Do you believe Donald Trump is criminally culpable for events on or around January 6th 2021?

[metis]

For recent reasons for this I cite the Russia collusion hoax many of them took part in.

Sorry for the delay as I was on vacation.

To the above, there definitely was contacts between Trump & Putin whereas no other Americans were allowed, including even having an American translator. We also know that some of Trump's associates had conversations with Russians under Putin as well.

But “Trump thought he won… he was made… he was looking for ways to win”. Does not equal calling for an insurrection.

Trump tried to get the SoS in Georgia to "find votes" ["11,780"] so that he would win. We also know that some of Trump's associates were trying to start basically a revolution to overthrow the government that is what even Bannon has basically admitted. .

"Stay tuned" as much more is likely to come out over the next couple of months. .

 

[Truth in love]

Sorry for the delay as I was on vacation.

To the above, there definitely was contacts between Trump & Putin whereas no other Americans were allowed, including even having an American translator. We also know that some of Trump's associates had conversations with Russians under Putin as well.

Trump tried to get the SoS in Georgia to "find votes" ["11,780"] so that he would win. We also know that some of Trump's associates were trying to start basically a revolution to overthrow the government that is what even Bannon has basically admitted. .

"Stay tuned" as much more is likely to come out over the next couple of months. .

If you believe there is fraud is it not logical to try to expose it?

as for talking to Putin its shocking that a leader of our nation would communicate with the leader of another nation, but that life I guess.

FLASHBACK: Obama to Russian President: ‘After My Election, I’ll Have More Flexibility’
Opps that just dropped there. Its funny Obama can send secret messages to world leaders and that fine. But trump talking to one is evil. Double standard much?

 

[SkepticThinker]

"Bogus" People get caught lying like rugs to try to over-through the elected president and that not a good reason to not trust them????

I'm not giving Trump the honest guy of the year award, but given that it was the Dems who colluded with Russia to try to sway the election. That it was the Dems who extorted the Ukrainens and that it was totally fine to riot all over the nation, try to storm the white house and to claim an election was stolen up to the morning of Jan 6th 2021. You'll have to pardon my not trusting the people who supported all of this and then decided that it was bad if Trump did it or was accused of doing it.

Such double standards might be accepted by some, but not me.

Huh? What are you talking about? Where on earth do you get your news from?

 

[SkepticThinker]

If you believe there is fraud is it not logical to try to expose it?

as for talking to Putin its shocking that a leader of our nation would communicate with the leader of another nation, but that life I guess.

FLASHBACK: Obama to Russian President: ‘After My Election, I’ll Have More Flexibility’
Opps that just dropped there. Its funny Obama can send secret messages to world leaders and that fine. But trump talking to one is evil. Double standard much?

You're too focused on whataboutism to see what is in front of your face, me thinks.

 

[metis]

If you believe there is fraud is it not logical to try to expose it?

But you didn't state it as belief a but as a supposed fact, which you did not support.

as for talking to Putin its shocking that a leader of our nation would communicate with the leader of another nation, but that life I guess.

That is not the same as it is long-standing protocol for such a conversation to also be witnessed by at least some translator or other staff members, which Trump did not use. He also had some private conversations with Putin that again were not witnessed even by members of his own staff.

FLASHBACK: Obama to Russian President: ‘After My Election, I’ll Have More Flexibility’
Opps that just dropped there. Its funny Obama can send secret messages to world leaders and that fine. But trump talking to one is evil. Double standard much?

The double standard is that you simply do not know in any way if Obama's call was entirely private, which it likely wasn't since I don't think Obama speaks Russian and I know Putin's English is not that good. Trump, otoh, used a Russian translator who works for Putin.

As it is, you seem hell-bent on defending Trump regardless as to his level of dishonesty and utter depravity. I did not, nor do not, do the same with either Biden or Obama, as I do believe one should call out such dishonest activities regardless of party. Trump has been and still is a well-known con man over most of his adult life, which is why he couldn't secure western loans, eventually getting them from Duetsche Bank that has links to Putin associates.

IOW, I don't play games with partisan politics as you do, and I believe corrupt is corrupt regardless of party.

 

[Truth in love]

But you didn't state it as belief a but as a supposed fact, which you did not support.

That is not the same as it is long-standing protocol for such a conversation to also be witnessed by at least some translator or other staff members, which Trump did not use. He also had some private conversations with Putin that again were not witnessed even by members of his own staff.

The double standard is that you simply do not know in any way if Obama's call was entirely private, which it likely wasn't since I don't think Obama speaks Russian and I know Putin's English is not that good. Trump, otoh, used a Russian translator who works for Putin.

As it is, you seem hell-bent on defending Trump regardless as to his level of dishonesty and utter depravity. I did not, nor do not, do the same with either Biden or Obama, as I do believe one should call out such dishonest activities regardless of party. Trump has been and still is a well-known con man over most of his adult life, which is why he couldn't secure western loans, eventually getting them from Duetsche Bank that has links to Putin associates.

IOW, I don't play games with partisan politics as you do, and I believe corrupt is corrupt regardless of party.

Obama was caught on a hot mic. He thought is was 100% private.

 

[metis]

Obama was caught on a hot mic. He thought is was 100% private.

So?

My point is that he was still very much in public, plus the simple fact that you are trying to justify Trump's utter depravity and even the most basic Judeo-Christian ethics. I do not justify any of that regardless of who does it and which party they may belong to.

 

[SkepticThinker]

PALM BEACH, Fla., Aug 8 (Reuters) - Former President Donald Trump said FBI agents raided his Mar-a-Lago estate on Monday and broke into his safe in what his son acknowledged was part of an investigation into Trump's removal of official presidential records from the White House to his Florida resort.

The unprecedented search of a former president's home would mark a significant escalation into the records investigation, which is one of several probes Trump is facing from his time in office and in private business.



FBI searches Trump's Florida home as part of presidential records probe

 

[Truth in love]

So?

My point is that he was still very much in public, plus the simple fact that you are trying to justify Trump's utter depravity and even the most basic Judeo-Christian ethics. I do not justify any of that regardless of who does it and which party they may belong to.

No this was a hidden secret message that was discovered. Could you at least get your facts straight on you quite to condemn Trump for things other did?

I have serious issues with Trump. Pensce was 100% correct in saying that his access hollywood comments were inexcusable. The dude is an arrogant jerk. AND he did a good job in many areas as president. That vast majority of what he is accused of doing wrong (some of which he did do) is the same behaviors done by Obama, Biden, Bush etc. I find the excessive efforts to make Trumps wrongs worse than the wrongs of others utterly dishonest.

 

[metis]

No this was a hidden secret message that was discovered. Could you at least get your facts straight on you quite to condemn Trump for things other did?

I do and did get it straight as there's a difference between a quip in a public location versus secretly meeting with a ruthless foreign dignitary whereas no American was allowed, which violates longstanding protocol! Thus, you are using a false equivalency, especially since Trump has continually praised Putin who is a neo-fascist. Obama did have conversations with Putin whereas there was at least an American translator present, which also is protocol.

 

[Truth in love]

I do and did get it straight as there's a difference between a quip in a public location versus secretly meeting with a ruthless foreign dignitary whereas no American was allowed, which violates longstanding protocol! Thus, you are using a false equivalency, especially since Trump has continually praised Putin who is a neo-fascist. Obama did have conversations with Putin whereas there was at least an American translator present, which also is protocol.

So following protocol is vital, but only when Trump messes up???

 

[metis]

So following protocol is vital, but only when Trump messes up???

Nope, as I believe the law needs to be enforced across the board. Did you honestly think I believed otherwise?

 

[Truth in love]

Nope, as I believe the law needs to be enforced across the board. Did you honestly think I believed otherwise?

It sure sounds like it, as I recall you had no problem with Biden extorting the Ukrainians, I'm guessing the Obama officials violating FISA rules, Clinton Campaign folk commuting perjury is all good. I;m guessing you are sitting back happy that trump was raided by the FBI but o worried about Clinton's 10,000 violations of the espionage act.

If I'm wrong on this please show me.

 

[metis]

It sure sounds like it, as I recall you had no problem with Biden extorting the Ukrainians,

That has been looked into and there is 0 evidence for that. If you think you have it, then post it.

I'm guessing the Obama officials violating FISA rules,

It was not the "Obama officials" that did that, plus they did resign.

I;m guessing you are sitting back happy that trump was raided by the FBI but o worried about Clinton's 10,000 violations of the espionage act.

You are guessing wrong as I don't take any pleasure in someone else's suffering or sins. Seems to me that this is more about you than I, so maybe it's you who should do some serious introspection, including why you are so willing to try and find excuses for the utter depravity that Trump repeated has spouted and acted on. Do his rallies in any way reflect Jesus' "Sermon On the Mount"? Which is the one you truly follow because you cannot believe in both?

IOW, "Physician, heal thyself".

 

[Truth in love]

That has been looked into and there is 0 evidence for that. If you think you have it, then post it.

It was not the "Obama officials" that did that, plus they did resign.

You are guessing wrong as I don't take any pleasure in someone else's suffering or sins. Seems to me that this is more about you than I, so maybe it's you who should do some serious introspection, including why you are so willing to try and find excuses for the utter depravity that Trump repeated has spouted and acted on. Do his rallies in any way reflect Jesus' "Sermon On the Mount"? Which is the one you truly follow because you cannot believe in both?

IOW, "Physician, heal thyself".

Okay you clearly are in denial of a great deal of reality. I'll stop bothering to try to explain things to you. If you are this unwilling to understand that are not in line with your chosen narrative reason and evidence are not helpful to you.

 

[metis]

Okay you clearly are in denial of a great deal of reality. I'll stop bothering to try to explain things to you. If you are this unwilling to understand that are not in line with your chosen narrative reason and evidence are not helpful to you.

Hey, you have the right to believe in any untruth you choose to do, but then maybe change your screenname here at RF. I have asked for your evidence on a couple of different matters recently and got no response.

If you don't like my posts, consider putting me on your "Ignore List".

But again, you will have to decide who you really want to love and defend: Jesus or Trump, because you simply cannot do both. Let me know what you decide, OK? If not, then I just have to draw my own tentative conclusion, I guess.

 

[Truth in love]

Hey, you have the right to believe in any untruth you choose to do, but then maybe change your screenname here at RF. I have asked for your evidence on a couple of different matters recently and got no response.

If you don't like my posts, consider putting me on your "Ignore List".

But again, you will have to decide who you really want to love and defend: Jesus or Trump, because you simply cannot do both. Let me know what you decide, OK? If not, then I just have to draw my own tentative conclusion, I guess.

I've posted the vid of Biden's confession and bragging about extortion and you flatly deny it.