Do They Teach Anything In Institutes of Higher Learning?

[esmith]

I am sure it is.

You claim that your education came from life, but that is true of everyone.

Yes everyone learns from life, but all do not learn from life because they are protected from it.
Failure is one of the more important teaching experiences in life, but are today's parents willing to let the child fail?
Look at some of the idea being fostered now to non-adults.
There are no winners or loser, everyone gets a trophy.
No consequences from making a wrong decision
If a person disagrees with your political ideas they are evil (very prominent among today's left)
Others peoples opinion of you is more important that your opinion of yourself..
One must live by others expectations vice their own expectations.
Success is overrated.

 

[youknowme]

Yes everyone learns from life, but all do not learn from life because they are protected from it.
Failure is one of the more important teaching experiences in life, but are today's parents willing to let the child fail?
Look at some of the idea being fostered now to non-adults.
There are no winners or loser, everyone gets a trophy.
No consequences from making a wrong decision
If a person disagrees with your political ideas they are evil (very prominent among today's left)
Others peoples opinion of you is more important that your opinion of yourself..
One must live by others expectations vice their own expectations.
Success is overrated.

Can you prove any of those claims?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Yes everyone learns from life, but all do not learn from life because they are protected from it.

In what way?

Failure is one of the more important teaching experiences in life, but are today's parents willing to let the child fail?
Look at some of the idea being fostered now to non-adults.
There are no winners or loser, everyone gets a trophy.

I keep hearing this said by people, but I've never actually heard of a clear-cut, real world example of such a thing.

If a person disagrees with your political ideas they are evil (very prominent among today's left)

I find it's far, far, FAR more prominent among the right.

Others peoples opinion of you is more important that your opinion of yourself..

I'm not sure where this idea came from.

One must live by others expectations vice their own expectations.

Same as the above.

Success is overrated.

Again, these are all vague, generalized talking points used (generally) by right-wingers to denigrate the left and the so-called "snowflake generation", but I never actually hear of any actual examples of such thinking being enforced in any way. Can you please provide concrete examples of these kinds of thoughts being put into action today?

 

[LuisDantas]

That is not the crux of the OP.

Actually, it is.

 

[LuisDantas]

I'm not sure BUT why are the GOP and their supporters so hung up about her?

I don't quite know, but that has become predictable. They did the exact same thing with Obama and Hillary, constantly seeing some form of personality cult where there was none.

Maybe it is some form of projection from their own behavior and myths of "self-made men". Or maybe it is just craving for a convenient target that might conceivably be discredited, thereby carrying with it all those bothersome noisy voices. Then again, it may be the simple crude satisfaction of having someone to try to insult and discredit.

If she was a loser you'd be ignoring (or even encouraging her) but she's not and you're trying to throw muck at her in a constant barage of non-issues.

Which is exactly what happened with Obama and Hillary. Remember the tan suit scandal? Remember how Beghazi keeps being thrown at Hillary's reputation years after having been exposed as a non-issue?

The right in the USA is a weird bird. Any day now they will lose the ability to even believe what they say themselves, if the current trends continue. They are in a direct course towards continued, permanent shrouds of self-inflicted delusion.

 

[ecco]

Yep, your all the same.
Take a look at your institutes of higher learning and tell me they are not a liberal/socialist mecca who couldn't poor **** out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel

Higher education?

I learned the difference between "your" and "you're" in the second grade.

 

[esmith]

Can you prove any of those claims?

can you prove that they are not true.
You see I have presented something, to challenge it you have to provide facts that I'm wrong. This idea seems to be the go-to plan with your group of people, so I'm using it.

 

[youknowme]

can you prove that they are not true.

Trying to shift the burden of proof to a negative claim does not prove your claims. Either you have evidence to support your claims or you are talking out your back side.

 

[esmith]

Trying to shift the burden of proof to a negative claim does not prove your claims. Either you have evidence to support your claims or you are talking out your back side.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes everyone learns from life, but all do not learn from life because they are protected from it.
Failure is one of the more important teaching experiences in life, but are today's parents willing to let the child fail?
Look at some of the idea being fostered now to non-adults.
There are no winners or loser, everyone gets a trophy.
No consequences from making a wrong decision
If a person disagrees with your political ideas they are evil (very prominent among today's left)
Others peoples opinion of you is more important that your opinion of yourself..
One must live by others expectations vice their own expectations.
Success is overrated.

At the university level, particularly with more advanced degrees,
not everyone gets a trophy. Competition can be fierce.
As is said there....
The fighting is never so vicious as when the stakes are so low.

 

[youknowme]

You know if you simply acknowledged that they are just your personal opinions and that you don't have any actual evidence to support them, I could understand that. It is OK to have opinions, you just need to understand that they are opinions, and you should understand what that means.

Not everything can be proven with some type of study, but you should still understand the faults and limits of a personal opinion, especially when those opinions are ill informed. However, your attempt to shift the burden of proof to a negative claim tells me that the "education" you got from "life" missed a few things.

 

[Shad]

I keep hearing this said by people, but I've never actually heard of a clear-cut, real world example of such a thing.

Learning to ride a bike. Children fall off, cant produce the speed required for balance, do not know how to steer to maintain balance and speed, etc, etc. Those that learned to ride a bike faced a number of failures along they way. They learned from the failures themselves such as turning too sharp while also learning how to face and overcome their failures. A lot of this is done by the child on their own accord.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again"

Parent can created and enforce standards. If those standards are low the child may develop into an adult that is not prepared to face reality as the coddling is not longer present. For example parents that accept an C average as acceptable versus an A average. Chances are the later will do better as an adult than the C student. Participation trophies can mask failure with emotion gratification which treats failure or minimum effort as if something to be proud of.

 

[esmith]

You know if you simply acknowledged that they are just your personal opinions and that you don't have any actual evidence to support them, I could understand that. It is OK to have opinions, you just need to understand that they are opinions, and you should understand what that means.

Not everything can be proven with some type of study, but you should still understand the faults and limits of a personal opinion, especially when those opinions are ill informed. However, your attempt to shift the burden of proof to a negative claim tells me that the "education" you got from "life" missed a few things.

If I do not supply a link to support what I am saying then it is an opinion. I have always worked that way.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Learning to ride a bike. Children fall off, cant produce the speed required for balance, do not know how to steer to maintain balance and speed, etc, etc. Those that learned to ride a bike faced a number of failures along they way. They learned from the failures themselves such as turning too sharp while also learning how to face and overcome their failures. A lot of this is done by the child on their own accord.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again"

Parent can created and enforce standards. If those standards are low the child may develop into an adult that is not prepared to face reality as the coddling is not longer present. For example parents that accept an C average as acceptable versus an A average. Chances are the later will do better as an adult than the C student. Participation trophies can mask failure with emotion gratification which treats failure or minimum effort as if something to be proud of.

That’s fine and all, but to respond to @ImmortalFlame ’s request for examples, you would have to show an actual study that reveals that children of “liberals” have a greatly decreased rate of learning to ride bikes. Or that their grades are poorer than children of conservatives.
Because @esmith ‘s supposition is that liberals aren’t letting their kids experience the “life of hard knocks”, and coddle their kids too much: thus making the kids somehow “weaker”. But there is no evidence of this.

Even when they do hand out “participation” awards, they still give the blue ribbon to only one kid. And the kids (even the liberal ones) know that the participation award is only good for bird-cage lining at best.
The whole idea that liberals are raising their kids with weakness is a strawman POS.

 

[esmith]

That’s fine and all, but to respond to @ImmortalFlame ’s request for examples, you would have to show an actual study that reveals that children of “liberals” have a greatly decreased rate of learning to ride bikes. Or that their grades are poorer than children of conservatives.
Because @esmith ‘s supposition is that liberals aren’t letting their kids experience the “life of hard knocks”, and coddle their kids too much: thus making the kids somehow “weaker”. But there is no evidence of this.

Even when they do hand out “participation” awards, they still give the blue ribbon to only one kid. And the kids (even the liberal ones) know that the participation award is only good for bird-cage lining at best.
The whole idea that liberals are raising their kids with weakness is a strawman POS.

I don't really recall saying that only liberals were coddling their kids. Is it possible that you construed that I said that due to my political leanings?

 

[ecco]

can you prove that they are not true.
You see I have presented something, to challenge it you have to provide facts that I'm wrong. This idea seems to be the go-to plan with your group of people, so I'm using it.

You have it backward and I suspect you know it.

When you make assertions, it is your burden to support them when questioned.

 

[youknowme]

If I do not supply a link to support what I am saying then it is an opinion. I have always worked that way.

So you are willing to admit that your claims are not evidence based and could potentially be wrong?

 

[esmith]

You have it backward and I suspect you know it.

When you make assertions, it is your burden to support them when questioned.

No those were opinions and some backed up with fact. But since it was mostly opinions I did not do so.


However,
Success Is Overrated
Success is overrated.
https://nypost.com/2017/11/14/rise-in-teen-suicide-connected-to-social-media-popularity-study/

 

[Daemon Sophic]

I don't really recall saying that only liberals were coddling their kids. Is it possible that you construed that I said that due to my political leanings?

That, plus your OP, plus this comment from you around post #131
“. ↑. Take a look at your institutes of higher learning and tell me they are not a liberal/socialist mecca who couldn't poor **** out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel “

....and most recently at post #141 you couldn’t help but slip in another erroneous dig (i.e. lie) against the left, “If a person disagrees with your political ideas they are evil (very prominent among today's left)”

 

[esmith]

That, plus your OP, plus this comment from you around post #131
“. ↑. Take a look at your institutes of higher learning and tell me they are not a liberal/socialist mecca who couldn't poor **** out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel “

....and most recently at post #141 you couldn’t help but slip in another erroneous dig (i.e. lie) against the left, “If a person disagrees with your political ideas they are evil (very prominent among today's left)”

Is having certain political beliefs raciest?
Is being a raciest evil?