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Do You Believe in God?

JoStories

Well-Known Member
According to science reality is a lie, or at least what we perceive to be 'true' isn't. Here is one example of many; matter, ordinary things constructed of atoms such as a building or a floor in the building is mostly empty space . Even our bodies, being matter, contains over 95% 'empty' space! Another example; we don't 'live' in the 'present' moment, but our brain is designed to trick us into thinking we do. What we perceive as the present moment is, according to the universe is already in the past. Quantum physics relies on the uncertainty principle to describe reality at very tiny levels. So we can accurately say nothing is 100% a sure thing. It follows nothing material is anywhere near fully provable to be 'true', by true I mean nothing is as it seems and nothing can be proven beyond a doubt to exist etc. So considering the latter nuances of matter and everyday life to this member God is as believable, and as certain to exist as anything else in the universe.

1. How does matter or space 'prove' God? They are merely parts of nature and what constitutes who and what we are, or other parts of our world are.
2. You may not live in the present moment; IE: reality, but Buddhists are taught that there is only the present moment. As Rafiki (Sp?) of the Lion King said, 'its in the past, it does not matter' (paraphrased). And how can one live in the future? It is only NOW that matters. If I hit you with a rock, I can pretty much guarantee that you will believe that that rock is real. The headache alone will prove that. Assigning such principles to God is unrealistic in this manner. Reality, matter, even empty space, are scientifically provable concepts. Or do you deny the trees that give you shade, or the rain that waters your garden? Do you consider them fantasies?
 

syo

Well-Known Member
Do you believe in God (or a supreme being higher than yourself)?

If you don't, then how come? What is it that you believe as far as this is concerned?

If you do, then how come? What do you call him? IS God a "him" or a "her"? And how many are there according to your belief?
yes, because it makes sense
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Do you believe in God (or a supreme being higher than yourself)?
I don't find the concept advisable, myself. It is far too easily abused, far too vaguely defined. So no.

If you don't, then how come? What is it that you believe as far as this is concerned?
God-beliefs are an interesting topic for neurology and anthropology to study.

Religion, however, should learn better than to give them a lot of weight.
If you do, then how come? What do you call him? IS God a "him" or a "her"? And how many are there according to your belief?

As many as anyone feels like at any given moment. Creating and destroying Gods is very easy and almost unavoidable.
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
There is no more evidence to prove "God" than there is to disprove that concept. .

Hi JoStories, I was beginning to think my font was invisible, or everyone had me on ignore. I suppose I rubbed some key members empirical fur the wrong way. Anyway, onward to your reply ; with all due respect I partly disagree about the evidence being equal. I agree its difficult to prove Gods existence by producing the one type of evidence most atheists or agnostics will accept. That would be empirical evidence. Likewise its even more difficult to show empirical evidence that God does not exist. So the best thing is that both sides allow all types of evidences in debate within reason, much like the kinds of evidence's allowable in a criminal court trial. If a defendant can receive a death penalty on the weight of allowable evidences those same types of evidence should be allowed and accepted as valid in debate. Of course some types evidences would inherently carry more merit that others. I am sure such an agreement would produce much better and more productive debate.

It all boils down to belief.

I agree but maybe not for the reason that seems apparent. In my opinion not only do those of us with religious convictions require belief any one that is conscious regardless of their worldviews, religion, or none etc relies on some type of faith or belief to function in this existence. The only difference may, and I cautiously say may, may be those with certain worldviews paradigms etc have faiths/beliefs that require a virtual kaleidoscope in number types and flavors of evidences to support their reality. Are you still awake? Lol! So that brings us back to where I made the point (even if it was rather weak, which is a near necessity in a forum format), that all of reality is suspect to small degrees to larger degrees in things such as some fantastic science theory like the MWT where every imaginable thing will or has happened. Don't laugh. Want unicorns? It will happen somewhere at some time, ....to be continued

WTF?

I am still learning this win 10 and I don't like the inspector element! It just caused me to LOSE most of my post to you! Anyway 45 min shot to sheol! I will post this atrial reply anyway and I hope to find the rest......I want my old word processer and Microsoft works as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry Jo
 
I protect myself from such things including the false prophets, the husker's, the evangelical con men, and other mortals and demons that would harm us/you either for their own gain or by accident of ignorance etc.

I don't blame you for that. When I first departed from the christian religious belief system, I wondered if I would be susceptable to illness, would bad things happen to me that I would be unable to handle, would I cease to prosper, would "all hell break loose" in my life. I found that life proceeded as normal, and even got better since I was free from religious chains that had me bound.

I don't think you read the whole thing.

I read your response; I was quoting that line because it reminded me of how my parents were my first teachers who taught me about SANTA CLAUS, who only rewrded nice children with toys and goodies, but who rewarded naughty children with coal for gifts. It reminded me of how my parents whom I trusted never to mislead me, taught me about a TOOTH FAIRY who rewarded good little boys and girls with cash money in exchange for their baby teeth placed under a pillow, but only if those children were well-behaved. It also reminded me that it was my parents who taught me about a GOD who rewards the obedient and righteous with prosperity and an eternal home in heaven, but punished disobedient evil-doers to eternal damnation.

Santa claus, the Tooth Fairy, the existence of God are all things parents instill in their young developing children to encourage good behavior by mind control and manipulation through the influence of fear, and it wasn't just my parents, but parents around the globe, even to this day, deceiving their children, insgtalling falseties into young impressionable minds, who grow up maintaining those beliefs until they eventually discover that there is no Santa, there are no fairies, and as for God? Well, what do you think??

Children go to school and their child peers are all in agreeance - can't wait until Christmas when Santa Claus is coming to town, sharing stories of how the Tooth Fairy swapped their teeth for coins and cash, and are taken to church to be further trained in mainstream teachings all around the globe.

Like childhood fairy tales and fables accepted worldwide to control behavior in children, religion is sanctioned by the government to congtrol the masses.

Do you know HOW MANY letters with special requests I and other children ignorantly mailed to the North Pole???

Have you any IDEA of how many sleepless nights I spent with a tooth under my pillow waiting to catch a fairy with a purse???

And, wow, the ultimate, you couldn't even BEGIN to have a clue of how many prayers I cried out to an entity who never talks back!!!

Yes, because I have had too many experiences that lead me to believe that there is something out there greater than me, you and all of us.

How do you know that that something greater than us you say is "out there" is actually WITHIN us? So many people are taught to believe that it must only be an external force influencing our lives towards healing, miracles and the like, when it very-well could be internal powers inside of us that create our realities, but perhaps those powers in the mass of religiosity lie dormant and lifeless within them because those truths have not been taught to them. It's like having a basement or attic full of gold and valuable treasures but only accepting a life of poverty on the first and second floors, never even going into that attic or basement to know what's always been availabe to them there just waiting to be used.

Perhaps we will all be convinced.

Perhaps. And perhaps not. As for me, in spite of my religious and spiritual experiences of the past, I do believe that it is going to happen exactly as John reported while he was on the no-man's land of Patmos recording what we know as the book of Revelations: I do also believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that it will be as it is written in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
1. How does matter or space 'prove' God? They are merely parts of nature and what constitutes who and what we are, or other parts of our world are.

I was simply demonstrating that reality isn't as it seems. So science is no better equipped than metaphysics to determine real truth.
2. You may not live in the present moment; IE: reality, but Buddhists are taught that there is only the present moment. As Rafiki (Sp?) of the Lion King said, 'its in the past, it does not matter' (paraphrased). And how can one live in the future? It is only NOW that matters. If I hit you with a rock, I can pretty much guarantee that you will believe that that rock is real. The headache alone will prove that. Assigning such principles to God is unrealistic in this manner. Reality, matter, even empty space, are scientifically provable concepts. Or do you deny the trees that give you shade, or the rain that waters your garden? Do you consider them fantasies?

2. You may not live in the present moment; IE: reality, but Buddhists are taught that there is only the present moment. As Rafiki (Sp?) of the Lion King said, 'its in the past, it does not matter' (paraphrased). And how can one live in the future? It is only NOW that matters. If I hit you with a rock, I can pretty much guarantee that you will believe that that rock is real. The headache alone will prove that. Assigning such principles to God is unrealistic in this manner. Reality, matter, even empty space, are scientifically provable concepts. Or do you deny the trees that give you shade, or the rain that waters your garden? Do you consider them fantasies?

The unreality of time is not apparent due to the speed we are moving in relation to each other (observers). And there are two reasons we think we live in the present moment when it is already gone. One is the speed of nerve impulses ie the optic nerves vs the true speed of the event. The other is time dilation as per Einstein and Godel. For example even at the speed light we see the stars as they were in their past. We see them as they were thousands or more years ago, some are seen by hubble as they were billions you years ago. So they might not even be there now. You would be looking at a star that doesn't look like that now or it may be gone and not even exist. As for the trees and rock comment think about this for a moment. How do you know I am real? Your brain may be creating your reality! I don't believe that theory, which is called solipsism. Here is a much better definition.....

Metaphysical solipsism

Metaphysical solipsism is the variety of idealism which asserts that nothing exists externally to this one mind, and since this mind is the whole of reality then the "external world" was never anything more than an idea. It can also be expressed by the assertion "there is nothing external to these present experiences", in other words, no reality exists beyond whatever is presently being sensed.

Basically I was making a case that all evidences should be allowed in debate...and that science is considering all not the best method for discovery in every situation.
 

Aiviu

Active Member
Do you believe in God (or a supreme being higher than yourself)?

If you don't, then how come? What is it that you believe as far as this is concerned?

If you do, then how come? What do you call him? IS God a "him" or a "her"? And how many are there according to your belief?

Yes i do.

God is in the awakening. I know that there is God as of now. Its the ether of life and the ether of the heaven which we are able to sense as love. There is the awakening of God in us. A kind of recognition towards God.

For me its a Him. Even if i think today its more than that. But "Him" still has a truth as i am a still a child who He had given me consciousness of His love.
1.) i had no father to grow up with. And there even was no one to be accepted as mine.
2.) i see the true love as this sort of love from a real father to his son. Not much words about it but shown in evidence of their time together.

I think everyone would belief it too but their second truth seems always having a prior.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Interesting comment. Would you explain why you think that?
I've had some experiences that made it apparent to me that because we are humans, there is much that is simply outside of our scope of perception. But I don't know what that is, or what those are, and I certainly do not have sufficient information to label such thing(s) as a god.
 

NadiaMoon

Member
Out of curiosity, do you follow the wiccan religious belief system?



Thank you. It's by fluke I wound up here. My intentions were to start another "Message Board" at Beliefnet.com after being away for more than 7 years, only to find they revised the site, took out all log-in and administrative abilities, and I couldn't find a place where I could found and administer another popping group. I thought it was my calling but I guess the internet doesn't agree.



Interesting comment. Would you explain why you think that?


I do not. I am Pagan, not Wiccan.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Do you believe in God (or a supreme being higher than yourself)?

Nope. I actually know there are no gods. Not believing in them is far too weak a statement.

If you don't, then how come?

I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose - Clarence Darrow

What is it that you believe as far as this is concerned?

I am a metaphysical naturalist.

If you do, then how come? What do you call him? IS God a "him" or a "her"? And how many are there according to your belief?

Not applicable.

Ciao

- viole

P.s. On second thought. I think S. Ibrahimovic is God. He just scored a goal, which is a clear sign. :)
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Do you believe in God (or a supreme being higher than yourself)?

If you don't, then how come? What is it that you believe as far as this is concerned?

If you do, then how come? What do you call him? IS God a "him" or a "her"? And how many are there according to your belief?
Yes. Because I'm Jewish. The Name. Neither. One.
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
Nope. I actually know there are no gods. Not believing in them is far too weak a statement.
I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose - Clarence Darrow

Well my friend, I hope you don't put much trust in certain scientific disciplines, because several key theories that seem designed to bring theories of the universes origins back to the sterile and exclusionary halls (labyrinths?) of science. These theories of how the universe began (it didn't begin, its eternal they say) do not contain even one theistic implication! In fact they even seem to gleefully conclude God is not needed to explain stuff...(they hope) Well well I thought the first time I read Hawkins new theory that eliminates Gid, God or anything remotely metaphysical. However one of the most reverred new theory of a godless creation is the MWI. The easiest way to highlight whats wrong with this theory is that iy is a freakin' silly piece of crap that insults our intelligence. Yes I am speaking of the many worlds interpretation/theory. I cant candy coat that awful bit of anti-wisdom! Whoever said excreta logs are polish resistant must of been thinking that the MWI looks like a log of excreta. The theory ijs not fixable, just like stupid isn't fixable. really all kidding aside, the MWI requires massive faith to believe. Want an example of an MWI infearance? Here goes, according to the MWI every conceivable or imaginable event or thing, everything and I mean everything like Dalmer and ted bundy get married after they are raised from the dead not only can happen they MUST happen. So my friend science tells us evertthing will sooner or later happen. Oh Yesssss, if thre MWI is correct you just might get to see a real tooth fairy and that freakin' Goose! You will believe in all those childhood apparitions and others exist! well, thats the truth according to SCIENCE ! Yeah give me some more of that stuff! Really now, those naive souls that measure their own reality (and sanity I suspect) from what the SCIENTIFIC tells them shouldn't beat up on me I and other Christians that mold their reality from the absolute rock of Gids/Gods truth.


I am a metaphysical naturalist.

Can you expand on that a bit?
Not applicable.

Ciao

- viole

P.s. On second thought. I think S. Ibrahimovic is God. He just scored a goal, which is a clear sign. :)

Do you mean Z Ibrahimovic? If yes, Isn't he catholic? Lol, too bad

* Many WorldsInterpertation propoents;Stephen Hawking,[16] Brian Greene,[17][18] Max Tegmark,[19] Alan Guth,[20] Andrei Linde,[21] Michio Kaku,[22] David Deutsch,[23] Leonard Susskind,[24] Alexander Vilenkin,[25] Yasunori Nomura,[26] Raj Pathria,[27] Laura Mersini-Houghton,[28][29] Neil deGrasse Tyson,[30] and Sean Carroll.[31]
(from stikie' wikie' woo HOO)

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