Do you believe in the afterlife?

[blü 2]

Why do you not have no idea? About what? Blu?

About the not just immense but infinite tedium of living forever without purpose or relevance.

Why would anyone volunteer for that?

Consider ─ human life has a course, birth, breeding, age, death. Life in other words has a deadline both literal and figurative, a reason to get on with things, and in that span, to everything there is a season.

Nope, not in heaven, though. As I said, tell me what you plan to do to pass the time for the first 500 billion years, and then we can discuss the long term. I'm serious, why would you volunteer for that?

 

[MatthewA]

I hope you did not misunderstand me. The physical body of Baha'u'llah died just as the physical body of Jesus died, but both of them ascended to heaven where they both received spiritual bodies

The same applies to me and my faith in Baha'u'llah and Jesus.

All I know is that 500 witness and the the disciple saw and touched the body of Jesus Christ before he ascended back to the Father; and that the Lord Jesus Christ when God became all in all; transfigured the Lord Jesus Christ into the Lord God Almighty and that he is the one who sits on the throne whom Christian believers are going to go and see at the end of this life according to the scriptures. I believe this, it’s my subjective believe looking at the Bible and what is objectively says about the Lord Jesus Christ,

I don’t believe in other gods or other people being god or anything like that. If you do okay I don’t agree with that but am okay with you as a living breathing human being who is trying to make it in this world one day at a time just like myself.

God bless you and take care.

 

[Aupmanyav]

“He who shall accept and believe, shall receive his reward; and he who shall turn away, shall receive none other than his own punishment.”

Ah, thanks. I must have a reason to believe anything. Otherwise, I do not buy anyone's snake-oil. I do not need any rewards from a God or Allah. I am happy without them.

 

[MatthewA]

About the not just immense but infinite tedium of living forever without purpose or relevance.

Why would anyone volunteer for that?

Consider ─ human life has a course, birth, breeding, age, death. Life in other words has a deadline both literal and figurative, a reason to get on with things, and in that span, to everything there is a season.

Nope, not in heaven, though. As I said, tell me what you plan to do to pass the time for the first 500 billion years, and then we can discuss the long term. I'm serious, why would you volunteer for that?

I hope to go and help people who are lost. I hope to go and help others after this life who may still be on the outside of the kingdom, and it would be a joy to go and have a purpose to help and serve them.

I like to help others and encourage people in the faith of God and Jesus Christ.

I love people they are interesting; I’m not perfect in my love (only Christ Jesus through me perfect in his love through me) but I believe that God by my willingness to live and serve him will accomplish his purpose in my life as I try to make it day by day one step at a time.

What do you wanna go do ?

 

[Aupmanyav]

No one is really objective in their views. We can strive to be objective, but we can't get there.

The religious don't ever even dare to try because it brings down their mansions in sky.

.. but both of them ascended to heaven where they both received spiritual bodies.

Who confirms that and how? From where you get all these stories? What are they doing now? Just whiling away time?

 

[Trailblazer]

All I know is that 500 witness and the the disciple saw and touched the body of Jesus Christ before he ascended back to the Father; and that the Lord Jesus Christ when God became all in all; transfigured the Lord Jesus Christ into the Lord God Almighty and that he is the one who sits on the throne whom Christian believers are going to go and see at the end of this life according to the scriptures. I believe this, it’s my subjective believe looking at the Bible and what is objectively says about the Lord Jesus Christ,

I do not believe that Jesus rose in a physical body but I understand why you believe that and I respect your right to believe that.

Jesus not rising physically does not make Jesus any less in my eyes because a physical body is just a physical body and a flesh body it is not who Jesus really was.

John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

[Mock Turtle]

No I don't believe in any afterlife - too many issues it tends to raise - like who or what was the first to enter such, if you accept the evolution of the human race that is? Does such an individual get free rounds at the bar? Or can no others understand the grunting?

(Yes, I do realise there probably won't be such a bar)

 

[Trailblazer]

Who confirms that and how? From where you get all these stories? What are they doing now? Just whiling away time?

Nobody can ever confirm that because it is a belief, not a fact.
I have no idea what they are doing now, but there is no time in the spiritual world so they are not whiling away time.

“A friend asked: “How should one look forward to death?”

‘Abdu’l-Bahá answered: “How does one look forward to the goal of any journey? With hope and with expectation. It is even so with the end of this earthly journey. In the next world, man will find himself freed from many of the disabilities under which he now suffers. Those who have passed on through death, have a sphere of their own. It is not removed from ours; their work, the work of the Kingdom, is ours; but it is sanctified from what we call ‘time and place.’ Time with us is measured by the sun. When there is no more sunrise, and no more sunset, that kind of time does not exist for man. Those who have ascended have different attributes from those who are still on earth, yet there is no real separation.”

‘Abdu’l-Bahá in London, pp. 95-96

 

[Trailblazer]

(Yes, I do realise there probably won't be such a bar)

No, there is nothing physical in the spiritual world so people had best do all their drinking and eating and etc. in this life.

 

[Mock Turtle]

No, there is nothing physical in the spiritual world so people had best do all their drinking and eating and etc. in this life.

Damn, plenty will miss this so much.

 

[Spirit of Light]

No, there is nothing physical in the spiritual world so people had best do all their drinking and eating and etc. in this life.

Just a thought, What if the spirit world is "physical" to them, but for us it is a non physical place? maybe life over there is similar to our world, but we can not understand it from our human way of thinking

 

[blü 2]

I hope to go and help people who are lost. I hope to go and help others after this life who may still be on the outside of the kingdom, and it would be a joy to go and have a purpose to help and serve them.

I like to help others and encourage people in the faith of God and Jesus Christ.

I love people they are interesting; I’m not perfect in my love (only Christ Jesus through me perfect in his love through me) but I believe that God by my willingness to live and serve him will accomplish his purpose in my life as I try to make it day by day one step at a time.

What do you wanna go do ?

But you don't seem to be taking duration into account.

The earth will cease to be habitable through natural processes in the next 300m years, with great certainty it won't be habitable in a billion years.

The universe itself one way or another, may well cease to exist in any form capable of life, whether in trillions or hundreds of trillions of years. That is truly Game Over.

And yet it's only the start for an infinite voyage. where there is NOTHING you haven't done a literal trillion times before, and not just still counting, but counting forever.

I'm not a volunteer.

 

[MatthewA]

But you don't seem to be taking duration into account.

The earth will cease to be habitable through natural processes in the next 300m years, with great certainty it won't be habitable in a billion years.

The universe itself one way or another, may well cease to exist in any form capable of life, whether in trillions or hundreds of trillions of years. That is truly Game Over.

And yet it's only the start for an infinite voyage. where there is NOTHING you haven't done a literal trillion times before, and not just still counting, but counting forever.

I'm not a volunteer.

Okay. That is fine then. Hope you enjoy the rest of your day/afternoon/night.

 

[MatthewA]

As human beings we are gonna do whatever we want.
All I know is God desires us to look towards Him and the Lord Jesus Christ to have spiritual relief in being that of having hope of an afterlife which is said to be far greater than anything here.

No more pain, No more tears, No more abuse to others.

What a wonderful thing,... this life filled with much of it and the only way to have peace even though we still suffer is looking towards God and the Lord Jesus Christ, all I know is as far as it has been made know the me to please God one must have faith, to get to the Father is to go through Christ.

The Bible is hard to read because our flesh hates anything that might have to do with learning about spiritual things. And Gods wisdom is far superior to earthly wisdom and you can find that in 1 Corinthians chapter 2.

We all have our own understanding and thoughts that only pertain to the earthly side until a person becomes reborn by the spirit.

The we become spiritual reborn and start loooking towards heavenly things which are presented by and through Christ Jesus by the spirit of God living within him.

I believe personally. Though if you really desire to looking to these things; my suggestion is to check out the Bible. It’s tough, and rough to go through but worth it in the end especially if you interested in these things.

 

[osgart]

I believe that everybody will be rewarded or punished according to Divine Justice but they will also receive their own reward according to what they chose to believe in this life and their chosen actions.

“O My servants! It behoveth you to refresh and revive your souls through the gracious favors which, in this Divine, this soul-stirring Springtime, are being showered upon you. The Day Star of His great glory hath shed its radiance upon you, and the clouds of His limitless grace have overshadowed you. How high the reward of him that hath not deprived himself of so great a bounty, nor failed to recognize the beauty of his Best-Beloved in this, His new attire.” Gleanings, p. 167

I believe that logically ther has ton be an afterlife and I sense that there is another world beyond this world. In fact, I have no question that there is one. Nothing else would make sense if God is loving and just, considering what some people had to endure in this life. And of course you already know my favorite passage.

“O My servants! Sorrow not if, in these days and on this earthly plane, things contrary to your wishes have been ordained and manifested by God, for days of blissful joy, of heavenly delight, are assuredly in store for you. Worlds, holy and spiritually glorious, will be unveiled to your eyes.You are destined by Him, in this world and hereafter, to partake of their benefits, to share in their joys, and to obtain a portion of their sustaining grace. To each and every one of them you will, no doubt, attain.” Gleanings, p. 329

If you do not think that supreme justice exists in the afterlife, where do you think it exists?

Ultimate justice eventually is in the heart of the living if they choose it. Love justice, and you are just. I do think there's a cause and effect of actions and intentions. I just don't think there is a grande judge overseeing things.

The intelligence I see in nature is like a program. It don't know or care about benevolence or charity. All it does is work it's way into creating life.

I think one day in eternity the living will eventually decide that justice is the peace, and the joy of living.

 

[MatthewA]

Here is that scripture I was talking about

1 Corinthians 2


2 Dear brothers and sisters, when I came to you, I did not come preaching God’s secret with fancy words or a show of human wisdom. 2 I decided that while I was with you I would forget about everything except Jesus Christ and his death on the cross. 3 So when I came to you, I was weak and fearful and trembling. 4 My teaching and preaching were not with words of human wisdom that persuade people but with proof of the power that the Spirit gives. 5 This was so that your faith would be in God’s power and not in human wisdom.

God’s Wisdom
6 However, I speak a wisdom to those who are mature. But this wisdom is not from this world or from the rulers of this world, who are losing their power. 7 I speak God’s secret wisdom, which he has kept hidden. Before the world began, God planned this wisdom for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this world understood it. If they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it is written in the Scriptures:

“No one has ever seen this,
and no one has ever heard about it.
No one has ever imagined
what God has prepared for those who love him.” Isaiah 64:4

10 But God has shown us these things through the Spirit.

The Spirit searches out all things, even the deep secrets of God.

 

[blü 2]

Okay. That is fine then. Hope you enjoy the rest of your day/afternoon/night.

At the very least, take a sudoko generator with you when you die.

Good luck!

 

[sayak83]

I posed a question on another thread of who founded and wrote about the Baha’i faith: hope someone will come answer the question ; because I just curious about it. It would be a subjective view point from the Baha’i faith and not your opinion, if you are saying is what you are really believing in my own eyes.

I don’t judge or condemn anyone and everyone had the right to see things they choose to. Thank you again trailblazer.



What would be real life after this life?
What do you mean by belief is not enough is that in the Christian sense of believing and having faith and looking at the Lord Jesus Christ who came, lived, died, was buried and risen again and to willingly loving God and others?
You don’t believe everyone will end up in the same place? What does that mean to you?

In the Christian understanding believing and having faith in God and the Lord Jesus Christ is enough to receive the kingdom of heaven (with in us / the Holy Spirit/spirit of Christ) here on this earth. To have peace with God and live willingly to show love towards God and towards others. Regardless of their moral behavior for all have been forgiven just not all believe or have been transformed by the spirit of Christ/holy spiritual because of not believing or having faith.

(of course this is my subjective view from the objective truth the Bible brings forth on these topics)



Interesting view thank you for sharing. I never heard of that entity before or know what that entity is about, would you be willingly to share a bit more?



I am looking forward to it as well also believe that one day my trips here will become less frequent in the coming week. Much love to every single person that have gotten to interact with, have enjoy the interaction.

A simple explanation of Brahman
What Does Brahman Mean in the Hindu Religion?

 

[Aupmanyav]

"It is even so with the end of this earthly journey. In the next world, .."

As always, no proof. Just a word salad.

 

[Deeje]

I’m banking on the idea by faith of hopes of the resurrection by God after dying from this life here on earth. I can not prove that the afterlife exists but am banking on going their by and through faith on the Lord Jesus Christ by my willingly choice to have faith and believe.

Faith and belief is all God asks of us. But it has to be faith and belief in the right things. Please do not forget that we have an adversary whose aim is to steer us off course with his lies. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)

My understanding of the afterlife is that all people are given spiritual bodies and go on as believers to be with God and the Lord Jesus Christ... I don’t really know what happens to unbelievers other than they are given a spiritual body and are free to roam outside of the kingdom of heaven according to the Revelation 22.

Revelation 22 is the final chapter of the Bible.
When the angel tells John....
“Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, for the appointed time is near. 11 Let the one who is unrighteous continue in unrighteousness, and let the filthy one continue in his filth; but let the righteous one continue in righteousness, and let the holy one continue in holiness.".....it is apparent that when the end times are upon us, (the appointed time) people will be free to continue in the lives that they have chosen. For the ones who want to please God, these will continue to do so, but those who are happy to continue in their "filth", (both physical and spiritual) will do so as well. So these will already have shown God whether they are "sheep" or "goats".
But will people really know what the difference is between one pleasing God and one who is not pleasing him?

At the judgment that Jesus said is coming, he forewarned us all....
"Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"

It takes more than a claim to make one a Christian. Many will receive a devastating rejection despite the fact that they thought that they were disciples of Christ in good standing. Jesus calls them "lawbreakers".....but how can they not know that they are breaking God's law?

My question is do you believe in the afterlife?

I have no belief in an afterlife that requires a spiritual part of humans to live on after death, to inhabit another realm. Humans were never offered a "heaven or hell" scenario......they were only offered either "life or death". (Deuteronomy 30:19)
According to scripture, death is the end of life, not a continuation of it.....so there is no conscious existence after death. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10)

A second question is their judgement going into your afterlife that you believe in?

Since the Bible teaches resurrection, (not immortality of the soul) it means that Jesus will resurrect all the dead by calling them from their graves. (John 5:28-29) He will do this after he cleanses the earth of all wickedness and introduces the rule of God's Kingdom. This will be done by removing all failed human rulership and replacing it with the one we should have had from the beginning. (Daniel 2:44) Some will gain life because of having proven themselves faithful unto death, whilst others who have died, are not seen to have been righteous, but are given a period of re-education and adjustment, able to thereafter prove to God that they are worthy of life.

There is judgement within the context of the Bible for all people after this life.

Those who died in ignorance will indeed be given another chance to prove themselves. That is only fair. If they have never known God, he cannot punish them for their disobedience.
John 15:22...Jesus said....
"If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin. But now they have no excuse for their sin."

Is there judgement that comes when going to afterlife?

Since there is no immediate afterlife, it is only upon a person's resurrection that they are judged.
But this applies only to the dead.....for the living who encounter Jesus as their judge in this world, there will be no excuses accepted. Their ignorance is deliberate in that case, because of what is written in James 4:17.... "Therefore, if someone knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him."

Paul wrote about what will take place when Jesus comes as judge........
"This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you. 7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones". (2 Thessalonians 1:6-10)

Because Jesus has had "the good news of the Kingdom" preached in all the inhabited earth before "the end" comes, (Matthew 24:14) no one will have an excuse to have rejected the message. Theses are the ones who do not know God because they have chosen not to know him and there are those who know, but who do not obey.

The future for obedient mankind is outlined in Revelation 21:3-4....
"With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

Sounds great to me....and I get to stay right here on the earth where God offered us humans everlasting life in the first place.