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Do you believe in reincarnation or rebirth?

Do you believe in reincarnation?


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crazyrussian

No stranger to this topic
Do you believe in reincarnation or rebirth?

Jesus taught reincarnation/regeneration, but Christians dumped this doctrine from the bible cannon gospels due to lack of understanding. See Below.


The Regeneration Of The Soul

"1. JESUS sat in the porch of the Temple, and some came to learn his doctrine, and one
said unto him, Master, what teaches thou concerning life? 2. And he said unto them, Blessed are they who suffer many experiences, for they shall be made perfect through suffering: they shall be as the angels of God in Heaven and shall die no more, neither shall they be born any more, for death and birth have no more dominion over them. 3. They who have suffered and overcome shall be made Pillars in the Temple of my God, and they shall go out no more. Verily I say unto you, except ye be born again of water and of fire, ye cannot see the kingdom of God. 4. And a certain Rabbi (Nicodemus) came unto him by night for fear of the Jews, and said unto him. How can a man be born again when he is old? can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born again? 5. Jesus answered, Verily I say unto you except a man be born again of flesh and of spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and ye hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell whence it cometh or whither it goeth. 6. The light shineth from the East even unto the West; out of the darkness, the Sun ariseth and goeth down into darkness again; so is it with man, from the ages unto the ages. 7. When it cometh from the darkness, it is that he hath lived before, and when it goeth down again into darkness, it is that he may rest for a little, and thereafter again exist. 8. So through many changes must ye be made perfect, as it is written in the book of Job, I am a wanderer, changing place after place and house after house, until I come unto the City and Mansion which is eternal. 9. And Nicodemus said unto him, How can these things be? And Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a teacher in Israel, and understandeth not these things? Verily we speak that which we do know, and bear witness to that which we have seen, and ye receive not our witness. 10. If I have told you of earthly things and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you of Heavenly things? No man hath ascended into Heaven, but he that descended out of Heaven, even the Son-Daughter of man which is in Heaven."
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
We who do not exist as inheritors of deceased people's identities.
But that is not what most reincarnationists are saying. We believe each incarnation starts a clean-slate. It is the soul that holds the memory of the string of identities.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Perceived as credible.

But it is not credible in any way shape or form.
I read a lot of Dr. Ian Stevenson and think he is very credible. WHY is it not credible in any way shape or form?

LOL....has anyone that seriously challenges the atheist-materialist worldview ever been credible in your eyes? I think I see a pattern of prejudice perhaps....just maybe. You might even go to a skeptical website and parrot whatever negative things you can find; just a guess.
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
But that is not what most reincarnationists are saying. We believe each incarnation starts a clean-slate. It is the soul that holds the memory of the string of identities.

That does seem to be the Hindu take on the concept, indeed.

As I said previously, though, that idea ends up having the hardest of times finding firm ground between the chasms of the terrain of having no discernible consequences and that of being unrealistic.

Then again, I can't claim to ever have understood what the concept of reincarnation entails.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
That does seem to be the Hindu take on the concept, indeed.

As I said previously, though, that idea ends up having the hardest of times finding firm ground between the chasms of the terrain of having no discernible consequences and that of being unrealistic.

Then again, I can't claim to ever have understood what the concept of reincarnation entails.

I and the other poster are just challenging your earlier statement.

It is, in essence, claiming that something that we know not to be true must somehow be true anyway.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
What is your take on the matter?
My take on the matter is I believe in reincarnation and detailed my understanding and beliefs in post #20.

I am very interested in this subject and to this day I have never even heard a clear explanation of rebirth as different than reincarnation. Many Rebirth proponents believe the mind stream continues on without a soul but then I question by what mechanism can such a thing take place and nobody to this date has claimed to really know.

(btw; as advaita, I believe in an impermanent soul that lasts for many, many lower plane experiences but eventually merges into its source)

My take is Rebirth=Reincarnation
 
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crazyrussian

No stranger to this topic
That is unsubstantiated.

That is your personal opinion, nothing more.
Jesus was a Jew, Re-incarnation is a Jewish concept. I find it fascinating that ancient recordings quote Jesus as teaching such.

It makes perfect sense that it would be a teaching of Jesus. This would allow for the current spiritual famine we are in and yet no soul intended to be saved would be lost.

The doctrine of Jesus and his plan of salvation for the fallen could only work if Re-incarnation was a reality!
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
That does seem to be the Hindu take on the concept, indeed.

As I said previously, though, that idea ends up having the hardest of times finding firm ground between the chasms of the terrain of having no discernible consequences and that of being unrealistic.

Then again, I can't claim to ever have understood what the concept of reincarnation entails.
The erudite Hindu understanding wrt reincarnation is that the personal identity does not reincarnate...it is the spiritual soul that has the synthesized evolved awareness resulting from the experience of all previous lifetimes that reincarnates.

Your admission of not having any real understanding of what the concept of reincarnation means is an honest acknowledgement...admirable.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
The erudite Hindu understanding wrt reincarnation is that the personal identity does not reincarnate...it is the spiritual soul that has the synthesized evolved awareness resulting from the experience of all previous lifetimes that reincarnates.
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That was nicely said.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The erudite Hindu understanding wrt reincarnation is that the personal identity does not reincarnate...it is the spiritual soul that has the synthesized evolved awareness resulting from the experience of all previous lifetimes that reincarnates.

Your admission of not having any real understanding of what the concept of reincarnation means is an honest acknowledgement...admirable.

If you say so.
 
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