Do you believe in the afterlife?

[robocop (actually)]

If I might ask, what is it that you think makes the LDS afterlife the best?

(p.s. I had written LSD, and I had to go back and edit the post, I am very loopy today. )

They let you be a God under the supervision of God.

You get to participate in controlling the Universe and creating Universe. What could be more fun?

Certainly better than sex.

 

[MatthewA]

No. We know it for sure that afterlife exists, and that it is a chemical afterlife. What I am constituted of is eternal, it cannot be destroyed. It has been around for some 14.78 billion years.
Why did you not attend the science lessons in school that you might have known more? All your doubts are because of that. You say repeatedly that you do not know for sure if afterlife exists but even then believe in a God, Jesus , judgment, heavenly kingdoms! If no afterlife exists, then God, Jesus and heavenly kingdoms are all imagined.
I know of a Jerusalem where Ben (Benjamin Netanyahu) ruled for the last so many years. I hear that there is going to be a new king there.
Why have subjective beliefs and why not objective beliefs? Why do you want to be a bundle of contradictions?

I haven’t died yet my hope is to go on to see God and the Lord Jesus Christ though. I don’t know if afterlife exist but it something I believe in being resurrected again to see though.

 

[Spirit of Light]

What would be real life after this life?
What do you mean by belief is not enough is that in the Christian sense of believing and having faith and looking at the Lord Jesus Christ who came, lived, died, was buried and risen again and to willingly loving God and others?
You don’t believe everyone will end up in the same place? What does that mean to you?

In the Christian understanding believing and having faith in God and the Lord Jesus Christ is enough to receive the kingdom of heaven (with in us / the Holy Spirit/spirit of Christ) here on this earth. To have peace with God and live willingly to show love towards God and towards others. Regardless of their moral behavior for all have been forgiven just not all believe or have been transformed by the spirit of Christ/holy spiritual because of not believing or having faith.

(of course this is my subjective view from the objective truth the Bible brings forth on these topics)
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Afterlife in my understanding is when we live without a physical body, but there is not only heaven one can end up in when the physical life is over. Paradise is one place one can enter if one has done everything the way the teaching ask of us is (depending on what teaching you follow,) different place within paradise)

If one have totally not given a crap about changing once self according to the teaching and only done bad/immoral in human life, then Hell or similar torment awaiting us.

Thirdly if one has been not "good enough" to enter heaven and not "bad enough" to enter Hell, maybe one enter somewhere in between.

 

[MatthewA]

Afterlife in my understanding is when we live without a physical body, but there is not only heaven one can end up in when the physical life is over. Paradise is one place one can enter if one has done everything the way the teaching ask of us is (depending on what teaching you follow,) different place within paradise)

If one have totally not given a crap about changing once self according to the teaching and only done bad/immoral in human life, then Hell or similar torment awaiting us.

Thirdly if one has been not "good enough" to enter heaven and not "bad enough" to enter Hell, maybe one enter somewhere in between.

So do you believe that morals are the highest thing in which we are judged by? To me in the Christian faith God judges based on faith and love. (If a person goes to God and never believe or cared I would suggest that if that person said I never wanted anything to do with you they would be given a resurrected body and placed outside the kingdom of heaven they had no faith and did not care about God anyway)

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I’m banking on the idea by faith of hopes of the resurrection by God after dying from this life here on earth. I can not prove that the afterlife exists but am banking on going their by and through faith on the Lord Jesus Christ by my willingly choice to have faith and believe.

Do you have doubt in your belief in God and in Jesus's resurrection, or just doubt in the afterlife? How would you react if you, hypothetical, found out for certain that there wasn't an afterlife? What if you knew for sure that death would be the end of your existence?

My question is do you believe in the afterlife?
A second question is their judgement going into your afterlife that you believe in?

There are things that die but they were never real to begin with, just clumps of Form in a cloud of Change that label themselves... Things are no more real than words, and we are things. There is only one thing that will never die, and that is what we really are.

 

[RestlessSoul]

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.

- TS Elliot

 

[Aupmanyav]

Who says there is no relevance or purpose?

Many. Wikipedia says some 500 million who make around 7% of the world population. The unaffilated constitute 16% of the world population. Purpose is what we assign to life. You seem to live in a shell.

 

[Trailblazer]

My view that in some mysterious way God will enable us to estimate our own deeds, but God doesn't directly judge us. My view on this in part is derived from what I've heard from Near Death Experiences. Remember also that there are those will receive their own punishment if they are a certain way.

Wholly for the sake of God he should proclaim His Message, and with that same spirit accept whatever response his words may evoke in his hearer. He who shall accept and believe, shall receive his reward; and he who shall turn away, shall receive none other than his own punishment.
Bahá’u’lláh, "Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh", 161.2

Do you think that NDEs are more accurate than what Baha'u'llah wrote?

That is what I always thought till I read what Baha'u'llah wrote. What do you think of this part at the end of that passage I posted to Mathew? Who will be asking us and repaying us if not God?

"Ye shall be asked of the things your hands have wrought in this, your vain life, and shall be repaid for your doings. This is the day that shall inevitably come upon you, the hour that none can put back. To this the Tongue of Him that speaketh the truth and is the Knower of all things hath testified.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 125

And what do you make of this? Who will be rejecting our pleas if not God?

“Suffer not yourselves to be wrapt in the dense veils of your selfish desires, inasmuch as I have perfected in every one of you My creation, so that the excellence of My handiwork may be fully revealed unto men. It follows, therefore, that every man hath been, and will continue to be, able of himself to appreciate the Beauty of God, the Glorified. Had he not been endowed with such a capacity, how could he be called to account for his failure? If, in the Day when all the peoples of the earth will be gathered together, any man should, whilst standing in the presence of God, be asked: “Wherefore hast thou disbelieved in My Beauty and turned away from My Self,” and if such a man should reply and say: “Inasmuch as all men have erred, and none hath been found willing to turn his face to the Truth, I, too, following their example, have grievously failed to recognize the Beauty of the Eternal,” such a plea will, assuredly, be rejected. For the faith of no man can be conditioned by any one except himself.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 143

 

[Spirit of Light]

So do you believe that morals are the highest thing in which we are judged by? To me in the Christian faith God judges based on faith and love. (If a person goes to God and never believe or cared I would suggest that if that person said I never wanted anything to do with you they would be given a resurrected body and placed outside the kingdom of heaven they had no faith and did not care about God anyway)

Moral is a part of it, but love and compassion is the basis for good moral in my understanding, in my understanding seen from a sufi point of view, one has to become like god to be with God.Then one has reached oneness with God. That is the moment one enter in to heaven (even before physical death happens)

 

[Trailblazer]

I posed a question on another thread of who founded and wrote about the Baha’i faith: hope someone will come answer the question ; because I just curious about it. It would be a subjective view point from the Baha’i faith and not your opinion, if you are saying is what you are really believing in my own eyes.

I don’t judge or condemn anyone and everyone had the right to see things they choose to. Thank you again trailblazer.

I did not have time to respond after you posted that other thread. Didn't Adrian say that Baha'u'llah was the founder of the Baha'i Faith? That is what I also believe. Later, after Baha'u'llah died, people wrote about the Baha'i Faith.

 

[Aupmanyav]

He who shall accept and believe, shall receive his reward; and he who shall turn away, shall receive none other than his own punishment."

Sure, Bahai Allah is after all the God of Abraham. He punishes. Some one said Bahai Allah is all peace and love. I knew it will not be like that. Nothing new under the sun.

Trailblazer: "Who will be rejecting our pleas if not God?"

 

[Trailblazer]

Moral is a part of it, but love and compassion is the basis for good moral in my understanding, in my understanding seen from a sufi point of view, one has to become like god to be with God.Then one has reached oneness with God. That is the moment one enter in to heaven (even before physical death happens)

That is not to dissimilar to the Baha'i beliefs, then again, Baha'u'llah was a Muslim and a mystic, even though He also had a practical side.

 

[Trailblazer]

Sure, Bahai Allah is after all the God of Abraham. He punishes. Some one said Bahai Allah is all peace and love. I knew it will not be like that. Nothing new under the sun.

Trailblazer: "Who will be rejecting our pleas if not God?"

I think it must refer to God. Who else could it be?

However, this passage refers to us punishing ourselves by turning away from Baha'u'llah:

“He who shall accept and believe, shall receive his reward; and he who shall turn away, shall receive none other than his own punishment.” Gleanings, p. 339

 

[Truthseeker]

Do you think that NDEs are more accurate than what Baha'u'llah wrote?

That is what I always thought till I read what Baha'u'llah wrote. What do you think of this part at the end of that passage I posted to Mathew? Who will be asking us and repaying us if not God?

"Ye shall be asked of the things your hands have wrought in this, your vain life, and shall be repaid for your doings. This is the day that shall inevitably come upon you, the hour that none can put back. To this the Tongue of Him that speaketh the truth and is the Knower of all things hath testified.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 125

And what do you make of this? Who will be rejecting our pleas if not God?

“Suffer not yourselves to be wrapt in the dense veils of your selfish desires, inasmuch as I have perfected in every one of you My creation, so that the excellence of My handiwork may be fully revealed unto men. It follows, therefore, that every man hath been, and will continue to be, able of himself to appreciate the Beauty of God, the Glorified. Had he not been endowed with such a capacity, how could he be called to account for his failure? If, in the Day when all the peoples of the earth will be gathered together, any man should, whilst standing in the presence of God, be asked: “Wherefore hast thou disbelieved in My Beauty and turned away from My Self,” and if such a man should reply and say: “Inasmuch as all men have erred, and none hath been found willing to turn his face to the Truth, I, too, following their example, have grievously failed to recognize the Beauty of the Eternal,” such a plea will, assuredly, be rejected. For the faith of no man can be conditioned by any one except himself.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 143

I don't know. This has to reconciled in some way with receiving our own punishment. I'm glad you brought up those passages. It gives me something to think about. I think I need to copy all of those passages and ponder them. You've thrown me a curve ball.

 

[Truthseeker]

Why have subjective beliefs and why not objective beliefs? Why do you want to be a bundle of contradictions?

No one is really objective in their views. We can strive to be objective, but we can't get there.

 

[Trailblazer]

They let you be a God under the supervision of God.

You get to participate in controlling the Universe and creating Universe. What could be more fun?

Certainly better than sex.

1. I don't think anyone except God can be a God.
2. I don't think anyone except God can control or create the Universe.
3. Neither 1 or 2 would be fun for me.
4. Lots of things are better than sex.

 

[robocop (actually)]

1. I don't think anyone except God can be a God.
2. I don't think anyone except God can control or create the Universe.
3. Neither 1 or 2 would be fun for me.
4. Lots of things are better than sex.

A God under God.
Then we control it with the law of science.
What about having humans to control like God?
OK.

 

[Trailblazer]

I don't know. This has to reconciled in some way with receiving our own punishment. I'm glad you brought up those passages. It gives me something to think about. I think I need to copy all of those passages and ponder them. You've thrown me a curve ball.

Let me know what you come up with as I trust your judgment on all things Baha'i. and other things too.

 

[MatthewA]

Moral is a part of it, but love and compassion is the basis for good moral in my understanding, in my understanding seen from a sufi point of view, one has to become like god to be with God.Then one has reached oneness with God. That is the moment one enter in to heaven (even before physical death happens)

The Christian way is to become conformed to the image of Christ by and through faith of having a willingness to love Jesus Christ and God and others.

By the spirit we are sanctified which in turn simmers our flesh down from the hateful greedy self serving person we are and can be. I know from my own experience my life has changed from having God and Christ in my life having a relationship with them.

Though if you believe that we are unable to have the spirit of God/holy spirit/ spirit of Christ in us; which is a truth and objectively true by and through faith and experience.

That is fine. I can’t be like God; but I can be like Christ with him living in me and conforming me into his image of having love, forgiveness having prayer life to the Father in heaven.

I’m a human being who makes mistakes and is imperfect and never will be morally righteous; Jesus Christ is my righteousness though and I place my trust and faith totally upon him, by believing the good news of Christ.

Thank you so much for taking time to talk to me eventually am going to try and move on from here and maybe visit time to time.

I did not have time to respond after you posted that other thread. Didn't Adrian say that Baha'u'llah was the founder of the Baha'i Faith? That is what I also believe. Later, after Baha'u'llah died, people wrote about the Baha'i Faith.

Oh he died, I got you thank you.

That is not to dissimilar to the Baha'i beliefs, then again, Baha'u'llah was a Muslim and a mystic, even though He also had a practical side.

That is informative.

No one is really objective in their views. We can strive to be objective, but we can't get there.

I believe their is an objective truth when it comes to Christ but living by faith is subjective.

 

[Trailblazer]

Oh he died, I got you thank you.

I hope you did not misunderstand me. The physical body of Baha'u'llah died just as the physical body of Jesus died, but both of them ascended to heaven where they both received spiritual bodies

I believe their is an objective truth when it comes to Christ but living by faith is subjective.

The same applies to me and my faith in Baha'u'llah and Jesus.