From your point of view you cannot judge another? But, from your POV Christians can?
So, you will not cast the first stone but Christians (from their POV) can?
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Do the teachings of Jesus allow us to judge?
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So, you will not cast the first stone but Christians (from their POV) can?
Melancholy
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It isn't up to anyone to judge another, unless of course you are in a position of authority (the law etc).
As christians you are meant to love your neighbour and help them, not judge them.
As christians you are meant to love your neighbour and help them, not judge them.
Muffled
Jesus in me
doppelgänger;1055790 said:
According to Paul His flesh does battle against his will. This is laid out in the previous chapter. I would put it this way, the tempttion to sin is present as a law of the flesh but our will is not to give in to the temptation. Paul also talks about "the wages of sin is death." It follows then that whereever sin abides death abides also.
Muffled
Jesus in me
ROFL!
Now you are talking about a different kind of judgement. If we find a brother in sin, it is our duty to encourage him to escape it. Granted there are some Christians that tend to think this is a license to criticize but I don't see criticism as good practice.On the other hand if a person proclaims himself a Christian and loves sin, he is acting anti-thetically to his profession and the profession is probably worthless. Such a person we can judge even though he calls himself a Christian.
gnostic
The Lost One
I would be great if someone would supply the relevant verses.
From what I recall in Jesus' teaching about not judging other, I also recall he mention somewhere about not persecuting others. These 2 teachings must be related; they probably are, but I don't remember. Judging others can sometimes lead to persecution, so I am more concern with this than to simple criticism.
Past history have showed that Christians have failed in heeding this, ie of not persecuting others. When Christianity was in infancy, it was the one being persecuted, but once they wield some powers, some have completely ignored Jesus' statement of not persecuting others.
From what I recall in Jesus' teaching about not judging other, I also recall he mention somewhere about not persecuting others. These 2 teachings must be related; they probably are, but I don't remember. Judging others can sometimes lead to persecution, so I am more concern with this than to simple criticism.
Past history have showed that Christians have failed in heeding this, ie of not persecuting others. When Christianity was in infancy, it was the one being persecuted, but once they wield some powers, some have completely ignored Jesus' statement of not persecuting others.
gnomon
Well-Known Member
It is in the very nature of humanity to Judge. Why single out the Christians? We judge when we decide who it is we fall in love with, for example. Did Jesus address this all important issue?
The speck and log parable has been beaten to death by too many individuals who do not truly understand it.
In other words, I suggest you actually read it.
Sola'lor
LDSUJC
Agreed. Judgements are vital in our everday desicion making process. If the scripture is read correctly is tells us not to judge unrighteouly. It is perfectly correct for us to make judgements.
McBell
Unbound
Num 35:24-25
Then the congregation shall judge between the slayer and the revenger of blood according to these judgments:
And the congregation shall deliver the slayer out of the hand of the revenger of blood, and the congregation shall restore him to the city of his refuge, whither he was fled: and he shall abide in it unto the death of the high priest, which was anointed with the holy oil.
Then the congregation shall judge between the slayer and the revenger of blood according to these judgments:
And the congregation shall deliver the slayer out of the hand of the revenger of blood, and the congregation shall restore him to the city of his refuge, whither he was fled: and he shall abide in it unto the death of the high priest, which was anointed with the holy oil.
gnomon
Well-Known Member
Can you put this into any context. Quite often I find members mentioning Jesus and Christianity then quoting an Hebraic text.
What does that have to do with anything? Even early Christian theologians such as Marcian dismissed such comparisons.
McBell
Unbound
It is flat out saying to judge, something certain members of RF claim that we are commanded not to do.Can you put this into any context. Quite often I find members mentioning Jesus and Christianity then quoting an Hebraic text.
What does that have to do with anything? Even early Christian theologians such as Marcian dismissed such comparisons.
gnomon
Well-Known Member
Really?
Who is the slayer?
Who is the avenger?
At most you provided one simple text among a Hebraic tradition which we must understand culturally among the semitic tribes at the time?
My question is how does this relate to Jesus?
McBell
Unbound
I see your point.
You are right, the verses in question are moot to the thread Title.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
A nice way of posting your hatred and misunderstanding. Kudos but no frubals.
logician
Well-Known Member
It's a myth.
gnostic
The Lost One
I can agree with that. I think "not judging others" also mean "not persecuting others", another of Jesus' teaching.sola'lor said:
Compassion means more than simply tolerating others. It is more about understanding others. Tolerating and understanding are 2 things. I think the later is better than the former.
I agreed that judgement can and should be made. The problem is how and the reason why it is made. If it is based solely on the color of the skin, gender or sexual orientation, then that can lead to being biased, and that may lead into persecution.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I recently judged a person as not being a Christian even though he was studying to become an Episcopalian priest. He refused to aknowledge that his homosexuality was a sin. The truth is that he never asked Jesus to be his Lord and Savior and he wanted no part of being saved from his sin. He simply wanted to have Jesus approve his sin (Something that God will never do) and stated that Jesus dieing for his sins meant that he could do whatever he wanted to do. As Paul says:
Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?8 and why not (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), Let us do evil, that good may come? whose condemnation is just.
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Rom 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. We who died to sin, how shall we any longer live therein?
I am always amazed at Christians who are not under the law, make so many laws for others to be under!
Again I am confused, forgiven Christians, seem to do the majority of judgement and hand picking the Judges to judge others? Go figure!
I sometimes wonder? Didn't their God/Jesus tell them to go spread the gospel/goodnews of the coming Kingdom? And they spend so much time pointing out others sins??????
Shalom
Again I am confused, forgiven Christians, seem to do the majority of judgement and hand picking the Judges to judge others? Go figure!
I sometimes wonder? Didn't their God/Jesus tell them to go spread the gospel/goodnews of the coming Kingdom? And they spend so much time pointing out others sins??????
Shalom