Do We Really Need This Kind of Bigotry?

[dantech]

I honestly don't know how to respond to this. It sounds fairly familiar, but the last time I heard it it was being spoken in German and they pronounced 'Jew' as 'Aryan'. This isolationist point of view is just disguised bigotry. Gotta keep out those impurities, huh?

I thought Judaism was a belief system. So the Nazi's were right when they spoke of 'Jewish blood'?

Right....Pushing my Jewish brothers to marry within Judaism is exactly like gathering up a bunch of people, and sticking them into ovens. :clap

 

[xkatz]

I honestly don't know how to respond to this. It sounds fairly familiar, but the last time I heard it it was being spoken in German and they pronounced 'Jew' as 'Aryan'. This isolationist point of view is just disguised bigotry. Gotta keep out those impurities, huh?

What does Judaism have to do w/ "racial purity"?

 

[Levite]

But she isn't Jewish, she is a Muslim.

No, she is an apostate Jew who is practicing Islam. And I agree that no one should prevent her from doing this, or threaten her with violence, or verbally abuse her, or publicly humiliate her for doing so. But it is Jewish tradition and culture that determine what a Jew's identity is or is not, not the whims of an individual, and certainly not the determinations of non-Jews. And if this woman or those like her want to do what is wrong by the Jewish People, they must live with the knowledge of what they are doing, and must accept the consequences of being ostracized from participation in Jewish society as long as they live in transgression.

 

[Wirey]

Right....Pushing my Jewish brothers to marry within Judaism is exactly like gathering up a bunch of people, and sticking them into ovens. :clap

Considering your Jewish brethern are presently shelling civilians to keep their isolated enclave safe, I'd say we're on the way.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

No, she is an apostate Jew who is practicing Islam.

No she is a Muslim practicing Islam/

But it is Jewish tradition and culture that determine what a Jew's identity is or is not, not the whims of an individual

And that is an imposition upon her own free will and right to association.

And if this woman or those like her want to do what is wrong by the Jewish People, they must live with the knowledge of what they are doing, and must accept the consequences of being ostracized from participation in Jewish society as long as they live in transgression.

She did nothing wrong and committed no transgression, she simply married the man she loves.

 

[metis]

Considering your Jewish brethern are presently shelling civilians to keep their isolated enclave safe, I'd say we're on the way.

So, what do you suggest Israel do to protect its own citizens? Does Hamas have any responsibility, iyo? Are you a pacifist? If not, are you aware that the U.N. projected that roughly 70% of all people killed in wars during the 20th century were civilians?

Israel does not target civilians, and that should be logical to an objective person since the death count would be many times higher if they did.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Wow. So now we are like the people on stormfront.

You said it, I didn't.

What are we even supposed to answer to this?

It is a rather simple question. How is it different?

 

[xkatz]

No she is a Muslim practicing Islam.
And that is an imposition upon her own free will and right to association.

See post #295.

 

[Wirey]

So, what do you suggest Israel do to protect its own citizens? Does Hamas have any responsibility, iyo? Are you a pacifist? If not, are you aware that the U.N. projected that roughly 70% of all people killed in wars during the 20th century were civilians?

Israel does not target civilians, and that should be logical to an objective person since the death count would be many times higher if they did.

Protecting citizens and isolating yourself for racial purity are two different things. If there was no 'Judaism' would there be attacks?

 

[Alceste]

No: religious/cultural/racial purity is not at all the point. Continuity and threats to continuity is the point.

That was also the point for a significant proportion of the anti-miscegination crowd in the US prior to the civil rights movement. Either both are examples of bigotry or neither are.

 

[metis]

Protecting citizens and isolating yourself for racial purity are two different things. If there was no 'Judaism' would there be attacks?

Apparently you are oblivious to the fact that roughly 1 & 1/2 million Palestinians live in Israel, and they are free to leave if they want. Do you see line-ups of them doing so on the news? No? Then maybe you should reconsider the above.

BTW, a goodly number of them, along with other religious people besides Jews, sign up for the IDF, but I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your stereotype of what's going on there.

 

[Flankerl]

Considering your Jewish brethern are presently shelling civilians to keep their isolated enclave safe, I'd say we're on the way.

:banghead3
Yes. Of course. Finally the real objective behind all the posts comes to light.

If people were more honest about the whole matter we wouldnt need to waste so much time.

And another thread bites the dust.

You said it, I didn't.

Sorry that i write for you what you think.
But dont worry i've known for a long time how you feel about us.

It is a rather simple question. How is it different?

Is ignoring the answers you were given just a standard tactic or do we need to consult a specialists about your apparent issue?

 

[Wirey]

Apparently you are oblivious to the fact that roughly 1 & 1/2 million Palestinians live in Israel, and they are free to leave if they want. Do you see line-ups of them doing so on the news? No? Then maybe you should reconsider the above.

BTW, a goodly number of them, along with other religious people besides Jews, sign up for the IDF, but I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your stereotype of what's going on there.

I'm being pushed into defending Hamas, and that wasn't my point. If they were all 'Fluterbongs' instead of Jews and Palestinians, would there be fighting? Isolationism leads to violence. It's human nature. Protecting the Jewish 'race' (I was unaware I could convert to a race) is step one to war.

 

[Revoltingest]

It isn't Darwinism, it's true. Guess why there aren't a lot of Gauls left.

Shakers too.
Celibacy decimated their ranks.

 

[Alceste]

I sometimes get the impression that there exists on the part of some a hypocritical commitment to protecting minority culture so long as that cuture is not Jewish.

What??? I'm all for mixing it up. Genetically speaking, it's a far superior model in an evolutionary sense. Also, love and marriage between people of different cultural backgrounds is a wonderful way to bridge the culture gap, reduce prejudices, create family ties between people who might otherwise distrust one another, and allow both families to learn and grow with the benefit of each other's collective wisdom. I once nearly married a Guatemalan with good genes just to give our future children the best possible shot in life.

I'm not saying EVERYBODY should intermarry. Most people won't, and that's fine. But we should celebrate the courage and passion of those who do.

 

[Revoltingest]

Apparently you are oblivious to the fact that roughly 1 & 1/2 million Palestinians live in Israel, and they are free to leave if they want.

Touting the civil liberty of being able to flee isn't helping your case.

 

[xkatz]

That was also the point for a significant proportion of the anti-miscegination crowd in the US prior to the civil rights movement. Either both are examples of bigotry or neither are.

>Implying that Judaism is about "racial purity"

 

[Flankerl]

Protecting the Jewish 'race' (I was unaware I could convert to a race) is step one to war.

Yeah step one to war. Because we Jews were the big warmongers of the last 3500 years.

We are so terribly sorry that we still exist and werent destroyed like all the other tribes no one talks about anymore.

Should i kill myself to make the world a better place?

 

[metis]

I'm being pushed into defending Hamas, and that wasn't my point. If they were all 'Fluterbongs' instead of Jews and Palestinians, would there be fighting? Isolationism leads to violence. It's human nature. Protecting the Jewish 'race' (I was unaware I could convert to a race) is step one to war.

First of all, Jews aren't a "race". Secondly, the Israeli government has both the right and responsibility to protect all its citizens regardless as to their nationality or religion.

 

[Koldo]

>Implying that Judaism is about "racial purity"

Where did she imply that?