Do You Attend Church?

[shunyadragon]

The problem of 'Do you attend church?' has deeper ramifications in the nature of being human and human history. The question arises that beyond which church or religious observance you many attend or maybe none involves deeper questions. The more interesting philosophical question is "WHY?" we believe, attend or not believe and do not attend any one of many conflicting belief systems from the fallible human perspective.

I premise my view on a Universalist Philosophy (not UU). The root of this philosophy is try and understand the more universal perspective of the nature of humanity belief and knowledge in an effort to question everything to establish a more universal basis of the nature being human.

One important "Why?" question related to this topic is based on the fact that by far the majority of humans today believe in, belong to and worship in the beliefs of their family and/or peer groups. Some may "church shop," but rarely stray far from the fold of their own culture and traditions,

I consider this a contradiction of the many diverse and conflicting claims of the different religions and belief systems as being in some way the "One and only true religion in their relation with the 'Source' some call God(s) or not God(s).

I believe that 'clinging' to one belief or another surrenders ones "potential Free Will" to comprehend and understand the universal beyond ones own belief system. I believe in what may be called "potential limited Free Will," because anything approaching human "Libertarian Free Will" is an illusion.

 

[Little Dragon]

The root of this philosophy is try and understand the more universal perspective of the nature of humanity belief and knowledge in an effort to question everything to establish a more universal basis of the nature being human.

Collating the common denominators? Sounds like the right way to go about determining universal truths or perspectives, common to all human beings, in time and space. Maybe the truest religion or philosophy of humanity, is a mosaic, of universal concepts and perspectives, that resolves itself into view, when looked at as a greater whole, collectively, externally. Sounds objective to me.

 

[shunyadragon]

Collating the common denominators? Sounds like the right way to go about determining universal truths or perspectives, common to all human beings, in time and space. Maybe the truest religion or philosophy of humanity, is a mosaic, of universal concepts and perspectives, that resolves itself into view, when looked at as a greater whole, collectively, externally. Sounds objective to me.

I agree with qualification, We could not determine 'truths,' but the search for knowledge with the least bias as possible.

 

[Little Dragon]

I agree with qualification, We could not determine 'truths,' but the search for knowledge with the least bias as possible.

A subtle qualification but definitely needed.

 

[shunyadragon]

An interesting observation on the fallibility of human belief. The achilles heel here is: "people compare new information with what they already know to be true. "

Illusory truth effect - Wikipedia

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Illusory truth effect​

The illusory truth effect (also known as the illusion of truth effect, validity effect, truth effect, or the reiteration effect) is the tendency to believe false information to be correct after repeated exposure.[1] This phenomenon was first identified in a 1977 study at Villanova University and Temple University.[2][3] When truth is assessed, people rely on whether the information is in line with their understanding or if it feels familiar. The first condition is logical, as people compare new information with what they already know to be true. Repetition makes statements easier to process relative to new, unrepeated statements, leading people to believe that the repeated conclusion is more truthful. The illusory truth effect has also been linked to hindsight bias, in which the recollection of confidence is skewed after the truth has been received.
In a 2015 study, researchers discovered that familiarity can overpower rationality and that repetitively hearing that a certain statement is wrong can paradoxically cause it to feel right.[4] Researchers attributed the illusory truth effect's impact even on participants who knew the correct answer to begin with, but were persuaded to believe otherwise through the repetition of a falsehood, to "processing fluency".
The illusory truth effect plays a significant role in fields such as advertising, news media, and political propaganda.

 

[shunyadragon]

Clarification: Universalism as used here does not mean Universal Salvation as believed by some Christians and other belief systems.

It does not address the question of who is Saved or not.

 

[Muffled]

Ignorant of your primitive biblical jibber jabber? Why certainly I prefer it. It makes my perception of reality, so much more objective, in that it isn't cluttered with nonsensical article of faith and demented narrative.

I could say the same thing about science. I suppose someone else could find it intelligible but it is useless to me.

 

[Muffled]

Who cares what you believe? Not me. Not one iota. What can you prove, what can you demonstrate, is the question.

I believe that is only a question for those who are ignorant.

 

[Muffled]

I hope every church on earth is as empty as a tomb one day or rededicated to a more spiritual and wholesome faith.

Be caeful what you wish for. This world is already bad enough.

 

[shunyadragon]

I could say the same thing about science. I suppose someone else could find it intelligible but it is useless to me.

Your computer and internet would not exist without science.

 

[shunyadragon]

Be caeful what you wish for. This world is already bad enough.

Tribal warfare between Judaism, Christianity and Islam makes it worse. Self imposed ignorance is not a coherent argument.

Your computer and internet would not exist without science.

 

[Little Dragon]

I could say the same thing about science. I suppose someone else could find it intelligible but it is useless to me.

Without the scientific method, without scientific investigation, without scientific theory, without science and technology. You would have, no PC or cell phone or Xbox, no internet, no aircraft, no cars, no anti viral drugs, no cancer treatments, no nuclear power stations, no solar power, no space stations, no space craft, no GPS, no insecticides, no chemical fertilizers, no radio, no plasma TV, no washing machines, no microwave ovens, no pre term incubators, the list goes on.

Your world would very different, much more like the world before the industrial revolution.

 

[Little Dragon]

I believe that is only a question for those who are ignorant.

I believe you do not understand how irrational that reply is. Allow me to show you.

Me: Pink Unicorns exist!
You: I don't believe you, show me a Pink Unicorn, or show me a photo of one then, or show me where they can be found, so I can confirm your claim.
Me: No
You: Why not?
Me: Only ignorant people ask for proof and evidence.

 

[Little Dragon]

Be caeful what you wish for. This world is already bad enough.

I think your definition of what is bad is probably diametrically opposed to what I think is bad.