Do You Believe In God, Why? Don't You Believe In God, Why?

[Skywalker]

But he was hardly unique. Charismatic preachers are common, and miraculous healers and wonder workers are common features in many religions.
And, of course, all this preaching and healing is just hearsay, innit? Stories told, edited and modified through the years to suit the purposes of the various storytellers.

Preachers, healers, and wonder workers were not as forgiving as Jesus.

 

[Skywalker]

Then you make God unneeded. What you are describing is merely nature.

I meant that without God the elements that make up the snowflake couldn't exist.

 

[metis]

I'm voting for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Thank you, but do you want me with meat or marinara sauce?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I meant that without God the elements that make up the snowflake couldn't exist.

And you evidence for this is . . . ?

You need to be able to support your claims to argue persurasively.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thank you, but do you want me with meat or marinara sauce?

Definitely marinara sauce. Meat sauce and meatballs is a bit too much.

 

[Skywalker]

And you evidence for this is . . . ?

You need to be able to support your claims to argue persurasively.

The properties in a self existing singularity could not give rise to an element like H20 because when nature is not taken care of, it becomes chaotic, like with deer overpopulation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A car cannot spontaneously assemble.

The evidence indicates that life can.

 

[Skywalker]

The evidence indicates that life can.

Bacteria that evolves on meat amounts to nothing but decayed meat.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The properties in a self existing singularity could not give rise to an element like H20 because when nature is not taken care of, it becomes chaotic, like with deer overpopulation.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. This only indicates a misunderstanding of the sciences on a basic level, this is such an odd mixture.

Deer population is chaotic because of man, not because of nature. The variation without man was hardly chaotic.

 

[Polymath257]

Nor does what ultimately caused the properties of nature to come into existence.

Why do you think they have not simply always existed? At least, whenever there was time?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Bacteria that evolves on meat amounts to nothing but decayed meat.

So what? Bacteria have been evolving for billions of years. Why don't you take some time to learn the basics of all of the sciences?

 

[Skywalker]

Why do you think they have not simply always existed? At least, whenever there was time?

A singularity would not have creative powers.

 

[Skywalker]

So what? Bacteria have been evolving for billions of years. Why don't you take some time to learn the basics of all of the sciences?

Those bacteria never evolved into anything other than bacteria. If anything they are an exception to the rule.

 

[Skywalker]

And how do you know this?

And worse yet what if someone thought that was not beautiful? That should refute your God.

If cases to the opposite do not refute your God then your test is of no use. Trust me, there are people that would look at that and not find it beautiful. Some would think it was far too cold. Some would be afraid of the heights that is implies. Your test is of no merit.

Beauty is relative to an extent but some things we know are confusion.

 

[Skywalker]

The laws of chemistry and entropy.

The singularity did not have the creative powers to establish those laws of order.

 

[Polymath257]

That doesn't explain the origins of those chemicals. How do the laws of physics cause compounds to be chemically inert and attract each other?

Well, one of the laws of physics is that charged particles attract if they are opposite charges and repel if they are the same charge.

The electrons in an atom are negatively charged and the nuclei are positively charged. That means that an electron can be simultaneously attracted to two different nuclei, which is what a molecular bind *is*.

For example, water is two atoms of hydrogen bonded to one atom of oxygen. it is the properties of the electrons and nuclei of the hydrogen and oxygen that determine the type and direction of the bonds. That then determines how those water molecules will line up with there are a lot of them. That is what produces the ordered structures of ice (and snow).

Similar things are true of other chemicals like methane, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, etc. These are VERY common in the universe *because* they spontaneously form.

So, yes it does explain the origins of those chemicals.

 

[metis]

Definitely marinara sauce. Meat sauce and meatballs is a bit too much.

I prefer the marinara as well, but my wife likes the meat sauce more, so guess what we're having for dinner?

BTW, my favorite is an uncooked tomato sauce HEAVILY laced with fresh garlic (it's gotta bite!), fresh basil, olive oil, ground roasted almonds, spooned over hot thin pasta and served with good-quality parmesan.

However, do not go out socially after eating.

 

[Polymath257]

There are no fossil records of intermediate organs nor is it possible for them to exist. People don't have intermediate organs in the embryo.

I have a suspicion that you don't understand what it means to be an 'intermediate organ'. They are *fully functional* organs, that might well have *different* functions before and after a mutation. They certainly can and do exist.

In a sense, ALL organs are intermediate: they are intermediate between the organs of our ancestors and those of our progeny.

 

[Polymath257]

Nor does what ultimately caused the properties of nature to come into existence.

I think those are inherent in nature itself. They did NOT 'come into existence. Whenever matter and energy (and time) have existed, those properties of matter, energy, and time have as well.

 

[Polymath257]

The singularity did not have the creative powers to establish those laws of order.

Once again, I have the suspicion you don't understand what it means to be a 'singularity' in that sense.

The laws of nature are inherent in the universe. The parts of the universe have properties, and those properties mean that structure will spontaneously arise.