Do They Teach Anything In Institutes of Higher Learning?

[Daemon Sophic]

QUOTE="esmith, post: 5960237, member: 24621"]Is having certain political beliefs raciest? Uh. “Racist”?
Not necessarily, but they certainly can. If say, your political beliefs include genocide, or separation of services or populations based upon race, then absolutely one’s politcal beliefs are by definition racist.

Is being a raciest evil? “Evil” isn’t a word that I use outside of a joke most of the time. Nobody believes that they are evil......except a few dangerously insane individuals.
Racism doesn’t mean much more than a blinding level of ignorance or a terribly biased upbringing. It means that you generalize about an entire population of people based upon an extremely limited bit of experience with those people.
If I were to say “evil”, it would be when you connect that ignorance with power and a desire to act upon it. (this is a recurring theme).
A dude in a KKK hood and robe is just a stupid twit. A whole group of them with torches, rope and guns, killing a man for being a different color than them = evil [/QUOTE

 

[esmith]

Ok I concede....
done with this thread.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Learning to ride a bike. Children fall off, cant produce the speed required for balance, do not know how to steer to maintain balance and speed, etc, etc. Those that learned to ride a bike faced a number of failures along they way. They learned from the failures themselves such as turning too sharp while also learning how to face and overcome their failures. A lot of this is done by the child on their own accord.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again"

Parent can created and enforce standards. If those standards are low the child may develop into an adult that is not prepared to face reality as the coddling is not longer present. For example parents that accept an C average as acceptable versus an A average. Chances are the later will do better as an adult than the C student. Participation trophies can mask failure with emotion gratification which treats failure or minimum effort as if something to be proud of.

I meant an example of enforced coddling of children, i.e the "participation trophies" attitude that institutes of learning are accused of having these days compared with the old days. Can you give me an example of that?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No those were opinions and some backed up with fact. But since it was mostly opinions I did not do so.


However,
Success Is Overrated

This is just an opinion piece by one person about why they believe the idea of "success" is often measured by the expectation of other people rather than personal satisfaction or significance. It's hardly evidence of a widespread belief that success isn't aspirational.

Success is overrated.

This article is more or less the same thing written in a different way.

https://nypost.com/2017/11/14/rise-in-teen-suicide-connected-to-social-media-popularity-study/

What does this study have to do with this generation being coddled? If anything, it means social pressure is far greater for them than for previous generations.

 

[Shad]

I meant an example of enforced coddling of children, i.e the "participation trophies" attitude that institutes of learning are accused of having these days compared with the old days. Can you give me an example of that?

Schools without AP classes for one.

 

[Shad]

That’s fine and all, but to respond to @ImmortalFlame ’s request for examples, you would have to show an actual study that reveals that children of “liberals” have a greatly decreased rate of learning to ride bikes. Or that their grades are poorer than children of conservatives.
Because @esmith ‘s supposition is that liberals aren’t letting their kids experience the “life of hard knocks”, and coddle their kids too much: thus making the kids somehow “weaker”. But there is no evidence of this.

I do not need to show a study. You are setting an arbitrary standard. No child left behind and every child succeeds policy is evidence enough.

Even when they do hand out “participation” awards, they still give the blue ribbon to only one kid. And the kids (even the liberal ones) know that the participation award is only good for bird-cage lining at best.

Not when they are young.

The whole idea that liberals are raising their kids with weakness is a strawman POS.

I do not think it is a liberal issue. I think it is an education issue which goes beyond politics.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Schools without AP classes for one.

Except such schools have always existed since AP classes were first introduced, and the number of students taking AP courses increases every year. Where is the coddling?

 

[Shad]

Except such schools have always existed since AP classes were first introduced,

Wrong. Some schools do not have any AP classes. I myself had to advocate for such classes in a school I attended.

and the number of students taking AP courses increases every year. Where is the coddling?

You point was made on an assumption which was wrong. Next!

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Wrong. Some schools do not have any AP classes. I myself had to advocate for such classes in a school I attended.

Yes, and such schools have always existed. So how is schools not having AP classes evidence of a modern "coddling" of children?

You point was made on an assumption which was wrong. Next!

What are you talking about? I asked for an example of enforced coddling of children; "i.e the "participation trophies" attitude that institutes of learning are accused of having these days compared with the old days", and the example you provided was "Schools without AP classes".

Since schools without AP classes have existed as long as AP classes have existed, and the number of students taking AP classes is on the increase, how can some schools not having AP classes be an example of "the "participation trophies" attitude that institutes of learning are accused of having these days compared with the old days"?

 

[Jose Fly]

I'm not sure BUT why are the GOP and their supporters so hung up about her?

Because she personifies many of the things that make the GOP anxious. She's young, a woman, Latino, and a Democratic Socialist.

 

[averageJOE]

Do they teach anything in institutes of higher learning?
Well...the knowledge and skill to perform a heart transplant comes from an institute of higher learning. So there's that.

 

[Shad]

Yes, and such schools have always existed. So how is schools not having AP classes evidence of a modern "coddling" of children?

As it hinder the gifted students by keeping them in the lowest common denominator education system. That is a form of coddling.Grading on a curve is a form of coddling.

What are you talking about? I asked for an example of enforced coddling of children; "i.e the "participation trophies" attitude that institutes of learning are accused of having these days compared with the old days", and the example you provided was "Schools without AP classes".

Yes. Lack of AP classes reflect lowest common denominator curriculum which is the basis of modern education. That is something enforced by policy itself.

You made an assumption all school have AP classes. They do not.

Since schools without AP classes have existed as long as AP classes have existed, and the number of students taking AP classes is on the increase, how can some schools not having AP classes be an example of "the "participation trophies" attitude that institutes of learning are accused of having these days compared with the old days"?

You are adding an arbitrary timeline after the fact.

As AP classes are not uniform across the system as per your own acknowledge that only some school have AP classes. You also ignored "Every Child Succeeds" which was passed only a few years ago. It not "the old days"

You can also look at conservative lecture/speaker circuit such as Berkeley students rioting over falsehoods with no consequences from the school itself. Havard's current legal battles. General "safe space" and trigger warning policies

 

[ImmortalFlame]

As it hinder the gifted students by keeping them in the lowest common denominator education system. That is a form of coddling.Grading on a curve is a form of coddling.

But how is it a modern instance of coddling if it's always been the case since AP systems were introduced?

Yes. Lack of AP classes reflect lowest common denominator curriculum which is the basis of modern education. That is something enforced by policy itself.

But, as I said earlier, more students take AP classes every year, so who is being coddled?

You made an assumption all school have AP classes. They do not.

I never made any such assumption. In fact, in my very first response to you bringing up the fact that some schools don't offer AP courses I explicitly said "such schools have always existed", so you are accusing me of having said something that is the exact opposite of what I have actually been saying.

You are adding an arbitrary timeline after the fact.

No, my initial request was:

"... an example of enforced coddling of children, i.e the "participation trophies" attitude that institutes of learning are accused of having these days compared with the old days. Can you give me an example of that?"

As AP classes are not uniform across the system as per your own acknowledge that only some school have AP classes. You also ignored "Every Child Succeeds" which was passed only a few years ago. It not "the old days"

Because you didn't bring that up when I asked for an example. You brought up AP classes, which are evidence of nothing.

You can also look at conservative lecture/speaker circuit such as Berkeley students rioting over falsehoods with no consequences from the school itself. Havard's current legal battles. General "safe space" and trigger warning policies

Care to give a specific example?