Do you as a Muslim believe in women's equality?

[dawny0826]

No I meant ''benefitted''. That is how we spell it in the UK
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I think you will find the inflammatory remarks were against me. I have given evidence to back up my views. I think the insult were also against me.

We are done? fine. You have your views I have mine. Oh and the ''snickers'' by the way, was an attempt to make it less attacking in speech. Again, you have your views I have mine.

Fair enough.

 

[Robert.Evans]

How incredibly ignorant.

You need to put weight on

 

[Monk Of Reason]

You need to put weight on

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[Draka]

Ok, so maybe not entirely troll, perhaps Poe is a better choice. This is an excellent example of Poe.

 

[Robert.Evans]

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[Robert.Evans]

Someone is an excellent example of sarcastic.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

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ah.

 

[gnostic]

LOL My oldest Daughter is a cross country trucker and owns her own rig.

Several Combat Pilots in the Saudi and Turkish Air forces are women

Some of the world's wealthiest Women are Muslim

Many of the Muslim nations either have or have had female presidents---Hmmm who was the last female president we had here in the USA

And yet women can't have more than one husband at the same time.

That's no equal right. It is double standard.

It only equal right, if men were banned from having more than one wife, or one woman should be able to have 2 or more husbands.

And the sharia law, supposedly established at muslim nations, give more weight to a man's testimony than a woman's testimony.

No, equal rights for women are far from "equal" among Muslims.

 

[SomeRandom]

1 Peter 3:4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the ...
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You should clothe yourselves instead with the beauty that comes from within, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is so precious to God.

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   to live wisely and be pure, to work in their homes, to do good, and to be ... to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own ...

I could add that the apostles were men and you would probably call the lord a chauvinist, not that I recommend it, but I see no reason to bother going any further. You have you ideology and I have mine. We shall await judgement one day and see who is the better equipped to stand before him. Have a nice day.

I actually thought you were Muslim, see how off base assumptions are? All I can say is, thank God above that I don't ascribe to the Bible, mate. See all this time you were banging on about how much better women have it when they do their "rightful" duty, but you were just advocating control over women all this time. The Lord is no chauvinist, can't say the same for some of the men who were so filled with hubris they deigned themselves worthy of speaking for Him, though. You see I'm with the Sikhs on this one. No one can truly capture the Lord in mere mortal words, nor can they confine Him to a simple book or multiple books. But I fear that is an entirely different discussion for an entirely different forum.
I hope yours is a nice day as well.

 

[SomeRandom]

Market forces. You make your bed now lie in it... that is the saying. We mkae what we have, did you not kno w that?

And we are. You're the one saying women shouldn't work even if they have no choice. Not me.

 

[SomeRandom]

Ahhh.... and there you have it... the ''modern world'' a world WE create. Clearly I am of a different decade, but it worked then, so don't knock them for saying they were wrong. It had been that way for generations. It is only since the world has been made easier largely by men, that you now want to do these things.

And times change. The world moves on and we adapt to those changes or die off. Simple. It doesn't matter if it worked back then or not, we're not in that world anymore.
Besides, I know people from your decade, mate. They're the first to admit that neither generation is perfect and in fact divorce, families splitting up and men being useless ******** not able to get work still occurred regularly. No one spoke about it openly was all.

 

[SomeRandom]

As already posted, it is a bed you have made. You want the vote, you want the work- you change the market forces. Now you have to work. Market forces change. Why do men side with women working? Because it is more money coming into the house. Why the government? the economy. Why women? Insecurity around men and not valuing yourselves at looking after the most important and valuable thing we have...children! If you do it right, we have decent people. And if you do it wrong, we have thugs.

It is an important job that is sadly overlooked because of the modern mindset of women and the men who follow it to save an argument.

You think it is weak. Trying standing in my shoes. It is they who have a backbone made out of rubber not me.

And I never once said I wasn't going to work. You're the one raving mad about how women dare to make some money. I said, I have to work, so like everybody else in this ****ing world, we aspire to get a job that involves something that interests me as a person. That's been going on since the beginning of the workforce, mate. People aspire to do jobs they are interested in. And tended to hate menial jobs that seemed to them boring. In fact, that's why the older generation has continued to push the youngsters towards getting jobs that are exciting and interesting. Always have done, if the oldies are telling the truth.
Kids can turn out to be mongrels, they can turn out to be serial killers, sociopaths, psychopaths, the next Hitler. They are not our most precious resource, they are a valuable resource to be sure. But since we're pretty overpopulated, they're not really the absolutely most valuable thing ever. (Hmm, I think Brave New World affected my thinking more than I thought. E- Cookies if you can guess what I'm referring to.)
But regardless women are still raising children, that hasn't really stopped. Like at all. Some ought to be more focused on their kids, imo, but most career driven women I know tend to wait until they have more free time on their hands anyway.So it's not like the next generation is in any clear threat of not being born or taken care of. Men have just helped with the burden of child rearing a bit more is all. Which is a good thing. Kids with more protection, nurture and care given towards them, rather than in your cold view of fathers.
Yes so awful and spineless of them men wanting their kids to have all the best things in life that they perhaps went without. Alas to do that you need money, thus they wanted more money. Now as someone mentioned before, if all the women up and left the workforce our economy would collapse. My dad lived during the great depression. It didn't sound too appealing when he recounted it. Just saying.

Also, FYI, I cannot say that I have traveled your path (and neither can you say the same about mine) but just judging by your comments, frankly you come off as insecure, weak and frightened of women doing something other than being all demure and submissive.

 

[SomeRandom]

Now that's funny. You equate success it seems with working. I wonder why bringing up the human race to a higher level of social etiquette and manners so we don't have feral kids running round is not seen as being of any value. It is a worldly value to run after wealth adn power. Sad

You're equating success to working, I'm merely living in this world mate, and doing what I have to to survive. Having an interesting job is just what people aspire to have these days. Nothing more.
And mothers aren't the only people capable of disciplining their kids. Fathers ought to step up too and make sure the kids don't grow up into hoodlums. In fact, the common stereotype is that the fathers often handle the disciple far more frequently, so why aren't you going after them as well? For allowing their own flesh and blood, the flesh and blood they helped create and are responsible for as well, to turn into hooligans. They share some of the blame in the end result of their own kids too, you know? It's not like they just up and leave the kids to the mum and don't have any say in the way their child is raised. Well not decent blokes, anyway.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yeah you've done a lot.... except keep the family together. Now what was that offensive phrase you keep using to do with weak?

Pfft, it takes two to tango, mate. If men are breaking up with women or vice versa (and they happen to have kids together) you personally cannot say what the cause was in every single instance. Nor can you lay blame upon the female in every single solitary situation either. There could be a million different scenarios going on. The guy could be being abused, the girl might not be able to hack taking care of their ill spouse, maybe the guy is a vicious drunk and bowed out as to not hurt his family or maybe she left him after he beat her within an inch of her life.

Weak as ****, mate, weak as ****. Which aptly describes men who blame every little tiny thing wrong in their lives on women (or feminism or whatever) when it's uncalled for.
Here's another popular phrase down under, Harden the **** up mate.

 

[turk179]

Someone is an excellent example of sarcastic.

She is right. Your views are a very good example of Poe's law. Your views are extremely outrageous. I'm not even sure if men in the 1920's believed that they were as superior over women as you portray yourself to be. You're either joking or crazy. But if this really is how you feel about women, might I suggest counseling.

 

[Robert.Evans]

You're equating success to working, I'm merely living in this world mate, and doing what I have to to survive. Having an interesting job is just what people aspire to have these days. Nothing more.
And mothers aren't the only people capable of disciplining their kids. Fathers ought to step up too and make sure the kids don't grow up into hoodlums. In fact, the common stereotype is that the fathers often handle the disciple far more frequently, so why aren't you going after them as well? For allowing their own flesh and blood, the flesh and blood they helped create and are responsible for as well, to turn into hooligans. They share some of the blame in the end result of their own kids too, you know? It's not like they just up and leave the kids to the mum and don't have any say in the way their child is raised. Well not decent blokes, anyway.

Feminism has broken the family which creates all the problems in the lower working classes to start with. You living in this world is a cop out. Women did not jjust ''live in this world'' when they decided they wanted the vote did they.

 

[Robert.Evans]

And I never once said I wasn't going to work. You're the one raving mad about how women dare to make some money. I said, I have to work, so like everybody else in this ****ing world, we aspire to get a job that involves something that interests me as a person. That's been going on since the beginning of the workforce, mate. People aspire to do jobs they are interested in. And tended to hate menial jobs that seemed to them boring. In fact, that's why the older generation has continued to push the youngsters towards getting jobs that are exciting and interesting. Always have done, if the oldies are telling the truth.
Kids can turn out to be mongrels, they can turn out to be serial killers, sociopaths, psychopaths, the next Hitler. They are not our most precious resource, they are a valuable resource to be sure. But since we're pretty overpopulated, they're not really the absolutely most valuable thing ever. (Hmm, I think Brave New World affected my thinking more than I thought. E- Cookies if you can guess what I'm referring to.)
But regardless women are still raising children, that hasn't really stopped. Like at all. Some ought to be more focused on their kids, imo, but most career driven women I know tend to wait until they have more free time on their hands anyway.So it's not like the next generation is in any clear threat of not being born or taken care of. Men have just helped with the burden of child rearing a bit more is all. Which is a good thing. Kids with more protection, nurture and care given towards them, rather than in your cold view of fathers.
Yes so awful and spineless of them men wanting their kids to have all the best things in life that they perhaps went without. Alas to do that you need money, thus they wanted more money. Now as someone mentioned before, if all the women up and left the workforce our economy would collapse. My dad lived during the great depression. It didn't sound too appealing when he recounted it. Just saying.

Also, FYI, I cannot say that I have traveled your path (and neither can you say the same about mine) but just judging by your comments, frankly you come off as insecure, weak and frightened of women doing something other than being all demure and submissive.

And you sound, in short, like a overly aggressive woman who cares little for men or the greater good of society, and more about herself.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I actually thought you were Muslim, see how off base assumptions are? All I can say is, thank God above that I don't ascribe to the Bible, mate. See all this time you were banging on about how much better women have it when they do their "rightful" duty, but you were just advocating control over women all this time. The Lord is no chauvinist, can't say the same for some of the men who were so filled with hubris they deigned themselves worthy of speaking for Him, though. You see I'm with the Sikhs on this one. No one can truly capture the Lord in mere mortal words, nor can they confine Him to a simple book or multiple books. But I fear that is an entirely different discussion for an entirely different forum.
I hope yours is a nice day as well.

You'd have to understand the Bible first madam before you could comment on it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Pfft, it takes two to tango, mate. If men are breaking up with women or vice versa (and they happen to have kids together) you personally cannot say what the cause was in every single instance. Nor can you lay blame upon the female in every single solitary situation either. There could be a million different scenarios going on. The guy could be being abused, the girl might not be able to hack taking care of their ill spouse, maybe the guy is a vicious drunk and bowed out as to not hurt his family or maybe she left him after he beat her within an inch of her life.

Weak as ****, mate, weak as ****. Which aptly describes men who blame every little tiny thing wrong in their lives on women (or feminism or whatever) when it's uncalled for.
Here's another popular phrase down under, Harden the **** up mate.

Women broke up the family not men. If men are abusive then that is another subject altogether. It is always amazing that is where the subject goes to as a get out clause.

It is equally interesting that women always seem to think they can do whatever they want, and the excuse, which seems to be exaggerated in your country, is to ridicule the male to make him take responsiblity for soemthing he hasn't done. Quite perverted if you ask me. But great manipulation of the lower working class male. Of course one has to be careful not to offend them all, just play on their macho role.

It seems females have difficulty with responsibility all the time then.

 

[Robert.Evans]

She is right. Your views are a very good example of Poe's law. Your views are extremely outrageous. I'm not even sure if men in the 1920's believed that they were as superior over women as you portray yourself to be. You're either joking or crazy. But if this really is how you feel about women, might I suggest counseling.

How I feel about women? Perhaps you'd like to explain that.