Do Mohammed and the Pope provide moral guidance on sex?

[sonofskeptish]

Do religious figures like Mohammed and the Pope provide moral guidance on the topic of sex that their followers claim?

Like many of you, I recently learned through RF debates that the prophet Mohammed consummated his marriage to his child bride Aisha, by the time she was only 9-years-old.

And if you’ve been watching the news, you’ll know that the Pope himself was/is involved in covering-up the child sex abuse done by his priests.

Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'| News | This is London

While some Muslims and Catholics have expressed their disgust with these actions, others aggressively defend their religious leaders... often while at the same time condemning sexual relations by two loving, consenting adults of the same sex.

Does anyone else wonder what on earth is going on here, and what the impact is of looking to religious leaders like Mohammed and the Pope for moral guidance on the subject of sex?

 

[Sunstone]

I don't think you can reasonably say the Pope is a creditable source of moral guidance on any sexual matter. Hell, I'm more moral than he is.

 

[ChristineES]

The Pope shouldn't give any advice on sex, after all, he is supposed to be celibate. I wouldn't trust this one anyway since he overlooked men who harmed young boys.
I don't know about Mohammad.

 

[Skeptisch]

The Pope said condoms were not the answer to Africa's fight against HIV and Aids and could make the problem worse.

Is this the guy who is infallible?

 

[sonofskeptish]

In case there is any doubt...

"In plain language, Cardinal Ratzinger said the fear of bad publicity for the church was more important than kicking the pedophile out of the priesthood. That was an amazingly unethical and immoral decision for a high-ranking church official to make."

jobsanger: Pope's Letter Is Smoking Gun

 

[Skeptisch]

It is not a good idea to take advice on how to walk from someone in a wheel chair. The pope and his priestly clique have a big handicap when it comes to heterosexual sex and are probably not equipped to advice on it, morally and practically.

But what do you expect, their CEO, God, the almighty omnipotent boss, messed around with some other guy’s wife and then gave miracle powers to his resulting son only to watch him being nailed to a cross some thirty years later.

About sexual advice and practice in the Muslim world, why not read
“Infidel” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

San Francisco Chronicle Sandip Roy
“'Infidel' is not just a bitter manifesto against genital mutilation and holy terror. With her terrific ear for dialogue and her fine eye for detail, it's at times more like "Little Women" under the shade of the talal tree.”

Love that logo:

 

[sandandfoam]

Like many of you, I recently learned through RF debates that the prophet Mohammed consummated his marriage to his child bride Aisha, by the time she was only 9-years-old.

To present this as a fact is at very best misleading.

 

[aymen amir]

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Like many of you, I recently learned through RF debates that the prophet Mohammed consummated his marriage to his child bride Aisha, by the time she was only 9-years-old.

we don't know that for sure so please try to be more careful when throwing
info about people you don't know

 

[Skeptisch]

we don't know that for sure so please try to be more careful when throwing info about people you don't know

Please give us sources that tell us that the following is wrong:

“The Islamic source materials state that Muhammad proposed marriage to Aisha when she was 6. He assumed her silence constituted her consent. Some 2 to 3 years later, just after he had fled to Medina, he consummated his marriage with her. He was 52 and she was 9. This occurred prior to Aisha’s first menses and by Islam’s legal definition Aisha was still considered a child. Islam teaches that a child enters adulthood at the beginning of puberty. (This is scientifically inaccurate, the onset of puberty does not equal adulthood – see Appendix 3).”

The above is from here:
Muhammad, Aisha, Islam, and Child Brides

 

[sandandfoam]

Answers from a muslim pov have been given to this several times Skeptisch on this very site. your search button works as well as mine so I'll let it to you.

There is beauty in Islam. It is a religion of peace. If you'd prefer to spew hate my friend, no one can stop you. If you want to believe that Muslims are bogeymen then drive on....

 

[301ouncer]

Please give us sources that tell us that the following is wrong:

“The Islamic source materials state that Muhammad proposed marriage to Aisha when she was 6. He assumed her silence constituted her consent. Some 2 to 3 years later, just after he had fled to Medina, he consummated his marriage with her. He was 52 and she was 9. This occurred prior to Aisha’s first menses and by Islam’s legal definition Aisha was still considered a child. Islam teaches that a child enters adulthood at the beginning of puberty. (This is scientifically inaccurate, the onset of puberty does not equal adulthood – see Appendix 3).”

The above is from here:
Muhammad, Aisha, Islam, and Child Brides

Was going to reply with authentic sources but can not even be bothered anymore. Lead yourselves to the invitable end. enjoy. I will never pity them because they brought unto themselves.

Dont bring the vile of these pedo prists of christians and attribute them to the best of every man, woman in the whole of mankind ever lived.

Keep your vile in your own houses. thanks.

 

[aymen amir]

Please give us sources that tell us that the following is wrong:

“The Islamic source materials state that Muhammad proposed marriage to Aisha when she was 6. He assumed her silence constituted her consent. Some 2 to 3 years later, just after he had fled to Medina, he consummated his marriage with her. He was 52 and she was 9. This occurred prior to Aisha’s first menses and by Islam’s legal definition Aisha was still considered a child. Islam teaches that a child enters adulthood at the beginning of puberty. (This is scientifically inaccurate, the onset of puberty does not equal adulthood – see Appendix 3).”

The above is from here:
Muhammad, Aisha, Islam, and Child Brides

Muslims on this forum addressed this subject too many times so just look up a few threads and you ill get some answers

 

[301ouncer]

Salamu alikum aymen how are you akhi. You know what I am out. Let whatever comes come.

 

[301ouncer]

Muslims on this forum addressed this subject too many times so just look up a few threads and you ill get some answers

Brother aymen. Do you remember the vile cartoons of the messenger muhammed salahllahi alaihi wasalm?

This exposing of the 1000s of cases of pedo prists of rape, subjudication of kids into performing vile sexual acts, Guess what? was a just retribution and just reward for their vile dishonouring from the All mighty majistic.

AllahamduALLAH they got what they deserved for the shame brought upon them.

Their church attendence is going down, down, down, since then.

 

[aymen amir]

Brother aymen. Do you remember the vile cartoons of the messenger muhammed salahllahi alaihi wasalm?

This exposing of the 1000s of cases of pedo prists of rape, subjudication of kids into performing vile sexual acts, Guess what? was a just retribution and just reward for their vile dishonouring from the All mighty majistic.

AllahamduALLAH they got what they deserved for the shame brought upon them.

Their church attendence is going down, down, down, since then.

the problem is that they still try to argue against Mohammed (pbuh) lool

 

[sandandfoam]

the problem is that they still try to argue against Mohammed (pbuh) lool

With respect my friend it is not so.
I greatly admire Islam, I live in a country where this abuse took place and I do not try to argue against the Prophet.

A God who would use little children as a vehicle of retribution is not the Allah I recognize as the God of Islam.

 

[no-body]

Brother aymen. Do you remember the vile cartoons of the messenger muhammed salahllahi alaihi wasalm?

This exposing of the 1000s of cases of pedo prists of rape, subjudication of kids into performing vile sexual acts, Guess what? was a just retribution and just reward for their vile dishonouring from the All mighty majistic.

AllahamduALLAH they got what they deserved for the shame brought upon them.

Their church attendence is going down, down, down, since then.

Let's be clear here: You just said that Allah punished the catholic church through priests sexually abusing living children for some dumb cartoons about a man who is long gone. And you are celebrating this? Jesus.

 

[sonofskeptish]

To present this as a fact is at very best misleading.

But it is fact. You should take some of your own advice (to skeptisch).

 

[sonofskeptish]

Let's be clear here: You just said that Allah punished the catholic church through priests sexually abusing living children for some dumb cartoons about a man who is long gone. And you are celebrating this? Jesus.

Yup, that what he seems to be saying... messed up in so many ways. Interesting that the "punishment" started before the "crime".

 

[Shia Islam]

The problem is that some people just don't want to find the truth, and think that they cant taint the beutiful image of prophet Muhammed. They simply can't.

I have gave the Shia proof that the whole Aysha mariage at the age of 9 is a made up story.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/95717-pedophilia-islam-16.html


Not all Muslims believe in the Sunni narrations. Shia don't believe in these narrations.

Truth is like the gold, the more you scratch it, the more its bright will approve itself.