If Jesus died for our sins without suffering what he did would have meaningless, because there had to be a price paid for Jesus dying on the cross to be a real self sacrifice. Jesus did pay a real price for our sins. It wasn't a symbolic act like the swoon theory.
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Do You Believe In God, Why? Don't You Believe In God, Why?
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If Jesus died for our sins without suffering what he did would have meaningless, because there had to be a price paid for Jesus dying on the cross to be a real self sacrifice. Jesus did pay a real price for our sins. It wasn't a symbolic act like the swoon theory.
A judge taking the place of his son is not theatrics or an insult to justice.
That supports what I said about Jesus suffering for our sins. Other people being crucified has nothing to do with Jesus dying for our sins.
But God could.
OK, so he had a bad day. He also knew it was going to be over quickly. He knew after a few days, at most, he would be back to his glorious self with no harm done. And he *could* have just negated the law (his own law, after all). But instead he went for theatrics.
Actually, under the situation a deity being the judge, it is certainly theatrics. And either way it *is* an insult to justice: blame cannot be transferred in that way.
Trailblazer
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Tell me about it.
When will it end?
Trailblazer
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What terrible suffering? You act as if Jesus is the only man who ever died on a cross.
The second person of the Trinity stepped down from his glory.
Male and female reflect different aspects of the image of God but God is not a man. That doesn't mean that God could not become a man if he wanted to.
Jesus meant that no man can see the Father. Moses spoke with Jesus, the angel of the Lord, not God the Father.
How does that diminish its value?
Why was the suffering required in the first place? So that God could forgive everyone? Why not just do so?
Trailblazer
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I never said it did, but it does mean that others suffered the same way, and they never even got any credit for it.
Trailblazer
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I didn't say it did.
Those other people were not God and never could have died for our sins.
Not a huge sacrifice for a deity.
All the more making their suffering greater than Jesus'.
Others suffering the same way as Jesus doesn't take away from what he did. Many people went through slavery but that doesn't make it any less terrible.
In his humanity he suffered as we did. In order to pay the price for our sin and for the sacrifice to have any meaning, he would have to have suffered like a man.
Many people have died from cancer. Does that diminish the value of Saint Jude commercials?
Those aren't/weren't deities. If anything, it means more from a person who is not a deity.