Do you as a Muslim believe in women's equality?

[Draka]

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[Debater Slayer]

God, I love you.

You are not alone.

 

[Draka]

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[turk179]

Is that you not wanting to understand?

turk179 said: ↑
But if this really is how you feel about women, might I suggest counseling.

I'm the one who asked the question. Why wouldn't I understand?
Ok. Lets try something different here. Are you just pulling our legs? Are you serious? Joking? Or do you actually believe the way you portray yourself in your numerous posts?

 

[SkepticThinker]

It seems you miss the point. Though I will answer your question in a minute. When I said ''''Women did not jjust ''live in this world'' when they decided they wanted the vote did they.''''

what I meant was, the women of that time did not just accept what was around them, they decided to change it. This is in direct answer to the writer of the post I was responding to who claims that she is somehow a victim of what is around her, just living her life by the system in place. Understand now?

Now tell me this, why, if the man and woman are married and therefore one flesh, do they need to separate votes? Do they live in two separate houses? And if you reply that not everyone is married, some are single, then this leads to further problems like fornication and adultery.

Um yes. Because they are still two different human beings with two different opinions.

 

[SomeRandom]

I agree with everyone saying that Robert Evans is a Poe. This has been an awesome prank, I must say sir!

 

[SomeRandom]

Feminism has broken the family which creates all the problems in the lower working classes to start with. You living in this world is a cop out. Women did not jjust ''live in this world'' when they decided they wanted the vote did they.

Families break up all the time, before and after feminism. Families still exist today, women and men still parent, raise, nurture and protect the young. Nothing has changed.
You know the vote rights is based on the idea that laws have to be obeyed. Since men got to choose which laws to support it seemed only fair that women got that say too. After all they had to obey said laws as well. Unless you think it fair that I come over and dictate law and you get no say, just obey?

 

[SomeRandom]

Women broke up the family not men. If men are abusive then that is another subject altogether. It is always amazing that is where the subject goes to as a get out clause.

It is equally interesting that women always seem to think they can do whatever they want, and the excuse, which seems to be exaggerated in your country, is to ridicule the male to make him take responsiblity for soemthing he hasn't done. Quite perverted if you ask me. But great manipulation of the lower working class male. Of course one has to be careful not to offend them all, just play on their macho role.

It seems females have difficulty with responsibility all the time then.

Ahh such generalizations. Like I said, men blaming women for everything when it's not needed are weak as ****. If you read what I wrote I actually gave legitimate reasons for a man to leave and some of those included said that the women were at fault. (Abuse etc.) But I gave equal blame to scenarios where the man could have been the cause. Like I said you cannot say personally why specific families have broken up. All you have is correlation at best.

 

[SomeRandom]

You'd have to understand the Bible first madam before you could comment on it.

I do. My Uncle was a Fundamentalist Preacher for over 40 years. He can quote verbatim all the Bibles. He is the one who taught me the Bibles in the first place. He also outlined in esquisite detail the various strategies that priests often employ to "control" their flock. It was an interesting behind the scenes look, I must say.

 

[SomeRandom]

And you sound, in short, like a overly aggressive woman who cares little for men or the greater good of society, and more about herself.

Lol I love men. I don't know why you assume such crap. I have yet to accuse you of hating women, which I don't think you do. Not really.
And I do my share to ensure the greater good for society. What you do, as I have witnessed, is whinge over having to compete harder for a job and that women no longer grovel at the feet of their husbands.

 

[SomeRandom]

''Still learning to be wise'' it says under your avatar. You have a long way to go eh

Yes, hence the wording under my avatar. And?

 

[psychoslice]

I feel that its discussing how Muslims hide their women behind ugly veils, all it does is make one look more into what is trapped behind that ugly veil.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Do you not know what Poe's Law refers to and is that why you keep dodging this?

Yes I know what Poe is. That is why I am not dodging anything.

It is made quite evident as to the position you hold that is being referred to here. Besides your outrageous claims throughout this thread it is said in his post what he is referring to. I just don't think you either know what Poe's Law is, or you are incredibly blind as to how your posts are an excellent of example of it.

Give me an example of an ''outrageous claim''.

And he said:
''But if this really is how you feel about women, might I suggest counseling.''

Do you not see the word ''REALLY'' there. Do you not see how the statement has changed at the end.
I think you are trolling again!

 

[Robert.Evans]

@Robert.Evans , Should we all assume that you never watch tv, or watch movies, or buy anything from a woman in a store? I mean, aren't you just validating women working when you not only acknowledge their contributions (enjoying a movie or tv show with an actress in it), but use their abilities when you need something in a store or some service? As a matter of fact, what are you doing using a computer or an internet service? Have you no idea how many women work at internet service providers or for computer companies? My goodness, the very computer/laptop/tablet/phone you are using to post these messages may have been mostly made by women! If you really feel so strongly about women not working, about them knowing their "proper place", why aren't you boycotting absolutely everything that women contribute to? In fact, I suggest you do. If you think women should be in the home, not "taking jobs from men", why you absolutely must make your stance more than just words, you must take action. Boycott. Refuse to use or buy anything a woman had anything to do with, else you are just encouraging women to keep stealing jobs from men and neglect their children. That's right, stand up for your beliefs. Don't just be a blowhard with words alone. In fact, I'd suggest, if you find it hard to survive by boycotting (what with being restricted in even buying food, soap, water, electricity and so on) perhaps you'd find it easier to just move to a place with the same ideals as you hold.

You sound a little intimidated my men.

And it is irrelevant who can or cannot do something in the work place. I am arguing for what is best for the greater society, and I have given evidence for it. You have given none.

 

[Robert.Evans]

In no way did that answer my question.

Are you confident in what you think all women should be doing in their daily lives?

That's a yes or no answer. So please answer a simple "yes" or a simple "no."

And if "yes" you ARE confident in that you know best what all women should be doing, from what do you base your opinion from?

I don't like people who play games! It amounts to bullying.
I have given evidence to back up my words which you have ignored.

You are beginning to troll as well are you.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Actually, there are plenty of women in history who have been integral to the success, innovation, and proliferation of information technology (IT).

Mothers of Technology: 10 Women Who Invented and Innovated in Tech — BizTech

So what? The argument is not whether a woman can do it (which appears to be your insecurity) but what is best for us as brothers and sisters on the same piece of land. It takes a certain amount of sacrifice to think of that, not selfishness.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Most of the things you wrote still make her inferior to men, especially to the husbands. And that mean they (women) have less rights and privileges than the male counterparts.

His answer was good; but it spoke of a distant time. If they still hold to those values, who are you to say they are wrong just becasue they don't hold to yours?

The Qur'an and muslim society is still operating on the ideal of women being stay-at-home-housewife mentality, while the husband being the breadwinner,

That belittes men and women who do just that, and that includes the majority of our ancestors.

The problem was that each week, when the wives were paid their weekly salary in paid cheques, both husbands took their earnings from their wives.

And so do women at times. What does it matter? If the two are one and he is head, what is the problem. Her insecurity? Or perhaps he abuses her? But if he does not, what is the difference with a woman holding the purse strings, which is pretty much the goddess lead West.

We have a clash of civalisation here I think.

 

[Robert.Evans]

In fact, I thoroughly hope that you are so adamant about women shouldn't be working that you obviously show that position when in dire medical need and turn down any care provided by a female. Woman doctor...absurd. Female heart surgeon...you'd rather die. Oh, let's not forget other fields. Your house is on fire, a female firefighter is there? Let it burn. She comes in to pull you out and save your life...heck you'll just burn. Female paramedic responds to your car crash...forget it, you'll just bleed out on your steering wheel.

Don't just talk the talk...walk the walk.

Beginning to sound like a bully.
As I have said, it is not what the woman can do now, with all the modern training and infrastucture largely put in by men over countless generations and much spilt blood, it is about the greater good. It is about bringing up children, certainly of the lower classes, with great social skills, not leaving them to it because you have not got time. And for your information, we men were doing okay before you started taking these jobs. We would do okay if you left. I doubt it would work the other way.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Well then obviously we should clearly not have all the advancements we do. Because we little delicate and weak women are not to be bothering our baby making selves with such manly things. Those rebellious greedy women had some kind of nerve to dare to make technological contributions to our society.

You sound very insecure and angry. Is that why you feel you have to have moeny and power? Do men bother you that much; the male presence?

 

[Robert.Evans]

God, I love you.

Safety in numbers eh?