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Do you believe Donald Trump is criminally culpable for events on or around January 6th 2021?
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VoidCat
Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Thanks
I just posted the video in that link on Facebook with the hopes my grandma might listen to it.
She may yell at me I don't know. We will see...
Im trying to break through the propraganda.
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SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
It was Stephen Ayres - the committee described him as an artist and a journalist. He's a former Trump supporter. He wasn't acting as an undercover journalist that day. He pleaded guilty to disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building.
"STEPHANIE MURPHY: Thank you. Mr. Chairman. You know, earlier today we showed how Donald Trump's December 19th tweet summoned both extremist groups as well as rank and file supporters of President Trump to come to Washington, DC, average Americans. He — he told them to, quote, be there, will be wild; and they came. We showed how Mr. President — how President Trump repeatedly told them fight, fight, fight, and they marched to the Capitol.
Mr. Ayres, you were in that crowd at the rally, and then the crowd that marched to the Capitol. When you arrived on the Ellipse that morning, were you planning on going to the Capitol?
STEPHEN AYRES: No, we didn't actually plan to go down there. You know, we went basically to see the Stop the Steal rally and that was it.
STEPHANIE MURPHY: So why did you decide to march to the Capitol?
STEPHEN AYRES: Well, basically, you know, the President got everybody riled up and told everybody to head on down. So we basically was just following what he said.
STEPHANIE MURPHY: After the President's speech as you're marching down to the Capitol, how did you feel?
STEPHEN AYRES: I was, you know, I'm angry. You know, after everything that was basically said in the speech. You know, a lot of the stuff he said he already put out in tweets. I've already seen it and heard it before. So, I mean, I was already worked up and so were most of the people there.
STEPHANIE MURPHY: So as you started marching, did you think there was still a chance the election would be overturned?
STEPHEN AYRES: Yeah, at that time I did, you know, because everybody was kind of like in the hope that, you know, Vice President Pence was not going to certify the election. You know, also the whole time on our way down there, we kept hearing about this big reveal I remember us talking about, and we kind of thought maybe that was it. So that hope was there.
STEPHANIE MURPHY: Did you think that the President would be marching with you?
STEPHEN AYRES: Yeah, I think everybody thought he was going to be coming down. You know, he said it in his speech, you know, kind of like he's going to be there with us. So, I mean, I think — I believed it.
STEPHANIE MURPHY: I understand. We know that you illegally entered the Capitol that afternoon and then left the Capitol area later on. What made you decide to leave?
STEPHEN AYRES: Basically, when President Trump put his tweet out. We literally left right after that come out. You know, to me if he would have done that earlier in the day, 1:30, I — you know, we wouldn't be in this — maybe we wouldn't be in this bad of a situation or something."
Here's every word from the seventh Jan. 6 committee hearing on its investigation
I was there. I don't need to see the hearing. I remember watching the build up, the rhetoric, the news. I believe that the professionals of the court and certain other people may need to see the hearing. I don't. I remember him refusing to step down, saying that he wouldn't ever admit defeat. I remember him saying this before the election, and I remember journalists reacting to his comments. Then I remember him refusing to accept defeat and slandering our election system and his party supporting him in it. I remember him goading voters and goading election officials as the news came out, and I remember him publicly lying about all kinds of things. I don't need a hearing to know he's culpable. I leave it up to the courts to work out the complex legal issues, but he's very guilty of undermining the voting system and of trying to stop the legal certification of the votes. That is illegal.
If the hearings are about whether he paid people to stop the election or not, then I don't know if he is guilty of that. For that I would need to watch the hearings. For the above, however, he's plenty guilty and should not be allowed in any public office. It saddens me that such a capable person is so damned cavalier. Its too bad that he can't seem to find reasonable boundaries or understand the word 'No'.
Truth in love
Well-Known Member
1. In the case of Ukraine we have clear motive for Biden and a confession. He literally engaged in the behavior Trump was accused of and bragged about it.
2. The 2000 mules shows efforts to steal the election. Trump fought what is alleged to be massive election fraud. Now can it be proved, does it matter now could be debated, but mounting a legal challenge for what looks like massive fraud is not a crime.
3. I have issues with Trump. I think he violated his oath of office several times. That said I'm not in the lynch Trump or pretend no one else did that club that is so popular these days.
Truth in love
Well-Known Member
I'm trying to keep an eye on things. I decline to give up many hours of time for their dog and pony show.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
2000 Mules showed nothing of the sort. That movie was the biggest waste of two hours of my life. Seriously, they didn't show anything anywhere close to massive voter fraud. Their whole thing about mules travelling around from drop box to drop box is based on a faulty premise, and not only that, they couldn't even be bothered to back up their main assertion that these people were dropping piles of ballots at multiple drop boxes. All they had to do was show one guy going to two different drop boxes, and they didn't even do that. What a waste of time.
The part where they're all watching the tape of the lady with the gloves on was most ridiculous to me. They're all like "oh she's wearing gloves, that's suspicious." Um, dudes, it was during the COVID pandemic when lots of people were wearing gloves. It's not suspicious in the slightest if you remember we all just lived through a global pandemic.
You really should watch the January 6th Congressional hearings. They're quite enlightening. Trump was told over and over that there was no voter fraud by multiple different people inside and outside his administration. Bill Barr even took the time to investigate a bunch of their silly claims and came up empty on ALL of them.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Could you provide a source for this? I am unfamiliar with this accusation.
2000 Mules was the creation of Dinesh D'Souza, an obviously biased source, with evidence provided by True the Vote, also biased and have been accused of forgery. The evidence in the film has been questioned by experts: Evidence Gaps in '2000 Mules' - FactCheck.org
The film is hardly proof of massive election fraud.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Evidence please?
According to one constitutional expert I was listening to, it is possible he could possibly be indicted on 6 felony counts.
We have courts to determine such matters, thus not your or I.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Oh, so eyewitnesses to what happened and what may have been Trump's involvement is just a "dog and pony show"? That says that you pretty much have made up your mind already minus paying attention to the continuing investigation and minus any trial that might result from it. Thus, you've shown that the "Truth" really isn't that important to you.
Truth in love
Well-Known Member
evidence and proof are not the same thing. The behaviors documented in 2000 miles is enough evidence to justify an
And this is a gift who called for Trumps impeachment round 1.
Proof and evidence are not the same. The information cited in 2000 mules is more than enough to investigate.
Truth in love
Well-Known Member
Truth in love
Well-Known Member
The only thing in this matter my mind is made up on is that I don’t trust the DC establishment. For recent reasons for this I cite the Russia collusion hoax many of them took part in.
But “Trump thought he won… he was made… he was looking for ways to win”. Does not equal calling for an insurrection.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
No it isn't, as I explained in my last post. That movie proves absolutely nothing.
But I suspect you have me on ignore and so you'll keep repeating this stuff.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
This doesn't show what you seem to think it shows.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Calling everyone to meet up for a "stop the steal" rally and then directing the crowd - whom he knew contained many, many people that were armed - to march to the Capitol (with him) to make sure Mike Pence does what he wants him to do is a call for insurrection.
You sound like someone who isn't watching the hearings, but should be.
Bogus reason. First, Trump was involved with Russia in many ways as he was running for president. There were 114 meetings between Trump's campaign officials and Russians during the election cycle. That's fishy. plus Trump lied about a deal he was working on in Moscow, a hotel that he was trying to get financed. It fell through, but he lied about it for some reason. As as we saw after the election that trump did have interactions with Russian officials in ways that were not art of the public record. He was president.
Trup lost and he knew he lost given the testimony of people around Trump after the 2020 election. He didn't want to admit the loss. How actions and lie about the "steal" was all fraud. He is not ethical. If he was, he would have accepted the loss and moved on. But now he is in big legal trouble, especially In Georgia.
Truth in love
Well-Known Member
"Bogus" People get caught lying like rugs to try to over-through the elected president and that not a good reason to not trust them????
I'm not giving Trump the honest guy of the year award, but given that it was the Dems who colluded with Russia to try to sway the election. That it was the Dems who extorted the Ukrainens and that it was totally fine to riot all over the nation, try to storm the white house and to claim an election was stolen up to the morning of Jan 6th 2021. You'll have to pardon my not trusting the people who supported all of this and then decided that it was bad if Trump did it or was accused of doing it.
Such double standards might be accepted by some, but not me.