I were the one in charge. It is the very fact that He is so judgmental that He judges virtually everything we do as sin and condemns us to hell. If He wasn't like that, then there would of been no need to have His son sacrificed.

The judgments, drama, and extreme measures this God goes to over every little thing He judges to be sin is just simply absurd. Living for and obeying someone like a slave is not the only way to love someone and to be connected with them. I don't live for my family and don't have any desire to live for them, but I still love them and am still connected to them.

It would just be absurd for them to condemn me to hell, to say that I reject them, don't love them, etc. just simply because I don't dedicate my life to them and just sit at my computer and live to enjoy my hobbies. Even if I have chosen to be disconnected from this Biblical God and to reject Him, then if He were all loving, He would still take me in into His Kingdom.

He would have too much love to just send me to hell to be tortured forever. He would want me to be happy no matter what. That is how much love He would have for me if He were truly all loving. I am not harming anyone else or making anyone's life miserable, so that is why an all loving God would take me in and want me to be happy.

Lastly, I am debating God's love. I consider this a valid debate because if I can prove this God is not all loving, then that would disprove the Biblical God. It would mean that all the evidence you say exists for this God is not evidence at all.

I'm not even sure what you're talking about. The Bible states to simply accept Jesus, and you'll be saved.

Is that really that difficult?

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

I'm not even sure what you're talking about. The Bible states to simply accept Jesus, and you'll be saved.

Is that really that difficult?

It is that difficult because I am expected to completely change my life. I am expected to no longer live the life I wanted and liked to enjoy. Me living to enjoy my hobbies is apparently a sin according to the Biblical God. Therefore, I am expected to live my life as though I am a slave to this God.

But I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to live for or to serve anybody. That would include God Himself. I am only here to be happy and to have a wonderful time. That is the only life worth living to me. As long as my way of life is not harming anyone else, then there is absolutely no reason why such a life should even be considered a sin to begin with.

Even if my way of life somehow did isolate me from this God, then the least He could do is just to simply put me in an isolated part of His heavenly kingdom where I can be happy apart from His presence. Why should being isolated from God result in Him sending me to hell? After all, hell was something He never intended for mankind.

It was a place only meant for Satan and his demons. Therefore, people who have isolated themselves from God have no reason to be sent there. Rather, to remain in some place or layer of His kingdom that is detached from His presence.

 

[Muffled]

Who ends up in ' second death ' according to Revelation 21:8 ?
Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B
Satan ends up in ' second death ' - Revelation 21:8
So, ' second death ' is a fitting term for destruction.
The wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
They will Not wake up ever again - Jeremiah 51:57; Jeremiah 51:39 B

I believe this is saying they will die. The story as I remember it was that the Babylonians became drunk and fell asleep and the enemy came and killed them so there was no waking up to life for them.

I believe you have a missing link in your logic.

I believe bring to nought simply means to negate. It isn't destruction but a reduction of power over men to nothing.

 

[Muffled]

It is that difficult because I am expected to completely change my life. I am expected to no longer live the life I wanted and liked to enjoy. Me living to enjoy my hobbies is apparently a sin according to the Biblical God. Therefore, I am expected to live my life as though I am a slave to this God.

But I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to live for or to serve anybody. That would include God Himself. I am only here to be happy and to have a wonderful time. That is the only life worth living to me. As long as my way of life is not harming anyone else, then there is absolutely no reason why such a life should even be considered a sin to begin with.

Even if my way of life somehow did isolate me from this God, then the least He could do is just to simply put me in an isolated part of His heavenly kingdom where I can be happy apart from His presence. Why should being isolated from God result in Him sending me to hell? After all, hell was something He never intended for mankind.

It was a place only meant for Satan and his demons. Therefore, people who have isolated themselves from God have no reason to be sent there. Rather, to remain in some place or layer of His kingdom that is detached from His presence.

I believe if He did what you wish He would not truly love you.

 

[Muffled]

Still waiting for the explanation of how a person can be innocent and sinful at the same time.

I believe I was innocent enough to believe fellatio was ok until God told me it was a sin and sexual perversion.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

In early Buddhism, a person who is attached to their own guilt sends himself to the hellish realms, even in this very life.

I don't rag on Buddhism very much. Granted it doesn't desrve it as much as many other religions but lets take a crack.

By this logic wouldn't psychopaths be the ones closest to enlightenment? No regrets. Closest thing to inner peace we can probably have as humans. Ect. Do external qualities matter for karma? Or is it totally internal? Is there objectively wrong things to do or is it subjectve? To a true psychopath they have never done a single thing wrong or regretful their wholes lives.

 

[Reggie Miller]

But what about an innocent person who has lived a sinful life?

"Innocent person" and "sinful life" contradict. The Bible also says that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. All are under sin. The only way to be free from sin is Jesus Christ, also stated in the Bible.

 

[buddhist]

I don't rag on Buddhism very much. Granted it doesn't desrve it as much as many other religions but lets take a crack.

By this logic wouldn't psychopaths be the ones closest to enlightenment? No regrets. Closest thing to inner peace we can probably have as humans. Ect. Do external qualities matter for karma? Or is it totally internal? Is there objectively wrong things to do or is it subjectve? To a true psychopath they have never done a single thing wrong or regretful their wholes lives.

The Law of Kamma manifests itself for every cause, even for psychopaths.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

The Law of Kamma manifests itself for every cause, even for psychopaths.

Which is more important? The internal or external? Does a good person who feels guilty for small sins fall lower than someone with no guilt but great sins?

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

I believe if He did what you wish He would not truly love you.

It's inconceivable for me to even see how that would be love; but if that is love to you, then that's your personal view. Not mine at all. If a God allows me to enjoy my life as long as my life is harmless and brings me up to his heavenly kingdom after I die without judging my way of life as sinful, then I obviously see that as the greatest love a deity or a person can have for me.

My loving family would treat me as such and even many kind people I meet would treat me as such as well. So that obviously says here that a God who would treat me as such would also be a loving God. There would be no way an all loving and an all just God would judge my way of life as sinful and send me to hell over every little thing he sees as sin that I did not repent from and confess. It doesn't matter how you try to justify it, there is simply no way a God who is all just and all loving would do that.

 

[buddhist]

Which is more important? The internal or external? Does a good person who feels guilty for small sins fall lower than someone with no guilt but great sins?

All are important. Law of Kamma works on every level of reality.

There are no sins in Buddhism.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I believe bring to nought simply means to negate. It isn't destruction but a reduction of power over men to nothing.

Aren't the wicked to be 'destroyed forever' ( annihilated ) according to Psalms 92:7 ? _______

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Which is more important? The internal or external? Does a good person who feels guilty for small sins fall lower than someone with no guilt but great sins?

Sin in Scripture is either: on purpose, willful, premeditated, or not.- Hebrews 10:26
So, unless committing the unforgivable sin - Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6 - a repentant person can be forgiven.

We can Not read hearts but, according to Scripture, God can.
How do we correctly judge a person with a damaged conscience?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Do you throw garbage in the fire to punish it or to destroy it because it is worthless? People who sin and refuse to repent and garbage to God and will be burned up in the fire, not left there forever to be punished.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

It is said that only very very few will manage to make it to God's heavenly kingdom and that there will be millions upon millions sent to hell. That's not because there are so many harmful and cruel wicked people in the world, but rather because we are all akin to poor and pitiful innocent children with a small dirt spot on our shoes not welcome and condemned to eternal torture just because we made a small dirt stain of sin in a filthy rich father's mansion that he wishes to keep perfectly polished.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

God does not care about dirt on the floor. he cares about what is in the heart. If people are willing to do the right thing, they will be rewarded but if they do not want to follow the rules, they will be removed from the group. They are like garbage and will be destroyed, not punished forever.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

God does not care about dirt on the floor. he cares about what is in the heart. If people are willing to do the right thing, they will be rewarded but if they do not want to follow the rules, they will be removed from the group. They are like garbage and will be destroyed, not punished forever.

That's actually what I meant by the "dirt stain of sin" in my metaphorical description of God.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Thank you, but God is far beyond metaphors. I prefer to keep it clear and understandable. The more important point is that people who believe sinners suffer unending pain in hell are wrong. God will remove sinners from society and destroy them in fire like one would burn garbage. Not to punish it but to get rid of it. The metaphorical descriptions of eternal pain and suffering are not true.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Do innocent sinful people go to hell?

Yes, innocent or sinful, they will all go to hell. One does not go to hell because he or she transgressed the Law but because he or she was born. Hell in the life of man is only the 3rd phase of his existence. The phases are birth, life and death. Oh! BTW, I am talking about Sheol the Hebrew word for the grave. That's where we all are heading to, whether we are innocent or sinful and the only reason is because we have been born.

 

[Muffled]

It's inconceivable for me to even see how that would be love; but if that is love to you, then that's your personal view. Not mine at all. If a God allows me to enjoy my life as long as my life is harmless and brings me up to his heavenly kingdom after I die without judging my way of life as sinful, then I obviously see that as the greatest love a deity or a person can have for me.

My loving family would treat me as such and even many kind people I meet would treat me as such as well. So that obviously says here that a God who would treat me as such would also be a loving God. There would be no way an all loving and an all just God would judge my way of life as sinful and send me to hell over every little thing he sees as sin that I did not repent from and confess. It doesn't matter how you try to justify it, there is simply no way a God who is all just and all loving would do that.

I have those little sins also. If I go into the Kingdom and you do not it is because I have asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior and you have not. He has provided this way to be saved because He loves you but He will not accept your rebellion.