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Do Mohammed and the Pope provide moral guidance on sex?

sonofskeptish

It is what it is
Not to those Muslims posting here. So you know more about Islam than the Muslims. Congratulations.

Hate fuelled spew depresses me. I'll leave you wallow. I too am out of his thread.

Which muslims... the self-appointed "real" muslims, the so-called muslims or some other form of muslims? How about answering the question... do mohammed's teachings and actions provide moral guidance on sex in modern times?
 
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301ouncer

Well-Known Member
Let's be clear here: You just said that Allah punished the catholic church through priests sexually abusing living children for some dumb cartoons about a man who is long gone. And you are celebrating this? Jesus.

He is not a man long gone. He is very much living around us with his pure and loving teachings.

This discusting sexual abuse was happening for years and years. Lately was covered up by the masters to top it all.

It is not the fault of the creator if men showing off outwardly as holy and perfect from their own choosing, decide to force their will unto venruable kids.

It was only with the will of the majistic creator exposed the rotten foundations as a gift to us muslims for the unwarranted cartoons. And constant attacks against our woman, messengers, holy book, etc. Thank you very much.

As I said earlier Homosexuality will lead to WMD destructive sex and this is just its ugly face.

Kids got abused and sexually forced to undertake these actions? well sorry this is called collatroal damage of WMD sex. Just as a blind eye is turned when muslims childeren get boldozed under their own homes.

I feel sorry for these kids or adults I pray they become muslims.

Truth hurts but has to be said.

This is my opinion.
 
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xkatz

Well-Known Member
Let's be clear here: You just said that Allah punished the catholic church through priests sexually abusing living children for some dumb cartoons about a man who is long gone. And you are celebrating this? Jesus.

And I don't think the people who made those drawings were even Catholic, let alone Christian :shrug:
 
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301ouncer

Well-Known Member
the problem is that they still try to argue against Mohammed (pbuh) lool

let them say what they want. will not make a tiny winee bit of difference. everything now is clear. everything is getting exposed. everything is making alot more sense.

check this out brother aymen: Muhammed in ISAIAH. AMAZING.

ISAIAH 42
Verse 1
Behold!....My Elect One....I put MY SPIRIT upon him; He brings justice to the GENTILES.
Verse 10
Sing the LORD a NEW SONG, his praise from the ends of the earth....
Verse 11
Let the wilderness and cities lift their voice, villages KEDAR inhabits... (KEDAR = ARABIA = MUHAMMAD)

:D

Check this one out too brother:

He shall stir up his zeal lik a man of war.
He shall cry out, yes, shout aloud (Allahu Akbar God is the greatest, it's usually shouted);
He shall prevail against his enemies.

:D
 
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301ouncer

Well-Known Member
let me just expand on this beloved brother aymen while I am here with you.: Muhammed in ISAIAH. AMAZING.

ISAIAH 42
Verse 1
Behold!....My Elect One....I put MY SPIRIT upon him; He brings justice to the GENTILES. (Elect One out of all the messengers pbut)

Verse 10
Sing the LORD a NEW SONG, his praise from the ends of the earth.... (How Quran is recited like a song, New Song = New Shariah)

Verse 11
Let the wilderness and cities lift their voice, villages KEDAR inhabits...(Minerats call out for prayer)

(KEDAR - son of Ismeal = ARABIA = MUHAMMAD)

:D

Check this one out too brother:

He shall stir up his zeal lik a man of war. (How they accuse of war mongerer, warlord)

He shall cry out, yes, shout aloud (Allahu Akbar God is the greatest, it's usually shouted 5 times a day);

He shall prevail against his enemies.( final victory to islam and muslims)

:D Amazing sign brohter.
 

I.S.L.A.M617

Illuminatus
The Pope would be the last person I ask any kind of sex-involved question. If it's not four feet tall and holding candles for a priest, I'm not sure he quite knows what to do with it...
 

no-body

Well-Known Member
He is not a man long gone. He is very much living around us with his pure and loving teachings.

This discusting sexual abuse was happening for years and years. Lately was covered up by the masters to top it all.

It is not the fault of the creator if men showing off outwardly as holy and perfect from their own choosing, decide to force their will unto venruable kids.

You just said you celebrate the child abuse and the damage it has done to the Church as the will of Allah. That is some sick S right there, I don't care what your religion is.

It was only with the will of the majistic creator exposed the rotten foundations as a gift to us muslims for the unwarranted cartoons. And constant attacks against our woman, messengers, holy book, etc. Thank you very much.

As I said earlier Homosexuality will lead to WMD destructive sex and this is just its ugly face.

Kids got abused and sexually forced to undertake these actions? well sorry this is called collatroal damage of WMD sex. Just as a blind eye is turned when muslims childeren get boldozed under their own homes.

I feel sorry for these kids or adults I pray they become muslims.

Truth hurts but has to be said.

This is my opinion.
Holy moly. To misquote Ghandi... I like your Muhammad but I dislike your Muslims, they are so unlike your Muhammad. As soon as I read one statement from a Muslim I realize Islam is not and never will be for me. You are so like fundamentalist Christians it's not even funny. The type of people that are ruining the world today.
 
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gnostic

The Lost One
sonofskeptish said:
Do Mohammed and the Pope provide moral guidance on sex?
No, because religious leaders have the tendency to be both hypocrites and megalomaniacs...for obvious reasons.

It would seem to me that the Abrahamic god is basically a rapist and child molester. The religious leaders are reflection of so-called one-god deity.
 
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Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Do religious figures like Mohammed and the Pope provide moral guidance on the topic of sex that their followers claim?

Like many of you, I recently learned through RF debates that the prophet Mohammed consummated his marriage to his child bride Aisha, by the time she was only 9-years-old.

And if you’ve been watching the news, you’ll know that the Pope himself was/is involved in covering-up the child sex abuse done by his priests.

Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'| News | This is London

While some Muslims and Catholics have expressed their disgust with these actions, others aggressively defend their religious leaders... often while at the same time condemning sexual relations by two loving, consenting adults of the same sex.

Does anyone else wonder what on earth is going on here, and what the impact is of looking to religious leaders like Mohammed and the Pope for moral guidance on the subject of sex?

Response: I don't know much about the Pope, but as far as Prophet Muhammad (saw) is concerned, the prophet is very moral.

On the issue with Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her), and her marriage with the Prophet, there is nothing immoral about it. The prophet did not desire Aisha, but was fulfilling a dream or vision sent to him by Allah(swt). Marriage in islam is not based on sex, but is a sacred bond, from a man's perspective, to protect and care for women.

It is clear that despite her young age, Aisha was an exceptional individual, who would grow to become a great leader and play a great role in bringing unity amongst the muslims. As such, Allah(saw) preferred Aisha to be with Muhammad to fulfill that prophecy. Nothing else.

As for the consummation of his marriage to Aisha at 9, again there is nothing immoral. While consummate means sex in marriage, it also means to complete, or perfect. Thus when the prophet consummated his marriage, it does not mean to have sex, but rather that the stipulations and favors written in the marriage contract at age 6 were completed at age 9. The other hadiths relating the same story clearly demonstrate so. Other hadiths will say that he wrote the contract when she was 6, but she was taken to his house as a bride at 9. Not sex. Naturally, a person who marries has a wedding ceremony, and the couple lives together. This did not happen with Aisha until she turned 9, thus when it happened, her marriage was finally consummated, meaning that it was finally completed, when the marriage ceremony and them living together finally took place.

Thus Muhammad's actions were not immoral, but were very moral, as he was fulfilling a vision sent to him by Allah (swt), which is to love and protect Aisha through marriage, because she would grow to become one of the leaders of the muslim community, not for any sexual reasons.
 
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gnostic

The Lost One
Not about sex?

It is a woman's duty to have sex with her husband and obey them, sounds like sex subservient (sex slave). If a wife disobey beat them, until she agree to have sex.

The moral of Islam is to have women cover up to avoid rape, and if she get rape anyway, blame the women for not wearing enough. It just show how little restraints Muslim men have.

Then what's this sick dream that martyrs get 72 virgins as reward in Paradise?

Delusion of sex perverts, if you ask me.
 
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Skeptisch

Well-Known Member
Not about sex?
Regarding sex with prepubescent children, Abu-Ala’ Maududi states:
"Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl at this age but it is permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur’an has held as permissible." (Maududi, volume 5, p. 620, note 13, emphasis added)

It is clear: Muslim men can engage in sex with prepubescent children!
Muhammad, Aisha, Islam, and Child Brides
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Not about sex?

It is a woman's duty to have sex with her husband and obey them, sounds like sex subservient (sex slave). If a wife disobey beat them, until she agree to have sex.

The moral of Islam is to have women cover up to avoid rape, and if she get rape anyway, blame the women for not wearing enough. It just show how little restraints Muslim men have.

Then what's this sick dream that martyrs get 72 virgins as reward in Paradise?

Delusion of sex perverts, if you ask me.

Response: None of which can be supported by the qur'an or sunnah. Delusion of a non-muslim, if you ask me.
 

Skeptisch

Well-Known Member
Response: None of which can be supported by the qur'an or sunnah. Delusion of a non-muslim, if you ask me.
5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:
And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).
 

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
Response: None of which can be supported by the qur'an or sunnah. Delusion of a non-muslim, if you ask me.

seriously muslims, Why you sitting with people when you know very well their intentions?

Linking the catholic prists to Muhammed saw is not a clear sign to you muslims?

If you keep sitting with them in this topic then you are one of them as mentioned in the Quran.

Please do not sit.
 
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