Do people understand the trinity doctrine?

[Desert Snake]

Pure baloney.

The Jewish Messiah was from the Jews - ONE GOD PEOPLE - thus the Messiah is a HUMAN from the line of David - to call the Messiah a God would be total sacrilege to these ONE God people. Ask them.

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There is no ''them'', in this context. Judaism is a different religion from Xianity. If you mean, ask non-Xians if Xian theology is correct, why would I do that? You seem to think that it is relevant, it isn't.

 

[Ingledsva]

There is no ''them'', in this context. Judaism is a different religion from Xianity. If you mean, ask non-Xians if Xian theology is correct, why would I do that? You seem to think that it is relevant, it isn't.

Jesus claimed to be the Jewish Messiah - that makes him a human - not a God, - as the Jewish messiah is human.

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[Desert Snake]

Jesus claimed to be the Jewish Messiah - that makes him a human - not a God, - as the Jewish messiah is human.

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Humans ascend into the air? Humans don't have human fathers? Humans baptize differently from humans, ie John, and the Jewish Mikveh, //?

This is clearly, not a average human. You don't have to believe the narrative, but you cannot create your own, and then tell me I'm not aware of what xianity purports.

 

[Ingledsva]

Humans ascend into the air? Humans don't have human fathers? Humans baptize differently from humans, ie John, and the Jewish Mikveh, //?

This is clearly, not a average human. You don't have to believe the narrative, but you cannot create your own, and then tell me I'm not aware of what xianity purports.

Again you are talking later added crap.

The Jewish Messiah is supposed to have power from God - he brings about the END - and final Judgment. He is a special human chosen by God.

Jesus tells us he does nothing - his Father does it all.

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[Desert Snake]

Again you are talking later added crap.

The Jewish Messiah is supposed to have power from God - he brings about the END - and final Judgment. He is a special human chosen by God.

Jesus tells us he does nothing - his Father does it all.

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So, writing your own narrative. I'm not interested in your fictional revision/story of the Bible.

 

[Ingledsva]

So, writing your own narrative. I'm not interested in your fictional revision/story of the Bible.

The fiction is the God junk the later Christians came up with.

It is funny that they claim the Jewish Messiah, and then warp him in to a sacrilegious God.

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[Desert Snake]

The fiction is the God junk the later Christians came up with.

It is funny that they claim the Jewish Messiah, and then warp him in to a sacrilegious God.

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Not sure why this ''matters'' to you. If you don't believe in a religion, great, but that doesn't mean that those aren't the tenets of the religion.

 

[Ingledsva]

Not sure why this ''matters'' to you. If you don't believe in a religion, great, but that doesn't mean that those aren't the tenets of the religion.

As shown over and over, they are not actually in the Bible.

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[Redemptionsong]

As shown over and over, they are not actually in the Bible.

That's where you're wrong. You may not see God in Christ, but the message of the New Testament reveals that God has come to dwell amongst his people, and dwell within them. Redemption is not achieved by the works of man, but by the grace of God.

 

[Redemptionsong]

An unrepentant sinner feels that he/she has no need of a Saviour. Keeping God at a distance is fine when you don't need a Saviour.

For sinners stuck in a mud-hole that they can't extricate themselves from, there is only one Saviour - God. The way of salvation is to have your sin paid for. Sinners can't pay because they don't have the means. So God pays for them.
When God pays, it is in fact the Father asking the Son to pay. The Son agrees. The payment is made. The Father rewards the Son.

Who are we, the repentant sinners who have been adopted into God's family, to thank? Do we thank the Father and ignore the only begotten Son? No. We thank them both - the Son for paying and the Father for sending him.

It is through the Son that we know the Father.

 

[Ingledsva]

That's where you're wrong. You may not see God in Christ, but the message of the New Testament reveals that God has come to dwell amongst his people, and dwell within them. Redemption is not achieved by the works of man, but by the grace of God.

We have shown over and over, with all verses you folks throw out there, that the Bible NOWHERE says there is a trinity, or that Jesus is God.

Nor did Jesus teach ANYWHERE that he was a God, or part of any trinity.

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[moriningstar]

Actually if you read it in the original languages - there is no trinity doctrine in the Bible, - and Jesus never claims to be God.

Christianity hijacked Hebrew text, - misunderstood, or mistranslated it, - and ran with the erroneous results. Such as claiming Isaiah is about Jesus' future birth, rather than what it is actually about, - God giving Isaiah a son as a SIGN that he is with them in the battle.

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....or even the fall of the (ha)satan. Never happened according to the original text snd the myth of Jesus never fulfills prophecy. Dispite what Christian doctrine says and in the face of their bible/s.

 

[moriningstar]

An unrepentant sinner feels that he/she has no need of a Saviour. Keeping God at a distance is fine when you don't need a Saviour.

For sinners stuck in a mud-hole that they can't extricate themselves from, there is only one Saviour - God. The way of salvation is to have your sin paid for. Sinners can't pay because they don't have the means. So God pays for them.
When God pays, it is in fact the Father asking the Son to pay. The Son agrees. The payment is made. The Father rewards the Son.

Who are we, the repentant sinners who have been adopted into God's family, to thank? Do we thank the Father and ignore the only begotten Son? No. We thank them both - the Son for paying and the Father for sending him.

It is through the Son that we know the Father.

...and yet, no_one can name a reason WHY they believe in the son.

 

[Muffled]

Again, this is about the doctrine.

Then I would have to say that I believe the doctrine is not understandble because it is illogical.

 

[Redemptionsong]

...and yet, no_one can name a reason WHY they believe in the son.

What are you talking about?

The reason I believe in the Son, Jesus Christ, is because he has demonstrated his love towards me. My faith is a response to his love. What greater act of love is there, than for a man to lay down his life for his friends?

 

[JFish123]

Sadly in islam, Muhammad himself didn't understand it so any muslim today doesn't because their leader did not, even though the bible spells it out clearly. Even jehovahs witnesses do not as there misled by the watchtower society with their gross rewriting of the bible

 

[Ingledsva]

What are you talking about?

The reason I believe in the Son, Jesus Christ, is because he has demonstrated his love towards me. My faith is a response to his love. What greater act of love is there, than for a man to lay down his life for his friends?

Except that you don't actually know that any of the mythic parts of the Bible actually happened.

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[Redemptionsong]

Except that you don't actually know that any of the mythic parts of the Bible actually happened.

Maybe you'd like to tell me which parts of the Bible you think are mythic and which are not.

I believe that the scriptures are God-breathed. No one part is more believable than another. They are all inspired by the same God.

It is possible to support biblical accounts with extra-biblical evidence, but the best evidence is found in the Bible itself. Such beauty cannot be the invention of man.

 

[Ingledsva]

Maybe you'd like to tell me which parts of the Bible you think are mythic and which are not.

I believe that the scriptures are God-breathed. No one part is more believable that another. They are all inspired by the same God.

It is possible to support biblical accounts with extra-biblical evidence, but the best evidence is found in the Bible itself. Such beauty cannot be the invention of man.

I shouldn't have to tell you.

Obviously Jesus could be real, - however, miracles, rising from the grave and walking around with other risen corpses, - is myth.

There is no proof for any of the mythic material.

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[Desert Snake]

I shouldn't have to tell you.

Obviously Jesus could be real, - however, miracles, rising from the grave and walking around with other risen corpses, - is myth.

There is no proof for any of the mythic material.

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Great. That doesn't mean that you will know what is ''truth'' in that narrative which you are claiming as fiction.